DICE has since been tirelessly working to rework its real-time raytracing implementation so performance is improved.

SteevoA 2080Ti can do medium settings at 4K 60fps, so they turned down the number or precooked certain things in the new patch.

birdieNVIDIA haters:

NVIDIA sucks.
NVIDIA is ripping everyone off.
NVIDIA is a monopoly.
DXR sucks.
DXR performance sucks.
RTX buyers are alpha testers for DXR/Vulkan RT.

Except, DXR is brand new; currently used in just one game; it's the first implementation ever; we're already seeing impressive gains with just one patch and devs have promised that performance is gonna get even better.

And ... programmable shaders, which are used in close to 100% of modern games, were also first introduced by NVIDIA in 2000 and they have a similar history.

B-Realup to 50% - then there is the frozen lake scene with less than 15% jump. At least with this patch, maybe a 1200$ 2080Ti can push 40-45 fps with Ray Tracing with DXR in 4K. I want to buy 2 of them.


Ye-ye, defend them. That's what you can only do. :D

"Except, DXR is brand new; " That's what green guys did with Vulkan etc. in the case of AMD.

Vayra86They certainly did do things with quality to get here. I haven't seen a single sharp reflection across the whole video. Its a blurry mess. Still a small improvement over non-RT, but only when you look for it. One noticeable aspect is increased DoF on the weapon. You can see this @ 0:43



Even the weapon itself looks like a lower quality version

SrcThey clearly stated that they fixed quality presets, so that means there is also a proper medium setting, not "sharp" ultra also for medium. Ultra looks the same for me.

Vayra86Second screenshot I posted shows ultra vs ultra, and you cannot deny that weapon isn't the same.

GasarakiThanks DICE. When Digital Foundry did an analysis of ray tracing on BF5, I knew patches would be released to fix the performance issues.

ZoneDymoEhhh this should have been done BEFORE launch...

Vayra86Second screenshot I posted shows ultra vs ultra, and you cannot deny that weapon isn't the same.

M2BMaybe they're doing this to make the surface of the weapon more reflective or something? (or make it easier to reflect things on the weapon)

Vayra86What I am seeing is a major reduction in material quality. Definition is sacrificed to make the reflection cheaper to implement. The amount of different surfaces on the weapon is visible lower. The scratches and other wear on the weapon was removed, because it is expensive to bounce rays off of, most likely.

I think we should be aware that this implementation of DXR is a mixed bag of rasterization with an RTRT layer on top. There are two broad ways to implement quality differences: the way you use the rays themselves, and adjustments to the materials they are used on. Lowering model quality will have a positive effect on the RT performance. So while the RT spec may have remained unchanged, the performance is extracted by using lower quality assets underneath.

SteevoSo Nvidia, forcing DICE to make the quality lower to raise it again in a vain attempt to make it look good, now with 50% more of the thing, not the details though, those are extra or only for AMD cards.

"Nvidia, the way its meant to be blurred."

M2BAs Vayra said, In fact they are doing this to make RT implementation less demanding, they don't artificially increase the performance by hurting the rasterization side of things cause it won't work this way.
I mean, with the exact same amount of decrease in the level of detail of matterials you won't see a 50% performance increase WITHOUT ray tracing in use.
but it's impossible to find out how much of an impact those decreases can cuase in the normal rasterization performance.