Super XPFor x86 microprocessor innovations, AMD has shown the way as well.

First superscalar RISC - K5
First to use "Flip-Chip" technology - K6
First on-chip L2 cache - K6-3
First use of copper interconnects - K7
First fully pipelined, superscalar floating point unit - K7
First to extend x86 to 64-bits (AMD64) - K8
First high speed interconnect - Hyper Transport Technology
First On-die DRAM controller
First Dual Core
First Tri Core
First Quad Core
First Six Core
First Octa Core
Etc.............................
Intel was pushing hard to make RDRAM succeed, but AMD also said NO to Rambus Memory and went with DDR which helped it succeed, thanks for AMD's push for it.
On and on and on and on AMD innovates while Intel copies period.

The one thing people fail to understand is Intel can afford to F-up, and they have many times in the past. AMD cannot afford to F-up, and unfortunately they did with Bulldozer. At least they kept it up long enough with various enhancements (Piledriver = Replacing the entire Desktop CPUs) and Steamroller then Excavator just in time for ZEN to get completed. Bulldozer put AMD back many years. This wouldn't be so with Intel. They have a lot more $$$$ to cushion them in extreme times.

Intel gave you x86, x86-32bit, first integrated FPU, AGP, USB, PCIe, Thunderbolt among other things. But you'll see whatever you want to see. Also, to nitpick, it was DEC who actually gave us HyperTransport and K7. AMD bought these (I honestly don't remember if they were finished or work in progress at the time) when DEC went belly up. Of course, AMD still deserves credit for seeing the potential in what DEC was doing and pushing a product past the finish line.
And another reason Intel has fallback options is they're involved other industries as well (flash/X-Point) while AMD is basically CPUs and GPUs.

Super XPOn and on and on and on AMD innovates while Intel copies period.

Both companies innovate and copy what's worth copying.

Super XPAMD’s Navi GPU, the first non-GCN GPU, is ready for launch
AMD Navi - None GCN

Dear god, that site...

@ Super xp :

For x86 microprocessor innovations, AMD has shown the way as well.

(SNIP)

First Dual Core
First Tri Core
First Quad Core
First Six Core
First Octa Core
Etc.............................

...totally forgot about that...how exactly did that thing perform......to google I go....

CrackongYou know they announced it like 5 months ago X370 supports Ryzen 3000 Series just by updating the BIOS.
And the new BIOS is released mid March.

I know, I was just taking a jab a Intel that refuses to follow a similar approach in some sort of endeavor to make sure that every new CPU is sold with a new MB because 'necessary' changes in hardware, or because reasons.

bugIntel gave you x86, x86-32bit, first integrated FPU, AGP, USB, PCIe, Thunderbolt among other things. But you'll see whatever you want to see. Also, to nitpick, it was DEC who actually gave us HyperTransport and K7. AMD bought these (I honestly don't remember if they were finished or work in progress at the time) when DEC went belly up. Of course, AMD still deserves credit for seeing the potential in what DEC was doing and pushing a product past the finish line.
And another reason Intel has fallback options is they're involved other industries as well (flash/X-Point) while AMD is basically CPUs and GPUs.

AMD didn't exist when some of those invented. You cannot count USB, and PCIe as solely innovations of Intel as those were the product the efforts of many companies involved in those projects. Even more so if you want to discount Hypertransport kn AMD's favor. If so, then AMD's list of contributions can further be expanded with many things they co-developed, like Displayport for example.

TotallyI know, I was just taking a jab a Intel that refuses to follow a similar approach in some sort of endeavor to make sure that every new CPU is sold with a new MB because 'necessary' changes in hardware, or because reasons.

Yes, Last time I recall was 4th gen Core CPU, the 4770k will work on a Z77 chipset.
After that they started bundling new CPUs with new chipsets.

CrackongYes, Last time I recall was 4th gen Core CPU, the 4770k will work on a Z77 chipset.
After that they started bundling new CPUs with new chipsets.

No it won't, totally different socket.

5775C and 4770K both work on Z97

Caring1No it won't, totally different socket.

Oh my bad, 4770k works on Z87 and Z97 o_O

It should be 2nd gen Core and 3rd gen Core , they both work on Z68 chipset.

moproblems995775C and 4770K both work on Z97

They're both the same uarch, but on is a process shrink. Tick/Tock. Give me an example where two tocks or ticks are compatible on the same socket. Hint Rzyen 3XXX is not just a die shrink of 1XXX/2XXX.

Well, if they are launched in june like they say, I'll be rocking a new ryzen and possibly a new board too if there's any benefit.

TotallyThey're both the same uarch, but on is a process shrink. Tick/Tock. Give me an example where two tocks or ticks are compatible on the same socket. Hint Rzyen 3XXX is not just a die shrink of 1XXX/2XXX.

Not true, the 5775c has approximately 5% better IPC due to a deeper branch predictor, more instruction cache, and it also has an integrated EDRAM package that counts as a L4 cache, along with an iGPU that is still one of the fastest that Intel ever made. It is definitely more than just a shrink, but it's true that Skylake was the bigger "tock" change after getting to 14 nm. Broadwell is technically a "tick," but it has enough of a difference that it is fair to say that Z97 got a couple different products. Most die shrinks don't have better IPC, they usually just get better clocks. Broadwell is the odd duck that got better IPC, worse clocks, and the oddball cache and iGPU. Also, 4770k was succeeded by the 4790k, which clocked much higher and had better thermal performance. So there are technically 3 different unlocked i7's and 3 different i5's that all worked on the Z97 boards.

The 5775c is pretty rare. Intel never made more than a handful, it was priced pretty high, and it didn't overclock nearly as well as Haswell or Skylake. But I love mine because the L4 cache does help with minimum frame times in games a bit and even at 4.2 GHz, I'm still only pulling 85 W for the processor. Perfect for my SFFPC.

ensabrenoir@ Super xp :

For x86 microprocessor innovations, AMD has shown the way as well.

(SNIP)

First Dual Core
First Tri Core
First Quad Core
First Six Core
First Octa Core
Etc.............................

...totally forgot about that...how exactly did that thing perform......to google I go....

The point was AMD pushed forward 64-Bitness and multi-core CPUs, at the same time Intel kept on saying useless nobody needs multi-cores CPUs nor 64-Bitness lol

bugIntel gave you x86, x86-32bit, first integrated FPU, AGP, USB, PCIe, Thunderbolt among other things. But you'll see whatever you want to see. Also, to nitpick, it was DEC who actually gave us HyperTransport and K7. AMD bought these (I honestly don't remember if they were finished or work in progress at the time) when DEC went belly up. Of course, AMD still deserves credit for seeing the potential in what DEC was doing and pushing a product past the finish line.
And another reason Intel has fallback options is they're involved other industries as well (flash/X-Point) while AMD is basically CPUs and GPUs.

HyperTransport technology was invented at AMD with contributions from industry partners and is managed and licensed by the HyperTransport Technology Consortium.
Based on HTTC.

Both companies innovate to a certain extent. My original point was Intel can afford to mess up, AMD cannot. Bulldozer was a perfect example of this.

from RTG, with a technical reveal or unveiling of Radeon "Navi," the company's first GPU designed from the ground up for the 7 nm silicon fabrication
process.




PLEASE LEARN TO READ PEOPLE.... DESIGNED FROM THE GROUND UP>>>>>

and it the origonal ATi GPU Engenneer Working on NAVI for ONE???? READ UP on ATI before AMD BOUGHT THEM??

Hold your horses. All we know for sure is that it is a GPU, it's on 7nm, and it's being revealed in June. Everything else is rumor.

"From the ground up" isn't a philosophy that really works post-D3D10 (unified shader model).

FordGT90ConceptHold your horses. All we know for sure is that it is a GPU, it's on 7nm, and it's being revealed in June. Everything else is rumor.

Not true. We also know it's designed by AMD, will use transistors and it will be made with silicon :D

(Is this the most useless post ever?)

bugNot true. We also know it's designed by AMD, will use transistors and it will be made with silicon :D

(Is this the most useless post ever?)

No, this was all fact. Unlike 90 of other posts.

moproblems99No, this was all fact. Unlike 90 of other posts.

We actually need a news section written entirely like this.

'AMD will unveil products soon, it will be hardware'

FordGT90ConceptHold your horses. All we know for sure is that it is a GPU, it's on 7nm, and it's being revealed in June. Everything else is rumor.

You can't fault people for getting a little antsy about an upcoming GPU release.
I'm a little intrigued by the rumors floating around. They may turn out to be BS, but I'm hoping that they're not.
All that I know for sure is that AMD is gunning for NVIDIA (GPUs) and Intel (CPUs) and with Lisa Su at the helm, they have a chance to disrupt the market.
This would be what I want to see more than anything.

I'm waiting for the gold plated CEO edition with Phase change to beat the Titan edition :p :laugh: