cucker tarlsonthat's good and all.
but if you were really searching for value you'd wait for the custom 5700xt really.Nothing is beating that in perf/dollar until rx6000 and rtx3000 arrives.

Ive been paying particular attention to the 5700xt, especially now ekwb have released a water block for it, just not sure it offers enough of a performance boost over my 1080 to make the purchase viable.

lexluthermiesterIt's not always a foolish choice either.

of course it isn't.it's a thing ppl say when they just wanna be mean cause they think they're smarter with money than you by saving on what they otherwise would like to have but don't buy it for principle.
I got s2716gd in 2015 for 2300pln,a non-gsync 1440p 144hz cost 1600pln.700 pln for using g-sync/ulmb for years ? would be stupid not to get it just for the principle of not paying nvidia,especially when the cards I buy cost 4 times that.

cucker tarlsonof course it isn't.it's a thing ppl say when they just wanna be mean cause they think they're smarter with money than you by saving on what they otherwise would like to have but don't buy it for principle.
I got s2716gd in 2015 for 2300pln,a non-gsync 1440p 144hz cost 1600pln.700 pln for using g-sync/ulmb for years ? would be stupid not to get it just for the principle of not paying nvidia,especially when the cards I buy cost 4 times that.

That's ego and self-esteem.

PaddieMayneIve been paying particular attention to the 5700xt, especially now ekwb have released a water block for it, just not sure it offers enough of a performance boost over my 1080 to make the purchase viable.

2070 super or higher.but 1080s suck in value now so that'd cost you a lot.May wanna wait for rx5800 if that's even coming.

lexluthermiesterIt's not always a foolish choice either.

It's never a foolish choice (unless your kids go hungry because you bought a new shiny).

bugIt's never a foolish choice (unless your kids go hungry because you bought a new shiny).

that's why I always smirk when ppl use the term "price gouging" in relation to gpus.sounds silly when applied by grown men on an internet forum complaining about toys.

bugIt's never a foolish choice (unless your kids go hungry because you bought a new shiny).

I know from experience that one can be made to feel quite foolish after the fact - see GTX Titan vs 780 Ti... :twitch:

ltkAlphaI know from experience that one can be made to feel quite foolish after the fact - see GTX Titan vs 780 Ti... :twitch:

well,look at it this way - you had one screwup but then learned for the future.

ltkAlphaI know from experience that one can be made to feel quite foolish after the fact - see GTX Titan vs 780 Ti... :twitch:

People can be surprised by a lot of things. Similar products hitting the market at a better price point when you're adopting early shouldn't be one of them.

If you care about your investment (like I do), you buy into the mainstream. That way it's easier to tell what you're getting, when and how long that will last you. It's not bulletproof, but it works most of the time.

cucker tarlsonwell,in principle yes,in practice no.
outside great value mid-range cards amd has been offering same performance as nvidia a year before,and even then nvidia adjusted prices (e,g, 1070ti) to one up them.


their launch schedule is set up so that they sell as many as they possibly can,including new skus at new price points.
there's always something new coming.all that matters is value at the point when you buy it.

In principle = in practice, there is no distinction. So what if Nvidia undercuts the competition a little bit, that was not the point. The point is, you are at their mercy for a much greater degree than you should want, because any purchase of a GPU also affects your experience with other components (that you also paid a fat Gsync tax for, btw).

Consider RTX. If you want a high end card, but really don't support the whole RTRT push, what choice do you have? You can pick up a Navi, and you're out of RTRT (good) but you're also losing already paid for Gsync. The end result is that you lost an important part of your influence as a consumer. And that influence, the power to buy what we want free of 'side effects', is what you lose with a vendor lock-in. You're becoming a slave to the brand with every bit you add within the same ecosystem. Is that worth saving a few bucks here and there that you already paid ten times over with the Gsync purchase?

Its just simply never good to limit your freedom like that. The current cloud gaming push is another one just like it. You get tied to a subscription that 'increases in value over time', at least in your mind, but the moment you stop paying, all is lost. End result: you are more likely to remain subbed, even if the service has very little to offer at a certain point in time. Gaming is going to be an investment of time and you create save games tied to a service. You will not want to lose the investment... even though it has running costs. Its okay if that's about one isolated game. But the moment you build a service that puts (access to) a lot of games together, there is a problem.

Its all more of the same and despite how good the deal might look initially, at one point you will bump into the company's long term strategy and for many, that is when the penny finally drops. See the post I initially responded to.

My advice is: just do not start, because by doing that you force companies to find a different model. This whole Gsync / FreeSync affair is the perfect example. Why do you think Nvidia started testing on FreeSync monitors? Because people ain't buying that overpriced crap. Whether the end goal is 're-promoting' Gsync as the ultimate solution or just damage control for the GPUs, the point stands: if Gsync sold fantastically, we would not be seeing this.

cucker tarlsonthat's why I always smirk when ppl use the term "price gouging" in relation to gpus.sounds silly when applied by grown men on an internet forum complaining about toys.

With all luxury items really, 'price gouging' translates perfectly to 'I cannot control my urge to buy, even though the deal is obviously shit'

I largely agree, but let's not overstate things - yes, I'm a bit worried that I may have to pay the RT tax next cycle or whenever I decide to pull the trigger, but there is value to be had on Nvidia's side of the market as well.

ltkAlphaI largely agree, but let's not overstate things - yes, I'm a bit worried that I may have to pay the RT tax next cycle or whenever I decide to pull the trigger, but there is value to be had on Nvidia's side of the market as well.

Good point, and it also does not detract from the advantages of Gsync. Its a personal question what you value more, but always good to be conscious about these things and especially the slippery slope part of it.

Vayra86Consider RTX. If you want a high end card, but really don't support the whole RTRT push, what choice do you have? You can pick up a Navi

no one forces you to buy from one company only,but if nvidia were crap no one would pay for g-sync.last time I checked tho they've got a card in every possible segment,so IF you need to make a choice,then it's better to go with nvidia from a practical point of view - they have a sku every $40.

I get why you call it overpriced (though I disagree) but why crap ? it has a wider operating range than freesync and ulmb.is it really crap? isn't strobing what you paid premium for but now call ppl out ? or are you just being mean like I mentioned before for no real reason.I don't like current hdr monitors,I don't bash people who buy one.


and why is buying nvidia always so bad compared to buying amd ? I would much rather support a pc gaming oriented company than the one that mainly does consoles and has been putting hpc over gaming cards lately.

looks like a rant to me,confirmed by the picture.

cucker tarlsonOh yes.
That benchmark is basically for comparing nv cards only.

actually, we can't even use it for that. I have seen it fluctuate hundreds of points on back to back to back runs. The one and only thing this can be used for is if you are thinking of playing the game and want to see how the game looks/runs in real time on your system. We can't use it for direct comparison even on the exact same pc because the 'benchmark' is not a fixed, repeating run. Each run varies from the next-- from camera angels, number of people/objects on screen, pathing that the models are running, etc. It is good (in it's intended purpose) for fact that you are getting npc AI included in the workload as you would while playing the game (as opposed to a canned benchmark that graphically paths exactly the same every single time, to provide repeatable scores) but only for the sake of seeing how well you can expect it to generally run on your given system.

cucker tarlsonno one forces you to buy from one company only,but if nvidia were crap no one would pay for g-sync.last time I checked tho they've got a card in every possible segment,so IF you need to make a choice,then it's better to go with nvidia from a practical point of view - they have a sku every $40.

I get why you call it overpriced (though I disagree) but why crap ? it has a wider operating range than freesync and ulmb.is it really crap? isn't strobing what you paid premium for but now call ppl out ? or are you just being mean like I mentioned before for no real reason.I don't like current hdr monitors,I don't bash people who buy one.


and why is buying nvidia always so bad compared to buying amd ? I would much rather support a pc gaming oriented company than the one that mainly does consoles and has been putting hpc over gaming cards lately.

looks like a rant to me,confirmed by the picture.

That's the essence you got from it? That the word 'crap' is in a place that doesn't suit your pov? I think I'm being clear its not the individual qualities of Gsync or certain cards being available that I am talking about. Its also NOT about the idea that you should be going for FreeSync or how it compares, hell I never even mentioned that at all. I also add other examples outside of the Nvidia/AMD choice to stress that. Maybe you oughta open up a bit to see that... The story is about the problems a vendor-lock in brings, no more and no less, in response to a person saying he hit exactly that same wall in practice...

And a post later, I am saying its a personal choice. 'Bash people who buy one'... man... I thought you weren't a snowflake? Dafuq happened ? 'Why is buying Nvidia so bad' you say... as if I'm now heavily pro AMD? Or what are you implying? Last I checked I'm still rolling with green...

And then you top it off with a remark about my avatar. Did you look carefully at it, and how do you interpret that, I don't follow how you arrive at that conclusion at all.

Vayra86That's the essence you got from it? I think I'm being clear its not the individual qualities of Gsync or certain cards being available that I am talking about. I also add other examples outside of the Nvidia/AMD choice to stress that. Maybe you oughta open up a bit to see that...

And a post later, I am saying its a personal choice. 'Bash people who buy one'... man... I thought you weren't a snowflake? Dafuq happened

I'm too old for overthinking anything.I buy what I want if I have the money,don't care for broad context.

cucker tarlsonI'm too old for overthinking anything.I buy what I want if I have the money,don't care for broad context.

Right. Thanks for contributing, I suppose?

Vayra86Right. Thanks for contributing, I suppose?

forgot what the topic was anyway,but I'm sure it wasn't the rights or wrongs of buying g-sync too.

cucker tarlsonforgot what the topic was anyway,but I'm sure it wasn't the rights or wrongs of buying g-sync too.

Then scroll up? :D

Vendor lock-in. And if you feel Nvidia has your best interests at heart, by all means, keep investing in every lock-in they devise. Gsync is one of them, and that is what I touched on. No more, no less, and you may or may not like it, but you can have a quick look at Apple to see where the lock-in story goes - in terms of price (market leader), feature parity with competitors (they are behind the curve now) and how well other devices work with them/the versatility of the device itself.

Nvidia however does not own a mere 10% of the market like Apple does, but rather, 80%. In other words, everything you buy into is one less chance for competition to thrive - and that includes new competitors like Intel. I do agree with you though, right now, the best cards and strongest push for PC gaming is coming from Nvidia. But when Nvidia drops the ball, rest assured it gets picked up by another. You won't miss a thing and trust me they don't need your 'support'. Speaking of broad context...

cucker tarlson2070s and 2060s both 14% faster than their regular versions but this looks like 10% tops.Performance-wise it's still not enough for 1080Ti owners to upgrade.

Ya, you nailed it. And the 2080 Ti is so ridiculously overpriced that I won't consider it at its current pricepoint, either. I've been ready to upgrade for about 18 months now but I feel like I don't have a viable upgrade path unless I'm willing to bend over and get fisted by NVidia. So I'm still waiting on the 3000 series or Intel's Xe.

I've overclocked my 2080 Ti to a very stable performance which now beats the TITAN RTX @ 1440p

Check link below:

kwazyivanI've overclocked my 2080 Ti to a very stable performance which now beats the TITAN RTX @ 1440p

Check link below:

I did ok then?

kwazyivanI've overclocked my 2080 Ti to a very stable performance which now beats the TITAN RTX @ 1440p

Check link below:

That's an impressive performance. Nice OC!

cucker tarlson2070 super or higher.but 1080s suck in value now so that'd cost you a lot.May wanna wait for rx5800 if that's even coming.

Well either way it will be an outright purchase as the 1080 like all my old cards get passed down to my son :)

First review (that I noticed) out !


Not bad actually !
This is what 2080 should have been last year...