I'm a PC Gamer OC guy....

Just did a a 8700K for 9900KS swop out on my Z390. Nothing is touching the 9900KS gaming performance from AMD 2019.

Most likely skip first generation LGA 1200 socket PCIe 4.0 boards and wait for real next generation Intel MeteorLake CPUs on PCIe 5.0 boards in 2022, let's see if Intel keeps the LGA 1200 for there up coming 7nm. (LGA 1200 V2)?

PCIe 4.0 suppose to be short lived only two years before PCIe 5.0 then another two years till PCIe 6.0

Intel going to change LGA accordingly to next generation bandwidth.

It's great if Intel keeps the same Socket cooling configuration for next generation LGA and its definitely a plus for all of us OCing REAL performance RIG builders!

notbWell, you love pointing out that Intel changes sockets all the time, but the simple fact is: compatible coolers is a decent perk.
People change motherboards anyway for features. Changing heatsinks only makes sense when you drop them.

There's a high chance that an expensive Intel cooler bought a decade ago would work with all consumer Intel platforms released until now (both mainstream and HEDT) and - as it seems likely - will continue to work with next gen mainstream socket (HEDT very unlikely though).

Given that high-end coolers cost very nearly as much as motherboards, this is not something an intelligent person would mock.

Exactly. In 2009 (when LGA1156 came out) there was already excellent coolers, so that's great that people can still use those, if the fan can be changed. 10 years is a long time for a fan to be as good as a new one :)

notbWell, you love pointing out that Intel changes sockets all the time, but the simple fact is: compatible coolers is a decent perk.
People change motherboards anyway for features. Changing heatsinks only makes sense when you drop them.

There's a high chance that an expensive Intel cooler bought a decade ago would work with all consumer Intel platforms released until now (both mainstream and HEDT) and - as it seems likely - will continue to work with next gen mainstream socket (HEDT very unlikely though).


Given that high-end coolers cost very nearly as much as motherboards, this is not something an intelligent person would mock.

Who gives a sh@t! Big whoop dee doo! AMD Coolers are compatable all the way back to skt 754/939 so.....whatever!

What really matters is exactly what Flanker said below, but nice try again as always in every Intel/AMD thread trying to make Intel look good.

FlankerCooler compatibility is a start. Not having to replace the whole bloody motherboard for marginal performance increase is what we are looking for.

But having to replace the cpu for the increase that you find too compelling but the resale value for 2700 is ridiculous, somehow makes more sense. Better just keep it as a keychain holder. At least the motherboard can be flipped with the cpu if decent and start fresh.

New socket layouts and designs are done merely to force consumers to upgrade. Technically speaking, it is easy to design a socket that can be used with multiple technical iterations. We do not need a new socket every few months, we do not need a new socket for every product.

AerpoweronIf these new pins are only for the Wifi 6 which was added with LGA 1200, we could theoretically run LGA 1200 CPUs on LGA 1151 boards.

I'm going to guess, just like with the last generation of motherboard changes, the extra pins are going to be mostly for power delivery.

i wish the chip was a little bigger honestly, more performance vs smaller size is all i want. i will be retiring from the pc gaming world with ryzen 4900x though most likely, so meh. maybe in 2033 i will upgrade, something tells me stagnation is coming though as far as performance gains.

Melvis:laugh: This is just funny.

Compatible with older....... coolers, classic!

I know right....hilarious.

didnt Intel announce a new socket a couple weeks ago?:rolleyes:

TBH I think they screwed up letting older coolers work on this new socket, I mean its not traditional for Intel to have a new socket and chip and not require a new cooler mount too. :D :rolleyes:

lynx29i wish the chip was a little bigger honestly, more performance vs smaller size is all i want. i will be retiring from the pc gaming world with ryzen 4900x though most likely, so meh. maybe in 2033 i will upgrade, something tells me stagnation is coming though as far as performance gains.

Intel "Meteor Lake" is coming! Brand new Architecture. (PCIe 5.0)

Think of it as if AMD was the dinosaurs! You know the rest of the story.

As for 2033 that's the Second Coming!

Isn't Meteor Lake still a Skylake refresh? That means we get the same crappy architecture overburdened with security holes and patches that reduce performance...

efikkanThere is no difference in needing to reinstall drivers with CPU swaps between Intel and AMD.

While I like the idea of motherboard support that spans many years, the way stuff works today it's more a fantasy than reality. Even with AM4 where the theoretical support from AMD is there (with a few exceptions), they should advertise the support with huge asterisks. It's really up to the motherboard markers to add and maintain support for CPU types and features in their BIOSes.

Motherboard makers don't really maintain their products for more than 1-2 years, except for occasional bugfixes, which often tend to break more things than they fix. They push out dozens of new motherboards each year, and by the time the new series is out, the old one is not actively maintained any more. Even when they roll out a new BIOS, they don't really test that many hardware configurations at all.
I would much rather want a motherboard that guarantees proper support for at least 3 years, then perhaps we can talk about adding support across multiple CPU generations.

However, when you swap to a brand new intel cpu, you may need to upgrade the motherboard. That was the logic I mean, where you could have any AM4 motherboard, and in order to upgrade the CPU, drivers would never need to be part of the equation because you could keep your motherboard. With intel, you had a 6700K? “LOL get a new motherboard” - Intel. Basically, with amd, all you need is an AM4 chip and ur good. With intel, ur always going to need to change the motherboard if u go past 2 generations (LGA2066 happens to be 3). So yes, intel is SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive to upgrade than AMD.

hatIsn't Meteor Lake still a Skylake refresh? That means we get the same crappy architecture overburdened with security holes and patches that reduce performance...

i9-9900KS by the way was Intel first from factory hardware security fixed CPU.

No its not old Architecture....
It's finally brand new Architecture!

Intel Meteor Lake is 7nm from a brand new factory called Fab42

Fab42 was reviewed by TRUMP first thing in office. Intel spent $7+ Billion side on this project building secret 7nm. Unfortunately have to wait until 2022. The first 7nm CPUs are expected to be 5x Coffee Lake Refresh (i9-9900KS) performance. "500%" and expected new IPC stacked CPU design with upto 32 Cores on PCIe 5.0 bus bandwidth.

It will be going against AMD 6000 series (Zen 5 on 3nm)

Intel Fab42 7nm is 5nm ready and will be moving from PCIe 5.0 to PCIe 6.0 quickly with in 3 years. So 7nm, 7nm+, 7nm++ tradition translation before 5nm. Then the ultimate goal of 1.4nm

The biggest question is the new LGA 1200 socket will be reused for Meteor Lake? Or typical standard two years.

Berfs1However, when you swap to a brand new intel cpu, you may need to upgrade the motherboard. That was the logic I mean, where you could have any AM4 motherboard, and in order to upgrade the CPU, drivers would never need to be part of the equation because you could keep your motherboard. With intel, you had a 6700K? “LOL get a new motherboard” - Intel. Basically, with amd, all you need is an AM4 chip and ur good. With intel, ur always going to need to change the motherboard if u go past 2 generations (LGA2066 happens to be 3). So yes, intel is SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive to upgrade than AMD.

Unfortunately for you and the rest of the fan base Zen 5 is on a different Socket.... So all of you buying Zen 2 (3000) & Zen 3 (4000) series, the new Zen 4 (5000) series is expected new AM5 socket. So no future two years upgrade swop out plan!

So intel went from Tik Tok, to tik tik tik tik.

cyneaterSo intel went from Tik Tok, to tik tik tik tik.

Tik, tik, tik, tik... boom! :laugh:

notbWell, you love pointing out that Intel changes sockets all the time, but the simple fact is: compatible coolers is a decent perk.

Having in count how much of a dumpster fire Intel has been since AMD came back guns ablaze and all the microcode patching for bugs, it would have been nice of them of either giving their users some more leeway. They still act like the last 2 years didn't happen, and frankly, cooler compatibility doesn't make up for it.

I thought at some point they would show some decency but their prices are still ridiculous and think people will buy their new cpus with new mobos like nothing happened. Fuck them.

Yeah... I'm all for cooler compatibility, but that should already be standard... not a bonus. Neither Intel nor AMD is giving us anything here by letting us keep our existing coolers. That said, I don't think this news piece is supposed to read like that, either. It's just something somebody noticed.

It makes sense for Intel to keep the mounting holes the same, as well. Now they don't have to change cooler designs, they can keep using the same aluminum coasters.