Sunday, May 3rd 2020

Intel Teases "Big Daddy" Xe-HP GPU

The Intel Graphics Twitter account was on fire today, because they posted an update on the development of the Xe graphics processor, mentioning that samples are ready and packed up in quite an interesting package. The processor in question was discovered to be a Xe-HP GPU variant with an estimated die size of 3700 mm², which means we sure are talking about a multi-chip package here. How we concluded that it is the Xe-HP GPU, is by words of Raja Koduri, senior vice president, chief architect, general manager for Architecture, Graphics, and Software at Intel. He made a tweet, which was later deleted, that says this processor is a "baap of all", meaning "big daddy of them all" when translated from Hindi.

Mr. Koduri previously tweeted a photo of the Intel Graphics team at India, which has been working on the same "baap of all" GPU, which suggests this is a Xe-HP chip. It seems that this is not the version of the GPU made for HPC workloads (this is reserved for the Xe-HPC GPU), this model could be a direct competitor to offers like NVIDIA Quadro or AMD Radeon Pro. We can't wait to learn more about Intel's Xe GPUs, so stay tuned. Mr. Koduri has confirmed that this GPU will be used only for Data Centric applications as it is needed to "keep up with the data we are generating". He has also added that the focus for gaming GPUs is to start off with better integrated GPUs and low power chips above that, that could reach millions of users. That will be a good beginning as that will enable software preparation for possible high-performance GPUs in future.

Update May 2: changed "father" to "big daddy", as that's the better translation for "baap".
Update 2, May 3rd: The GPU is confirmed to be a Data Center component.
Sources: VideoCardz (original), VideoCardz (update)
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68 Comments on Intel Teases "Big Daddy" Xe-HP GPU

#51
Ravenmaster
The question is - can it hold a candle to the RTX 2080Ti. It needs to be able to beat the best to get noticed.
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#52
Gmr_Chick
ARF8K and 16K are coming.

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www.theverge.com/2020/4/30/21242445/vesa-displayport-alt-mode-2-0-usb-4-4k-144hz-hdr-8k-16k-displays
8K and 16K? Jesus, most cards struggle with 4K right now, so maybe we should work on that first before working on the fantasy that is 8K and 16K. Besides that, WTF would even be the point of 8K and 16K besides the e-peen bragging rights?
RavenmasterThe question is - can it hold a candle to the RTX 2080Ti. It needs to be able to beat the best to get noticed.
The short answer to that is...HELL NO. This thing doesn't even technically exist, and there's no guarantee it ever will in any shape or form, either professional or consumer.

So until then, long live the king.
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#53
TheoneandonlyMrK
john_Well,... I wasn't expecting people to take that post - with the picture - so seriously and not as a fun post.
As for comparison of architectures, in efficiency at least, Nvidia is still (far) ahead of AMD. In my opinion, it's a fact. We probably disagree here, but anyway.
Until rDNA that was totally true 2 and next generation Nvidia should be similar , this will double them.
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#54
R0H1T
btarunrLittle Hindi translation help here. While "baap" literally means "father," in vernacular terms it means "big daddy."

Eg: "Threadripper Core i7 ka baap hain" means "Threadripper is Core i7's big daddy" (something vastly superior).
Nope ~ Baap still means Daddy, baade baap implies big Daddy. In essence baap is not used in a respectful manner here, though Daddy or Dad can be used to portray affection & the term for that in hindi is Bapu.
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#55
yeeeeman
silentbogoLooks like yet another iteration on Xeon Phi, only now in oversized LGA form-factor.
We know how well that went for Intel last time.
Xeon phi was a multi core atom chip.
This is a GPU. Totally different beast.
theoneandonlymrkUntil rDNA that was totally true 2 and next generation Nvidia should be similar , this will double them.
Turing is still better than rdna on an older node. Rdna 2 will close the gap, but too late cause ampere will widen it again. TBH, AMD is pretty lame with gpus
Gmr_ChickThe short answer to that is...HELL NO. This thing doesn't even technically exist
You do see it here so it does exist. This is a workstation gpu, not a consumer gaming gpu. If one of the chiplets has 512eus, than one chiplet is close to rtx2080ti (10+ tflops)
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#56
silentbogo
yeeeemanXeon phi was a multi core atom chip.
This is a GPU. Totally different beast.
Xeon Phi is a compute accelerator, and whatever this is, also a compute accelerator.
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#57
voltage
I'll pass and refrain from the sophomoric Intel bashing like amd "fan boys" are so happy to dish out, I look forward to Intel's GPU, it's about time for something Different.
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#58
ZoneDymo
RavenmasterThe question is - can it hold a candle to the RTX 2080Ti. It needs to be able to beat the best to get noticed.
odd opinion, if it can match an RTX2060 / rx5700 in performance for 230 dollars it would get noticed just fine by plenty.
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#61
AnarchoPrimitiv
yeeeemanXeon phi was a multi core atom chip.
This is a GPU. Totally different beast.


Turing is still better than rdna on an older node. Rdna 2 will close the gap, but too late cause ampere will widen it again. TBH, AMD is pretty lame with gpus


You do see it here so it does exist. This is a workstation gpu, not a consumer gaming gpu. If one of the chiplets has 512eus, than one chiplet is close to rtx2080ti (10+ tflops)
"AMD is pretty lame with GPUs"

Why is it that people expect AMD with a far, far, far smaller budget to compete with Nvidia? Not only does Nvidia have a bigger budget, but we know it's also pulling stuff like the GeForce partner program and other unhanded forms of "marketing" (just like Intel who was convicted of Bribing OEMs to such an extant that even if AMD were to give them free chips, they still claimed theyd lose money". I'm not saying that definitely something nefarious is going on, but it'd be pretty naive to think it's impossible, just based on Nvidia's past precedent of doing this exact stuff.

It's just like the double standard with pricing.... Nvidia gouged with its RTX line, but as soon as Navi was priced similarly due to similar performance, everyone cried murder. Somehow people think telheyre entitled to cheap as dirt GPUs from AMD, but Nvidia can price however they want

And then of course, I can't stand hearing the people wishing that AMD was more competitive and blaming AMD for not being more competitive. Well, the undeniable fact is that in the past, like in the late 2000s, even when AMD had a far better GPU at a better price, you computer enthusiasts STILL bought more Nvidia, and that has basically happened every time AMD has a better product and if you think that's crazy, just look at Ryzen 4000 for mobile, clearly a better product, but will it outsell the competing Intel chip (even if it wins an equal amount of OEM designs) ? Most likely not. Basically what I'm saying is, no one really has a right to blame AMD, because even when they gave you exactly what you claimed you wanted... You STILL didn't buy it. As long as there are consumers out there that DON'T take the literal 5 minutes to Google some reviews and just trust what idiots on the internet say or the uninformed Best Buy salesmen, Nvidia will always outsell AMD, and Intel too for that matter. it's really frustrating to me because I won't even buy a $40 piece of electronics without doing as much research as possible to be absolutely sure I'm making the best possible purchase, so I don't understand how any consumer can buy computer hardware that costs multiple hundreds of dollars, without doing the same... And yet the vast majority do. As long as Nvidia and Intel can depend on the willful ignorance of consumers, it doesn't matter out much AMD's products outperform them... They just never win

*I'm not an AMD fan, my motivation for these statements is a desire to ensure that people know the true history behind this subject, because I'm sure most of them think that Nvidia has the market share because they always had better products, which is not true at all. Marketing is why they have the most market share, that's the only way to make sense out of the fact that even when AMD had better products for less, people still didn't buy them.
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#62
EarthDog
AnarchoPrimitivIt's just like the double standard with pricing.... Nvidia gouged with its RTX line, but as soon as Navi was priced similarly due to similar performance, everyone cried murder. Somehow people think telheyre entitled to cheap as dirt GPUs from AMD, but Nvidia can price however they want
People most certainly "cried murder" on RTX cards...

I'll leave the rest of this curious rant alone. :)
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#63
Decryptor009
I am interested in Intel's GPU offerings, but i am uncertain of how they can pull it off, i guess time will tell.
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#64
TheoneandonlyMrK
Decryptor009I am interested in Intel's GPU offerings, but i am uncertain of how they can pull it off, i guess time will tell.
Well it will be smaller and considerably less potent then this but should put all in the market to task ie AMD and Nvidia ,in that they will be forced to compete with a marketing behemoth, even Nvidia's propoganda department haven't seen the likes of what will hopefully come.

AMD hasn't the pr or marketing or money to compete with Nvidia successfully, but that's going to change too.

They're all going to have to draw deep from their innovation stores to get and remain competitive.
Good times.
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#65
de.das.dude
Pro Indian Modder
looks like they are using AMD Glue TM
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#66
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
R0H1TNope ~ Baap still means Daddy, baade baap implies big Daddy. In essence baap is not used in a respectful manner here, though Daddy or Dad can be used to portray affection & the term for that in hindi is Bapu.
Nope, baap in vernacular is slang for big daddy. Hindi is my first language, and I went to a Kendriya Vidyalaya, with >90% in both CBSE English and Hindi. And anyone who goes to a KV is a gentleman scholar in Hindi slangs and abuses.

Hindi slangs are very context-based. The one Koduri was referring to is "x is the biggest of them all," or "the baap of all silicon." Therefore he meant "big daddy." (an extreme value).
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#67
stimpy88
More smoke and mirrors BS from our man in India.

I was only thinking the other day that it’s been a while since we had some fresh BS from Intels GFX department.
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#68
svan71
does the "Big Daddy" refer too the 14nm +++++++ silicon ?
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