This is mediocre and embarrassing. If they atleast had the decency to support a single platform for 4 years maybe this would be worth it with previous socket. But of course new socket so add easily 150$ for a 10900k build. At that point i would objectively wait for next zen generation.

ppntry 10700K, at 409,99 price is a steal.
Zen3 will be losing in the future, compared to 5 and 3nm with triple transistor densities, it is always useless to argue power consumption and performance,. it is going to lose sooner than you think.

Why is Zen3 losing in the future when we already know that OEMs are reporting 20%+ IPC improvements, that moving to 7nm EUV will gain 200-300Mhz in the clocks (possibly allowing Zen3's boost frequency to hit 5.0Ghz and basically taking away Intel's last, albeit pointless, source of pride), and that the amount of cores per CCX is going to be doubled. We know from the reviews of the 3100 vs 3300x that the two vs one CCX topology respectively equated to an approximate 12% overall performance increase. With Zen 3 doubling the cores per CCX, there's every reason to believe that this performance boost will help Zen3 in ADDITION to the 20+% IPC increase.

So with the 20% IPC increase, the 200-300Mhz boost in clocks, and the doubling of cores per CCX, Zen3 could very well result in core for core performance gains vs Zen2 in the area of 30+%! When it comes to rocket lake, we know there will be new core architecture, but the same old 14nm process. I seriously doubt this will result in better performance gains than Zen3. It was just leaked that OEMs testing early samples of Zen3 believe that not only will Zen3 maintain multicore application dominance, but that Zen3 might take the gaming performance crown as well..... Knowing all of that, I don't see how it's possible for you to believe Zen3 will be defeated by whatever intel squirts out

Extra electric bill from those power consumption???
Or it is only matter when AMD's GPU/CPU cause it.

VarioYes, in my experience the 9900K gets really hot at stock parameters on a large aircooler (PHTC14PE).

The TPU review didn't give me that impression but I'll take your word for it.

dj-electricITT: people who assume how hot the 10900K actually is to handle.

14nm is 14nm, then add 2 more core with higher boost, i pretty sure everyone can agree the lower your temp the better boost/sustain boost.

it doesn't take a rocket scientist to at least recognize this cpu gonna run hotter that 9900ks

This is the true successor the original Pentium 4 D :D

KarymidoNI recently assembled my first custom Liquid Loop and boy is it pretty, yeah. Is it cool, yeah. But is it a pain in the ass o maintain? Hell yeah.
Even tho i added drain ports and designed it to be easy to clean, its so much pain to keep it running that, i'm not even 6 months in it and i'm already looking for reasons to go back to a more lazy solution.

Sorry if that's offtopic but besides having to drain it once a year or even less often I am not having any work with it at all. Just runs and runs. But I am using soft tubing and clear cooling liquid.

Anyway, I did order a 10900k but still not sure if I might cancel it and wait rather for Zen 3.

phanbueyThis is the true successor the original Pentium 4 D :D

It is starting to look like those Netburst days, do less with a lot more!

Lokran88Anyway, I did order a 10900k but still not sure if I might cancel it and wait rather for Zen 3.

What do you have right now? Don't you want to wait for some reviews?

phanbuey.
And... the crazy thing is that it's the 3900x - the 4900x is around the corner so if the 10900k is already just barely competing with the 3900x it will get destroyed lol.

beating a dead horse is still Beating...
Damn Intel needs a die shrink right now. I can’t wait for new Zen to come out and see intel drop their price to compete.

MatsThe TPU review didn't give me that impression but I'll take your word for it.

To simulate a worst case scenario, when I built that machine, I turned on Prime 95 with entirely stock out of the box settings, I hit 110C.

john_I think you are wrong here. There are plenty who will buy the best CPU and then try to cut costs from other parts (mobo, PSU, etc....).

Also let's be a little logical here and don't expect the other person to explain the obvious. When I am saying about average consumer, I am not talking about the whole market, from Celerons to Threadrippers, I am talking about those who will buy that CPU. Maybe I should say "the average buyer of that CPU", but even then you could argue that the average buyer of that CPU has a masters degree in CPU cooling, overclocking, memory optimizations....

Your contradictory.

He means the actual average user , so he is right.

Your , average buyer of this chip knows what's what point, might be right.

But the Average user isn't him or her.

The average user buys a little below what they actually need typically and the mainstream doesn't start at i5 for no reason, this is a i9! It's too expensive for 90%+ out there.

Will just leave this here.

MatsNot very likely, since Comet is on a different socket. Remember what happened to 8700K prices when 9900K came?

Nothing.
geizhals.eu/intel-core-i7-8700k-bx80684i78700k-a1685281.html?hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=eu&hloc=pl&hloc=uk

Exactly. The most powerful CPU you can fit in an older socket always goes up in price.

I sold my 4790 (Wasn't even a K-model) for more than I bought it for new, because to someone with an S1150 i3 machine they get a huge upgrade without having to spend even more on a new motherboard and different RAM as well. That convenience massively increases the resale value of any high-end processor on a retired socket type.

How cute, I9 10900K can almost beat zen 2 while warming up your house and set your power meter on overwork. No thanks, while It reaches impressive coreclock, it is still based on way to old tech (14nm), power hungry and running hot as he'll.

I think I will wait for zen 3 and see what it can do. I've been on X58 for 11 years now, so I can properly manage to wait a few more months before an upgrade and see what will come.

How many of Intel's huge list of security vulnerabilities have been hardware-patched in Comet Lake?

I get the impression that vulnerabilities in the recycled Skylake architecture are being discovered at twice or even three times the rate that Intel can patch them in software, let alone hardware mitigations that are always at least 18 months behind the curve just because of the lenghty process between tapeout and a shipped product.

3900X: $410 with less power consumption
10900K: $488

That's a massive no. And Zen 3 is some months away, which will likely see another 15% IPC boost.

TomgangI've been on X58 for 11 years now, so I can properly manage to wait a few more months before an upgrade and see what will come.

Yeah, no matter if you go Intel or AMD, Comet Lake is not a worthy upgrade.

MatsYeah, no matter if you go Intel or AMD, Comet Lake is not a worthy upgrade.

Intel has not been a worthy upgrade for a long time now. They been on 14 NM for 5-6 years and that is way to long. You can clearly see what that means. AMD now has the over all better choises and the fastest as well (Intel can't do much to threadripper). While Intel win on games and coreclock respectively, they lose in technology, power consumption, heat and multicore performance.

I will not pay for old reused tech from Intel. I will either upgrade to zen 3 or wait for Intel 10 nm... Maybe.

B-Real3900X: $410 with less power consumption
10900K: $488

That's a massive no. And Zen 3 is some months away, which will likely see another 15% IPC boost.

Maybe even more :eek:

Chrispy_Exactly. The most powerful CPU you can fit in an older socket always goes up in price.

I sold my 4790 (Wasn't even a K-model) for more than I bought it for new, because to someone with an S1150 i3 machine they get a huge upgrade without having to spend even more on a new motherboard and different RAM as well. That convenience massively increases the resale value of any high-end processor on a retired socket type.

If you have a long term plan in place, its a decent plan to buy a high end motherboard and high end CPU, and then parting them out several years later when the platform has hit obsolescence. People do pay a lot for the best possible processor on a obsolete socket. There is a bit of a sunken cost fallacy to it: they have a motherboard and ram and do not want to upgrade either of them so they pay a lot for a CPU. Same with the motherboard, they have a decent but older system and the motherboard fails: they already have the CPU and ram and so will pay a lot for a good condition motherboard of the same socket as their dead one just to keep their system alive. Premium obsolete ITX motherboards really go up in value because they are even scarcer.

MatsWhat do you have right now? Don't you want to wait for some reviews?

Yeah, I am well aware that I got nothing. And I don't think that it is a bad chip. It is just less competitive on this node with an old arch drawing more power than necessary. So I might consider to wait a little more and then decide.

Lokran88Yeah, I am well aware that I got nothing.

No, I meant, what CPU have you got right now? What are you upgrading from?

MatsNo, I meant, what CPU have you got right now? What are you upgrading from?

Ahh, sorry, got you.

Nah, can't tell you cause you will call me dumb, lol.

Actually got a 8700k @ 5 GHZ. But I got someone who would need it and would sell it then for cheap.

I am aware that the 300 MHZ more boost and 4 cores 8 threads probably aren't worth the upgrade. I just could afford it and don't care about the money that much.

But yeah, really considering to cancel order and wait for Zen 3 or RKL or even Alder Lake.

Intel: AMD, we have beat the Ryzen 3000 serie..... lol.

AMD: Great job Intel, you have indeed a higher score in the wattage meter....:laugh:

Intel: %$@%#^ AMD, %$#@!$... :banghead::banghead::banghead: