Tuesday, June 2nd 2020

Intel Plays the Pre-Zen AMD Tune: Advocates Focus Shift from "Benchmarks to Benefits"

Intel CEO Bob Swan, in his Virtual Computex YouTube stream, advocated that the industry should focus less on benchmarks, and more on the benefits of technology, a line of thought strongly advocated by rival AMD in its pre-Ryzen era, before the company began getting competitive with Intel again. "We should see this moment as an opportunity to shift our focus as an industry from benchmarks to the benefits and impacts of the technology we create," he said, referring to technology keeping civilization and economies afloat during the COVID-19 global pandemic, which has thrown Computex among practically every other public gathering out of order.

"The pandemic has underscored the need for technology to be purpose-built so it can meet these evolving business and consumer needs. And this requires a customer-obsessed mindset to stay close, anticipate those needs, and develop solutions. In this mindset, the goal is to ensure we are optimizing for a stronger impact that will support and accelerate positive business and societal benefits around the globe," he added. An example of what Swan is trying to say is visible with Intel's 10th generation Core "Cascade Lake XE" and "Ice Lake" processors, which feature AVX-512 and DL-Boost, accelerating deep learning neural nets; but lose to AMD's flagship offerings on the vast majority of benchmarks. Swan also confirmed that the company's "Tiger Lake" processors will launch this Summer.
The Computex video address by CEO Bob Swan can be watched below.

Source: PC Gamer
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42 Comments on Intel Plays the Pre-Zen AMD Tune: Advocates Focus Shift from "Benchmarks to Benefits"

#26
trparky
Sounds like that drowning man trying to hang to the last piece of floating scrap to stay above the water line.
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#27
Cranky5150
I love to start my day with a great joke....well done Intel !!!
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#28
john_
ARFI don't think so.

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You missed the point. I didn't say that reviews don't show Renoir's dominance, I am saying that there are NO articles/editorials/mentions, talking about what is going on in the market, with OEMs sabotaging their own products. I mean, they are sabotaging their own products. It's almost paranoid.

For example, TechSpot's article that was posted today about the new HP Omen laptops(TechSpot and Hardware Unboxed in your YouTube video are one and the same), makes no specific mention on the fact that the Renoir models are artificially limited. In fact in the article it only mentions that Renoir lacks Thunderbolt 3 and also gives the impression that both Intel and AMD models can be configured with the same hardware options. This is not true. In the comment section there are a couple of posts criticizing the fact that the article avoids to mention those facts.

People see what is going on. Sites are really trying hard to avoid to write specific articles about it. You might hear the reviewer saying that "this is unfortunate/wrong/bad/something", but that will be a 10 seconds comment in a 20 minutes review at best. You will have to try hard to find an article from a big tech site talking about this issue specifically.
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#29
ARF
john_You missed the point. I didn't say that reviews don't show Renoir's dominance, I am saying that there are NO articles/editorials/mentions, talking about what is going on in the market, with OEMs sabotaging their own products. I mean, they are sabotaging their own products. It's almost paranoid.

For example, TechSpot's article that was posted today about the new HP Omen laptops(TechSpot and Hardware Unboxed in your YouTube video are one and the same), makes no specific mention on the fact that the Renoir models are artificially limited. In fact in the article it only mentions that Renoir lacks Thunderbolt 3 and also gives the impression that both Intel and AMD models can be configured with the same hardware options. This is not true. In the comment section there are a couple of posts criticizing the fact that the article avoids to mention those facts.

People see what is going on. Sites are really trying hard to avoid to write specific articles about it. You might hear the reviewer saying that "this is unfortunate/wrong/bad/something", but that will be a 10 seconds comment in a 20 minutes review at best. You will have to try hard to find an article from a big tech site talking about this issue specifically.
Well, that's not entirely true. Both AdoredTV and SemiAccurate multiple times used to criticise both Intel and Nvidia.



www.semiaccurate.com/2010/02/17/nvidias-fermigtx480-broken-and-unfixable/

semiaccurate.com/2018/10/22/intel-kills-off-the-10nm-process/

www.pcworld.com/article/3269793/nvidia-kills-geforce-partner-program.html
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#31
ERazer
comment disabled on youtube :laugh:
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#34
ARF
john_OK, you are trolling now.
Report to the moderators and let them decide.
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#35
Totally
lynx29That's how I read it to, hmmm 125w keep doing that global warming... don't do the other guy... lol what a joke. i wish i could get paid millions to say dumb stuff. lot of CEO's say lots of dumb stuff. its really amazing how capitalism has nothing to do with any of it sometimes. some people just get fitted into slots and volume buying gives them more power than they deserve, lol
Hey, gotta justify that paycheck somehow. Poor guy is probably just trying to set up some sort of defense for when the board and investors meet next and are out for blood.
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#36
Space Lynx
Astronaut
TotallyHey, gotta justify that paycheck somehow. Poor guy is probably just trying to set up some sort of defense for when the board and investors meet next and are out for blood.
please stop calling CEO's that live in mansions 'poor guy'. lol
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#37
Totally
lynx29please stop calling CEO's that live in mansions 'poor guy'. lol
I was joking, ofc.
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#38
Caring1
lynx29please stop calling CEO's that live in mansions 'poor guy'. lol
Well he does have that Monty Burns vibe about him.
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#39
HugsNotDrugs
Intel products are fine but the prices are not. The 10700 for example is a very good 8c16t CPU, but not at a 25% price premium over the 3700x.

Intel's undoing will be the massive margins they still want on these products.
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#40
Space Lynx
Astronaut
HugsNotDrugsIntel products are fine but the prices are not. The 10700 for example is a very good 8c16t CPU, but not at a 25% price premium over the 3700x.

Intel's undoing will be the massive margins they still want on these products.
especially since they save on crappy heatsinks vs amd, and all their history of security flaws in recent years, they can longer justify the premium imo until they prove themselves again.
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#41
Totally
HugsNotDrugsIntel products are fine but the prices are not. The 10700 for example is a very good 8c16t CPU, but not at a 25% price premium over the 3700x.

Intel's undoing will be the massive margins they still want on these products.
That's something they are unwilling to do because that's practically throwing up a white flag, and without a clear plan for the future such a move would heavily impact investor confidence. So they're doing their best to put on a show that they're still competitive. Intel is slowly running out road.
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#42
bmacsys
R0H1TThis is what happens when you sit on your arse for nearly a decade & milk your base & everyone else for max profits! The fact that Intel has had to change the narrative shows how far they're behind purely in terms of overall performance & the approach AMD, or the rest of the industry, is taking & perhaps how long it'll take them to catch up. Make no mistake Intel can catch up & likely leapfrog AMD in the future ~ that however is an indefinite future & Intel's many statements & messages echo that!
It won't happen. Intel would need to surpass TSMC which will happen after hell freezes over.
my_name_is_earlThese company reminds me of the Blackberry day. Blackberry sat on their @ss thinking they're king and nobody can beat them... Bam! Apple overtook the smartphone market within a short period of time. RIP blackberry. Hopefully not RIP Intel too :(
Hopefully, AMD overtook the performance crown from Nvidia. Sry AMD fanboi, unless AMD win performance crown, I don't care if you pay peanut for your card. It don't matter.
IIRC one of the co ceo's at RIM said the iPhone was "amatuer hour". That surely came back to haunt him.
FlankerNot happening. Even if they actually start to lose money in their CPU business, Intel is a monster with many other heads that generate profit.
True. But they are being hammered on all fronts by extremely powerful foes. Time and circumstances are different today.
TotallyThat's something they are unwilling to do because that's practically throwing up a white flag, and without a clear plan for the future such a move would heavily impact investor confidence. So they're doing their best to put on a show that they're still competitive. Intel is slowly running out road.
They have had to cut prices and raise the core counts. The tide is turning and it will just get worse for Intel. Only comparison I can think of is Boeing. Letting bean counters run things onstead of engineers.
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