Tuesday, July 21st 2020

AMD Announces Renoir for Desktop: Ryzen 4000G, PRO 4000G, and Athlon PRO 3000G

AMD today announced its 4th Generation Ryzen 4000G and Ryzen PRO 4000G desktop processors for pre-built OEM desktops. The company also expanded its entry-level Athlon 3000G series and debuted the Athlon PRO 3000G series. The Ryzen 4000G and PRO 4000G mark the Socket AM4 desktop debut of the 7 nm "Renoir" silicon, which combines up to 8 CPU cores based on the "Zen 2" microarchitecture, with a Radeon Vega 8 iGPU. These processors benefit from the 65 W TDP and increased power limits of the desktop platform to dial up CPU- and iGPU engine clock speeds significantly over the Ryzen 4000U and 4000H mobile processors based on the same silicon. The new Athlon 3000G-series and Athlon PRO 3000G-series parts are based on a 12 nm die that has "Zen+" CPU cores.

All of the processor models announced today are OEM-only, meaning that you'll only find them on pre-built consumer- and commercial desktops by the likes of HP, Lenovo, Dell, etc. Not even the system-integrator (SI) channel (eg: Maingear, Origin PC, etc.,) gets these chips. OEMs will pair these processors with motherboards based on the AMD B550 chipset, although the chips are compatible with the X570 chipset, too. The Ryzen PRO 4000G processors are targeted at commercial desktops that are part of large business environments, and launches along with the new AMD PRO565 chipset. Since they are OEM-only, the company did not reveal pricing for any of these chips. They did however mention that for the DIY retail channel, they do plan to update their product stack with processors that have integrated graphics at a later time (without going into specifics of the said time).
On the consumer side of things, the Ryzen 4000G series consists of 8-core/16-thread Ryzen 7, 6-core/12-thread Ryzen 5, and 4-core/8-thread Ryzen 3 SKUs. The lineup is led by the Ryzen 7 4700G, which is endowed with the full 8-core/16-thread CPU clocked at 3.60 GHz, with 4.40 GHz max boost, all 8 "Vega" iGPU compute units (512 stream processors), and a stellar iGPU engine clock of 2.10 GHz. All this fits into a 65 W TDP envelope. The Ryzen 5 4600G is the mid-tier offering with a 6-core/12-thread CPU clocked at 3.70 GHz with 4.20 GHz boost, 7 CUs enabled (448 stream processors), and 1.90 GHz iGPU engine clock. The value-segment Ryzen 3 4300G packs a 4-core/8-thread CPU clocked at 3.80 GHz, with 4.00 GHz boost frequency, 6 CUs (384 stream processors) enabled, and 1.70 GHz iGPU engine clock. All three chips feature 65 W TDP.

Just like on Picasso, and Renoir Mobile, Renoir desktop supports external graphics cards with a PCI-Express 3.0 x8 interface—you heard right, no PCIe Gen 4. The PCIe subsystem hasn't been updated in any way. For the OEM business this makes sense of course, because AMD expects Renoir prebuilts to come without discrete graphics—that's their selling point. For systems with graphics card, OEMs are expected to use the regular Zen 2 Ryzens.
There are energy-efficient "GE" variants of these consumer chips that have 35 W TDP. The 4700GE is clocked at 3.10 GHz with 4.30 GHz boost and 2.00 GHz iGPU engine clocks; the 4600GE with 3.30 GHz CPU clocks that boost to 4.20 GHz, and 1.90 GHz iGPU engine clocks, and the 4300GE with 3.50 GHz base, 4.00 GHz boost, and 1.70 GHz iGPU engine clocks. These chips will feature aggressive power management to meet the 35 W TDP, performing on par with H/HS-segment mobile processors.

The "Zen 2" cores in all these chips feature 512 KB of dedicated L2 cache, each. The "Renoir" silicon has two quad-core CCXs, each with 4 MB of L3 cache that's shared among the four cores of the CCX. The 4700G/4700GE hence have 12 MB "total cache" (L2+L3 in AMD parlance); the 4600G/4600GE have 11 MB, and the 4300G/4300GE have 6 MB (an entire CCX is disabled).

The Ryzen PRO 4000G series consists of three models, the Ryzen 7 PRO 4750G, the PRO 4650G, and the PRO 4350G. The three feature identical clock speeds and features to the 4700G, 4600G, and 4300G, respectively; but top them with the AMD PRO feature-set that rivals Intel vPro. The AMD PRO feature-set includes AMD PRO Security, a multi-layered security system, including full memory encryption; AMD PRO Management (rivals Intel Active Management Technology); and AMD PRO Business support ecosystem rivaling AMD vPro SIPP.

New additions to the consumer-segment Athlon 3000G series includes the new Athlon Gold and Athlon Silver 3000G-series processor family. These chips are based on the 12 nm "Picasso" silicon that features up to four "Zen+" CPU cores. The Athlon Gold 3150 offers a 4-core/4-thread CPU clocked at 3.90 GHz (no boost), 6 MB of total cache, and 65 W TDP. Its energy-efficient twin, the Athlon Gold 3150GE, ticks at 3.80 GHz, with a much slimmer 35 W TDP. The Athlon Silver 3050GE is a 2-core/4-thread chip with 5 MB total cache, and 3.50 GHz CPU clocks. There are PRO variants of the three chips, too.

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59 Comments on AMD Announces Renoir for Desktop: Ryzen 4000G, PRO 4000G, and Athlon PRO 3000G

#26
bug
xman2007OEM's, if you were to buy one for a budget build when they become available to consumers you could likely drop it into said B350/450 board, heck wouldnt surprise me to see OEM's throwing them into A320 boards with a bios update
Neah, 300 won't work here, but it seems there's a chance 400 will.
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#28
Valantar
From Anandtech's article:
It was stated in our briefing call that there will be a launch of a future Zen2 APU for the consumer market compatible with 500-series motherboards. The company specifically did not say 400-series, but did clarify that the 4000G series announced today was for 400 and 500 series.
So these chips will work on both 400 and 500-series boards, but given that there's no indication whether the teased upcoming retail APUs will be these or some other solution (new silicon?) there's no indication if those will work on 400-series boards. Personally I wouldn't buy a 400-series board for these anyhow, for three reasons: iGPU/SoC VRM capacity (those new iGPUs is going to pull a lot more power than the older ones, especially when overclocked), RAM trace quality/speed support, and HDMI 2.1. All B550 ITX boards support HDMI 2.1, which makes them a shoo-in for a HTPC.

Just let me buy one of these, okay, AMD? Please?
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#29
xman2007
bugNeah, 300 won't work here, but it seems there's a chance 400 will.
Ryzen 3000 work with 300 chipset so I can't see why the APU's wouldn't
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#30
bug
xman2007Ryzen 3000 work with 300 chipset so I can't see why the APU's wouldn't
That's not my problem, it's yours.
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#31
xman2007
bugThat's not my problem, it's yours.
These are basically ryzen 3000 CPU's with igp, not sure how that's a problem or what you can't fathom
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#32
Lionheart
dicktracyImagine thinking Vega and Zen+ is not slow by today’s standards.
Imagine ignoring that there are also Zen2 APU's as well, Zen+ are the budget options. "Surprise pikachu Face"
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#33
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
Yeah oem only is bollocks, even if only for a while. I assume supply is the reason. Really excited to see what the 4700G can do, especially with some speedy RAM.
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#34
xman2007
FrickYeah oem only is bollocks, even if only for a while. I assume supply is the reason. Really excited to see what the 4700G can do, especially with some speedy RAM.
I'm sure they can (unofficially) support and have been seen running with something like 4200/4400mhz RAM which is pretty damn awesome compared to last gen, add to that Zen2 cores and hopefully a bit of OC room on the IGP and this could make a really good SFF/itx living room gaming PC
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#35
zlobby
TheLostSwedeFor OEM's only? At least according to Anandtech...
That seems, odd...
PRO variants are very hard to come by outside OEM channels.
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#36
Valantar
zlobbyPRO variants are very hard to come by outside OEM channels.
That's not just the Pro variants, they're all OEM only for now.
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#37
Caring1
ValantarVega at 2.1GHz ought to perform quite well for an iGPU, and certainly better than any other iGPU. As for the CPU cores, all the Ryzens are Zen 2. The Athlons are Zen+, but so what? They're dirt cheap.
They've basically increased clock speeds to compensate for the reduction in CU's from 11 to 8.
Earlier APU's had the ability to overclock the GPU also.
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#38
mechtech
have to wait for reviews. the HTPC is about 10 years old now.
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#39
biffzinker
ValantarPersonally I wouldn't buy a 400-series board for these anyhow, for three reasons: iGPU/SoC VRM capacity (those new iGPUs is going to pull a lot more power than the older ones, especially when overclocked), RAM trace quality/speed support, and HDMI 2.1. All B550 ITX boards support HDMI 2.1, which makes them a shoo-in for a HTPC.
You forgot the x4 PCIe v3.0 interconnection between the CPU, and secondary chipset.
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#40
Crazy_O
zlobbyPRO variants are very hard to come by outside OEM channels.
in Thailand , some PC store sell Ryzen Pro 4350G/4650G/4750G (tray processors) with "New DIY PC set"
(processor only should ask directly)
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#41
The Quim Reaper
FrickYeah oem only is bollocks, even if only for a while. I assume supply is the reason.
Just a guess..but I bet these 8c16t 4700 APU designs are the same as the silicon in the new consoles, but with the GPU component part replaced with Sony & Microsoft's designs. So AMD might not be able to meet demand for both the console & PC Desktop market at this time.
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#42
Dredi
The Quim ReaperJust a guess..but I bet these 8c16t 4700 APU designs are the same as the silicon in the new consoles, but with the GPU component part replaced with Sony & Microsoft's designs. So AMD might not be able to meet demand for both the console & PC Desktop market at this time.
No.

These are the same parts as in recent notebooks.
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#43
Valantar
The Quim ReaperJust a guess..but I bet these 8c16t 4700 APU designs are the same as the silicon in the new consoles, but with the GPU component part replaced with Sony & Microsoft's designs. So AMD might not be able to meet demand for both the console & PC Desktop market at this time.
That's not how silicon design works. I mean, sure, these all have 8 Zen 2 cores, so they are similar. But replacing the iGPU entirely, plus changing the I/O to match (consoles have GDDR6 and at most x8 PCIe for 2 NVME drives, PCs have DDR4 and more PCIe) constitutes a full redesign of the silicon. The consoles also likely contain unknown design tweaks (cache size etc) making them different from the desktop and mobile parts. AMD's silicon designs are "modular" in that you can swap out various parts of the design with others, but I can guarantee you that 0% of these chips is derived from the console designs (not least because console makers paid the R&D costs for those and thus own any design changes). These chips are 100% the same silicon as mobile Renoir, which was announced at CES and has been on the market for quite a while.
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#44
zlobby
Crazy_Oin Thailand , some PC store sell Ryzen Pro 4350G/4650G/4750G (tray processors) with "New DIY PC set"
(processor only should ask directly)
If the respective mobo doesn't have support for the PRO functions there is little sense getting such a CPU.
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#45
Chrispy_
Does anyone know if the Ryzen Pro with built-in graphics supports WIndows RDP hardware accelerated passthrough? I don't have one to test but Quadro/RadeonPro support full OpenGL/DX features over RDP whilst Geforce/Radeon do not.

Renoir's built-in graphics may be enough to actually replace Quadros and RadeonPros
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#46
Kapone33
zlobbyIf the respective mobo doesn't have support for the PRO functions there is little sense getting such a CPU.
I would like to think a B550 board might actually work.
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#47
prtskg
More demand compared to earlier years and supply problems due to corona could explain this oem only launch. Hopefully retail launch will come next month or so.
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#48
bug
prtskgMore demand compared to earlier years and supply problems due to corona could explain this oem only launch. Hopefully retail launch will come next month or so.
Bingo. Idk whether it's because of corona or just general supply issue, but yes, both AMD and Intel have been selling chips as fast they can make them. They have to prioritize. OEMs tend to place big, safe orders, so it's ok to cater to them first. Especially since enthusiasts are already covered. These are not meant for performance critical builds it's not a big deal to build around 3000G a while longer.
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#49
zlobby
kapone32I would like to think a B550 board might actually work.
Me too but this is the key differentiator between consumer and enterprise/professional wotkstation markets. It makes little sense for OEM to mix them.
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