bugWe've said the same thing about RDNA: just wait for it, it must bring Turing prices back in check. Boy, were we wrong...

But yeah, wait for both launches, the advice is sound. What happened with Turing is not the norm.

Navi did have an impact on Turing prices with the RTX 2060/RX 5600 XT launch, because it can compete there. All we need is RDNA2 to compete in the high-end...

I agree you should generally wait after a launch. But my curiosity is what are the launch prices for both RTX and RDNA2 since the Wu-Flu thing, economic issues in most countries, an up tick of mining and the next-gen consoles coming out complicate matters.

Also i would like to play Cyberpunk 2077 on a new GPU by Christmas :)

Vayra86I'd rather say everyone's winning with the way Nvidia pushes performance every time.

Yeah, I don’t really feel like I’m winning here....:) Nvidia yes. Consumers no.

While I get your point, isn’t that is how technology is supposed to work? More efficient processes, better performance, lower prices. What Nvidia has been doing lately is simply raising their sku rank each gen so it appears you are getting an even better product, but for more money. (They are not the only company doing this). Great illustration is the rtx3090 (if it comes out) will essentially be the 2080ti (in the 3000 series) but now it has a higher product number so it wouldn’t make sense to charge the same amount as a 2080ti. This can be see through their entire line and is basically marketing 101. Leather jackets ain’t cheap ya know... this will continue until they have some serious competition.

ymbajaYeah, I don’t really feel like I’m winning here....:) Nvidia yes. Consumers no.

While I get your point, isn’t that is how technology is supposed to work? More efficient processes, better performance, lower prices. What Nvidia has been doing lately is simply raising their sku rank each gen so it appears you are getting an even better product, but for more money. (They are not the only company doing this). Great illustration is the rtx3090 (if it comes out) will essentially be the 2080ti (in the 3000 series) but now it has a higher product number so it wouldn’t make sense to charge the same amount as a 2080ti. This can be see through their entire line and is basically marketing 101. Leather jackets ain’t cheap ya know... this will continue until they have some serious competition.

Hopefully it's on the way , forgetting the obvious there are a few possible competitor's ,they will affect pricing.

ymbajaYeah, I don’t really feel like I’m winning here....:) Nvidia yes. Consumers no.

While I get your point, isn’t that is how technology is supposed to work? More efficient processes, better performance, lower prices. What Nvidia has been doing lately is simply raising their sku rank each gen so it appears you are getting an even better product, but for more money. (They are not the only company doing this). Great illustration is the rtx3090 (if it comes out) will essentially be the 2080ti (in the 3000 series) but now it has a higher product number so it wouldn’t make sense to charge the same amount as a 2080ti. This can be see through their entire line and is basically marketing 101. Leather jackets ain’t cheap ya know... this will continue until they have some serious competition.

Compare it to Kepler. Not only was there competition, we were also content with 2GB cards from the x60 on up all the way to a GTX690 (!! Hi!) that still had 2GB per chip. That was a 1000 dollar card. Progress yes, but now Pascal: up to 11GB and down to 3!!!GB on an x60. With 1080ti commanding an MSRP of 700 bucks.

That is the point. You get a shitload more GPU for your money. Its only logical the price reflects that. The alternative to that strategy is spoon feeding 5% improvements, a bit like Intel was doing since Sandy Bridge. And were those cheap??? Exactly. Id much rather pay for leather jackets.

In other words, the rumor suggest that they wil;l do basicaclly the dame thing they do every launch. The amazing this is that, outside of of 25% tariffs, shortages and artificial pricing to force the empying of last generation inventories, the cost of the *80 level seies card has remained relatively constant since the year 2000. Hot Hardware had a nice graphic showing this that is no longer accessible since they revamped the site ... wish I had saved the graphic, bit it showd proces of the top card averaging 700 ... all prices were adjusted for inflation and presented in 2017 dollars.

Take that $700 and add 25% China tariff in US .... and you are at $875 for the $2080 ... popular AIB cards are running $725 to $950. The tariff was to boost even higher but the bump was temporarily suspended . However, last I heard, that reprieve was scheduled to expire tomorrow (August 07, 2020). Considering that MoBos and pretty much everything else is up and exacerbated by pandemic related costs and supply difficulties, I don't see a justification for the whinerbagging. Sure, when the 2xxx cards 1st came out card, prices were insane ... nvidia did it to clear the shelves and warehoses of 10xx series cards, but it was the folks who had to be the 1st one on the block that had that price up the for so long ... nvidia was selling them as fast as they could make them, shortages were common. We've never recommended buying GFX cards for at last 3 months after they come out.

Wait a bit and a) you'll spend less, b) you don't have tpo deal w/ imature drivers, c) you don't have to deal with the bad designs (AMD 6 pin 480, EVGA inadequately cooled VRMs on 1xxx series as well as 970 SC GPU misaligned missing 1/3 of the heat sink and MSI super adhesive tale holding the fans in place during shipping, d) you get 2nd and 3rd stepping hardware, free of the bugaboos from 1st steppings and often tweaked performance. How much should companies charge for their products ? ... by law, as much as they can. Directors have a financial / legal obligation to maximize stockholder value.

John NaylorIn other words, the rumor suggest that they wil;l do basicaclly the dame thing they do every launch. The amazing this is that, outside of of 25% tariffs, shortages and artificial pricing to force the empying of last generation inventories, the cost of the *80 level seies card has remained relatively constant since the year 2000. Hot Hardware had a nice graphic showing this that is no longer accessible since they revamped the site ... wish I had saved the graphic, bit it showd proces of the top card averaging 700 ... all prices were adjusted for inflation and presented in 2017 dollars.

Take that $700 and add 25% China tariff in US .... and you are at $875 for the $2080 ... popular AIB cards are running $725 to $950. The tariff was to boost even higher but the bump was temporarily suspended . However, last I heard, that reprieve was scheduled to expire tomorrow (August 07, 2020). Considering that MoBos and pretty much everything else is up and exacerbated by pandemic related costs and supply difficulties, I don't see a justification for the whinerbagging. Sure, when the 2xxx cards 1st came out card, prices were insane ... nvidia did it to clear the shelves and warehoses of 10xx series cards, but it was the folks who had to be the 1st one on the block that had that price up the for so long ... nvidia was selling them as fast as they could make them, shortages were common. We've never recommended buying GFX cards for at last 3 months after they come out.

Wait a bit and a) you'll spend less, b) you don't have tpo deal w/ imature drivers, c) you don't have to deal with the bad designs (AMD 6 pin 480, EVGA inadequately cooled VRMs on 1xxx series as well as 970 SC GPU misaligned missing 1/3 of the heat sink and MSI super adhesive tale holding the fans in place during shipping, d) you get 2nd and 3rd stepping hardware, free of the bugaboos from 1st steppings and often tweaked performance. How much should companies charge for their products ? ... by law, as much as they can. Directors have a financial / legal obligation to maximize stockholder value.

Alot of good points... I found the graphic you mentioned (reposted on hexus). I'll admit i wasn't aware they had cards that expensive going back to 2000. The one problem with your argument however is they've sucked you into the exact ploy I mentioned. The 2080 isn't their top tier card, for that you need to jump up to the 2080ti, around $1300 which is well out of the $700 range (even with tariffs/pandemic and all the other stuff going on.)