Obviously the frame-rate varies a lot, but in the screenshot shown right here in this article 133fps up from 89fps is a 49% increase if my math is right.

3080's are going to sell well I think.

wolfObviously the frame-rate varies a lot, but in the screenshot shown right here in this article 133fps up from 89fps is a 49% increase if my math is right.

3080's are going to sell well I think.

From all I can see now it is indeed a solid upgrade.
Though I am still a bit concerned with the 10 GB RAM it offers in terms of longevity.
I hope big Navi can (at least) compete at this level while be more generous on RAM.

Saw some youtube videos showing 2080ti at 100-130fps at 4k ultra nightmare quality everything maxed out. how come their pc only doing 90 bellow?

wolfObviously the frame-rate varies a lot, but in the screenshot shown right here in this article 133fps up from 89fps is a 49% increase if my math is right.

3080's are going to sell well I think.

Yeah when you look at the side-by-side recordings of the same scene, the 3080 is usually 40%-50% faster than the 2080Ti. Quite nice!

HatrixSaw some youtube videos showing 2080ti at 100-130fps at 4k ultra nightmare quality everything maxed out. how come their pc only doing 90 bellow?

Maybe highly overclocked cards? In the video there were spots where the 2080ti got around 100-110fps

Just did a quick search, this guy's 2080Ti runs generally ~100fps 4k maxed out

wtfbbqlolYeah when you look at the side-by-side recordings of the same scene, the 3080 is usually 40%-50% faster than the 2080Ti. Quite nice!


Maybe highly overclocked cards? In the video there were spots where the 2080ti got around 100-110fps

Just did a quick search, this guy's 2080Ti runs generally ~100fps 4k maxed out

i'm not saying 3080 is worse or same, the price/performance will say everything but i don't really trust company benchmarks, they tend to exaggerate. i might be wrong.

In my eyes, rtx 3080 was around 50% faster than rtx 2080ti.

MetroidIn my eyes, rtx 3080 was around 50% faster than rtx 2080ti.

they first compared 3080 against 2080 in the NVIDIA event which is normal, they are the same model and price range and that's a 60-80% boost according to digital foundry but we are missing 3080ti vs 2080ti

I live in portugal = tax 23%
2080ti goes for 1000€ to 1400€ average price
3080 goes for 724€, cheaper model, to 890€
www.pcdiga.com/?query=3080
3090 goes for 1554€ to 1629€
www.pcdiga.com/?query=3090

Hatrixthey first compared 3080 against 2080 in the NVIDIA event which is normal, they are the same model and price range and that's a 60-80% boost according to digital foundry but we are missing 3080ti vs 2080ti

I saw that video, as high as 90% on doom I think, insane.

SandboFrom all I can see now it is indeed a solid upgrade.
Though I am still a bit concerned with the 10 GB RAM it offers in terms of longevity.
I hope big Navi can (at least) compete at this level while be more generous on RAM.

Calculated move from Nvidia. They give you nice performance upgrade but effectively kill future proofness of RTX 3080 and 3070 by limiting VRAM.

SandboFrom all I can see now it is indeed a solid upgrade.
Though I am still a bit concerned with the 10 GB RAM it offers in terms of longevity.
I hope big Navi can (at least) compete at this level while be more generous on RAM.

Gotta wait for them rumored 16GB 3070 Ti/Super (this one was already leaked by one store) and 20GB 3080 Ti/Super cards then.

PumperGotta wait for them rumored 16GB 3070 Ti/Super (this one was already leaked by one store) and 20GB 3080 Ti/Super cards then.

The problem with waiting is that we don't know when that will happen. Could be 3 months, could be 12 months. If someone is in the market for one of these cards it's best just to get the one that fits the budget/need and enjoy it.

HotobuThe problem with waiting is that we don't know when that will happen. Could be 3 months, could be 12 months. If someone is in the market for one of these cards it's best just to get the one that fits the budget/need and enjoy it.

Could be a week later
2080 - 20 September 2018
2080ti - 27 September 2018
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_20_series

Super only came after almost 1 year

and RTX2080ti Super aka RTX Tesla exist but they are only for Geforce Now and not consumer

DuxCroCalculated move from Nvidia. They give you nice performance upgrade but effectively kill future proofness of RTX 3080 and 3070 by limiting VRAM.

That's annoying, the performance is there but limiting the memory to only 10gb is very frustrating and holding me a lot from getting one, I hope AMD will bring something to the table, I believe they can bring something similar to the 3080 but when? Navi was good but came a bit late and overpriced.

HatrixCould be a week later
2080 - 20 September 2018
2080ti - 27 September 2018
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_20_series

Yeah, those were announced at the same time though, there's been zero announcement of the 3080 Ti, so it's not comparable.

Why not using the same vulkan driver and gpu driver?

I know it won't change that much but at least to keep coherency.

DuxCroCalculated move from Nvidia. They give you nice performance upgrade but effectively kill future proofness of RTX 3080 and 3070 by limiting VRAM.

You cannot ask for more VRAM at these prices. There will probably be cards with more VRAM as well, but they will be more expensive.

Personally I do not believe in future-proofing. I tried this many times and it never works. By the time you get to utilize those "future features", there are much better options on the market. I prefer to buy what is best value for me at the moment and then upgrade in two years or something.

AMD used to put a lot of VRAM in their cards (290, 390, even the RX 480), but by the time that VRAM was needed, the cards were too slow.

He's also missing the part about increasing the memory bandwidth. 760 vs 616 GB/s.

Doom Eternal isn't all that graphically demanding anyway
runs fine on my 750 ti at 1080p low with stable 40-45fps

btarunr20-30% performance gains

btarunrRips and Tears Through DOOM Eternal at 4K

Amazing title.

Harry LloydYou cannot ask for more VRAM at these prices. There will probably be cards with more VRAM as well, but they will be more expensive.

Personally I do not believe in future-proofing. I tried this many times and it never works. By the time you get to utilize those "future features", there are much better options on the market. I prefer to buy what is best value for me at the moment and then upgrade in two years or something.

AMD used to put a lot of VRAM in their cards (290, 390, even the RX 480), but by the time that VRAM was needed, the cards were too slow.

Can't agree more, better get what suits you now and worry less about the future, a 1080ti with the best CPU of that period can't play a 4k HDR video on YouTube let alone 8K.
My issue with the 3080 is I'm not sure if the beam is enough right now, a 12gb would've been better, but yeah the price is also an issue, maybe AMD can under cut them with similar performance (minus come features) with more vram and a bit cheaper.

wolfObviously the frame-rate varies a lot, but in the screenshot shown right here in this article 133fps up from 89fps is a 49% increase if my math is right.

3080's are going to sell well I think.

No chance in the near term. Volume is gonna be tiny, and likely there will be a high number of RMAs which will eat stock.

TSMC -> Samsung; new modified 10nm process (8nm) not really designed for this kind of thing; large dies; high TDPs; 20% of CUs disabled (that's a massive number - suggesting defect rates v. high)
= almost certainly a lot of dead cards.

It was bad enough last time for the first 6-9 months with the 2080Ti, which was on a proven process. Plenty of people had to RMA more than once.

Hopefully they'll be able to get 3070s and 3060s out in reasonable numbers by Q1 next year, but 3080s are going to be rare for a long time IMO, and 3090s like Hens' Teeth.

SandboFrom all I can see now it is indeed a solid upgrade.
Though I am still a bit concerned with the 10 GB RAM it offers in terms of longevity.
I hope big Navi can (at least) compete at this level while be more generous on RAM.

You shouldn't worry.
In order to use more VRAM in a single frame, you also need more bandwidth and computational performance as well, which means by the time you need this, this card will be too slow anyway. Resources needs to be balanced, and there is no reason to think you will "future proof" the card by having loads of extra VRAM. It has not panned out well in the past, and it will not in the future, unless games starts to use the VRAM in a completely different manner all of a sudden.

Harry LloydPersonally I do not believe in future-proofing. I tried this many times and it never works. By the time you get to utilize those "future features", there are much better options on the market. I prefer to buy what is best value for me at the moment and then upgrade in two years or something.

AMD used to put a lot of VRAM in their cards (290, 390, even the RX 480), but by the time that VRAM was needed, the cards were too slow.

Exactly.

There are however reasons to buy extra VRAM, like various (semi-)professional uses. But for gaming it's a waste of money. Anyone who is into high-end gaming will be looking at a new card in 3-4 years anyway.

One thing I have noticed is for the older series they are using older drivers. There was a part of the video where they show side by site details, and the drivers are different...

So what will the comparison be like when they use up to date drivers with the new features that are also coming to older series? It would be pretty messed up if they are purposely misleading consumers so they buy new cards, then unleash more power in the older ones after everyone upgrades...

Harry LloydYou cannot ask for more VRAM at these prices. There will probably be cards with more VRAM as well, but they will be more expensive.

Personally I do not believe in future-proofing. I tried this many times and it never works. By the time you get to utilize those "future features", there are much better options on the market. I prefer to buy what is best value for me at the moment and then upgrade in two years or something.

AMD used to put a lot of VRAM in their cards (290, 390, even the RX 480), but by the time that VRAM was needed, the cards were too slow.

Yea future proofing is a joke. By the time you wait for the Super/Ti/more Ram models you're that much closer to next gen anyways so whats the point. It's one thing when it is confirmed 2 months out but when they just announced product out toward the end of October I am sure we won't expect better than the 3080 we know about until at least next year. Those possible other cards could be an answer to AMD as well. A lot of speculation but we don't know what AMD is doing for sure yet.

DivergeOne thing I have noticed is for the older series they are using older drivers. There was a part of the video where they show side by site details, and the drivers are different...

So what will the comparison be like when they use up to date drivers with the new features that are also coming to older series? It would be pretty messed up if they are purposely misleading consumers so they buy new cards, then unleash more power in the older ones after everyone upgrades...

They are different drivers but it could have something to do with the completeness of the new driver used on the 30 series. It may not be complete for 2080 Ti or some other reason of course. I wouldn't expect the new driver for 30 series to some how increase Turing performance in a way that matters much.

midnightoilNo chance in the near term. Volume is gonna be tiny, and likely there will be a high number of RMAs which will eat stock.

TSMC -> Samsung; new modified 10nm process (8nm) not really designed for this kind of thing; large dies; high TDPs; 20% of CUs disabled (that's a massive number - suggesting defect rates v. high)
= almost certainly a lot of dead cards.

It was bad enough last time for the first 6-9 months with the 2080Ti, which was on a proven process. Plenty of people had to RMA more than once.

Hopefully they'll be able to get 3070s and 3060s out in reasonable numbers by Q1 next year, but 3080s are going to be rare for a long time IMO, and 3090s like Hens' Teeth.

I seem to be seeing something different about the 8nm Samsung/Nvidia process. Volume should be good as this isn't shared with anything else like 7nm is. Nvidia prices alone should be a good indication that they can make the card efficiently otherwise they wouldn't be at these price points when there isn't competition yet. From my understanding this Samsung/Nvidia process should be a better turn out than Turing 12nm. Guess we'll see. I expect demand for 30 series to be the biggest issue. Especially 3070.

efikkanYou shouldn't worry.
In order to use more VRAM in a single frame, you also need more bandwidth and computational performance as well, which means by the time you need this, this card will be too slow anyway. Resources needs to be balanced, and there is no reason to think you will "future proof" the card by having loads of extra VRAM. It has not panned out well in the past, and it will not in the future, unless games starts to use the VRAM in a completely different manner all of a sudden.


Exactly.

There are however reasons to buy extra VRAM, like various (semi-)professional uses. But for gaming it's a waste of money. Anyone who is into high-end gaming will be looking at a new card in 3-4 years anyway.

Wrong wrong wrong. AMD out 8 gigs of vram in their cards because they performed better even when their was vram to spare. I had a 290x (trix) and if it only had 4 gigs of vram then there is zero chance I would have been able to run witcher 3 at 4k30 or 1440p60 on that card. Same goes for doom 2016, 4k in vulkan on max settings I could get over 100fps but if I had 4 gigs of vram? Nope.

So the card was not past it's usefulness by the time the memory was needed. I have more examples but point made.

Also PC gamers that are REALLY into high end gaming tend to upgrade their gpu every year unless the performance uplift is only like 15%. I have a 2080ti and will likely upgrade to a 3090 although I'll wait for game benchmarks to see how the 3080 performs.