Wednesday, January 13th 2021

EK at CES 2021: Active Backplate, New Torque Fittings, Concept Cases!

EK Waterblocks, who have decided to go by EK for the brand presence in the retail stream henceforth, had a stronger showing at the virtual CES 2021 than most other brands, and showcased a good deal of new products amidst their EK Expo ongoing as of this post. The most interesting product to me at least was their upcoming actively cooled backplate solution, which is different from what Aqua Computer has done to date in that it has an actual cold plate and coolant going through a small block on the back rather than just a heatpipe. Now I will mention that Aqua Computer had shown off some renders of their own take of this, but this is the first time a retail solution has been shown off by a company.

EK says that the new backplate offering will come in either acetal or nickel-plexi variants, and will incorporate a thicker terminal that splits coolant flow to the front and back. The backplate, first coming for the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080/3090 reference PCB, will make direct contact with the components on the back as well, with freshly conducted internal testing showing VRAM cooling improvements in significant double digits already. The company plans to make this an option for other popular new GPU releases as well, except for the RTX 3090 FE that gets its own bespoke cooling solution with the backplate connected to the coldplate on the front via thermal pads for a more petite, semi-active cooling solution coming up soon. The first active backplate is due to release in a month, with cost on the order of a typical GPU block itself. Click past the break for more from EK at CES 2021!
Fittings are the bread and butter for most PC DIY watercooling companies, and EK has had a massive refresh in the recent year with their Quantum Torque range of fittings. At CES 2021, the company showcased new additions including compression fittings in all colors match their Quantum Magnitude CPU block accents, as well as new female-female angled adapters and T-splitters that look quite sharp if I say so myself. They also showed off a new drain valve fitting with a locking cap and sliding mechanism that takes far less space compared to a typical ball valve fitting, and fits in with the design aesthetic. Finally, we saw new stop plugs in different sizes and heights to cater to different needs, and these all come in their four Torque fitting finishes.
Joining the new fittings were new pump bodies/heatsinks for the Xylem D5 and DDC respectively, with machining from a single chunk of brass that then gets plated in two finishes as seen in the images below. The DDC heatsink is cleaner in aesthetics with fins that visible when installed anymore, and cutouts for the cables in either pump option.
Taking a sharp right turn, there was a concept case with desk/wall mounting options. EK has dipped toes into the case world from time to time, including the EK-Vulture that seemed ahead of its time in hindsight, and the new concept case is an open frame with 4 mm thick aluminium panels that would not look out of place in an InWin catalog. Indeed, EK is still considering manufacturing from a third-party vs. doing it themselves, and are far enough in this thought process to where I expect the case to become reality sooner than later (maybe Q4 this year at the earliest, though). The case differs itself from other such offerings in providing clamp feet that allow installation on desks similar to monitor arms, as well as standard VESA mounts on the back for wall mounting. There are radiator mount hinges not shown in the image below, and the panels are customizable to allow for a reverse ATX motherboard orientation as well.
You can also see sneak peeks of that concept case in the images below, however those are more relevant to the Lian Li O11-D external cooling unit. This is effectively a pedestal from the Caselabs days, in that it screws into the bottom of the case and re-uses the stock feet that you had to remove in the previous step, except given a modern touch throughout with a custom push-fit distro plate for tubing routes in/out and also radiators that can be installed in either side (or both). The distro plate has built-in D5 pump, and comes with a pump block plate if you want to use an internal pump inside the case. I want to see a version sold without the pump in this case, just to save customers money on the secondary pump that is redundant otherwise. EK plans to also sell this as a standalone external cooling box with a roof panel.
Lastly, there was mention of their recently launched Fluid Works workstation PCs, as well as various partner-specific products from AMD, ASUS, Powercolor MSI etc. We expect to hear (and have already heard in some cases) more about these from the partners themselves in due time.
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36 Comments on EK at CES 2021: Active Backplate, New Torque Fittings, Concept Cases!

#26
thesmokingman
ValantarI mean, the only way to avoid milling marks like those is essentially to polish the metal after machining. Which, considering it has zero effect on cooling, is just unnecessary work and thus an unnecessary increase in production costs. Why bother?
No you don't polish it. You just change your tooling on a regular schedule. The marks are left behind from worn tooling usually. And you can also mill in specific paths to reduce marks. You can even hide the tooling marks while milling. All of this they don't do and the problem is they keep jacking up the prices while crap like this becomes ubiquitous.
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#27
Valantar
thesmokingmanNo you don't polish it. You just change your tooling on a regular schedule. The marks are left behind from worn tooling usually. And you can also mill in specific paths to reduce marks. You can even hide the tooling marks while milling. All of this they don't do and the problem is they keep jacking up the prices while crap like this becomes ubiquitous.
Their milling paths are no doubt optimized for speed (i.e. production volume), and changing out tooling before it wears out to the point of no longer meeting production tolerances is just advocating wastefulness (=cost increases, even if marginal). So, for the sake of a part that is never seen outside of cleaning your water block, you would advocate lower production volumes and higher prices. Sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me. Water cooling gear is already expensive enough.
ThrashZoneHi,
Just slop in the cnc machine or object being machined is not stationary enough or both.
The scale of those imperfections is likely a few micrometers, so it might not be realistic for production of the scale of EK (relatively big, but not true mass production) to tune things to this degree. And as long as it doesn't harm performance or affect yields, why bother putting time and money into fixing it?

The old aphorism of not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good is quite applicable here.
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#28
ThrashZone
Valantar
Their milling paths are no doubt optimized for speed (i.e. production volume), and changing out tooling before it wears out to the point of no longer meeting production tolerances is just advocating wastefulness (=cost increases, even if marginal). So, for the sake of a part that is never seen outside of cleaning your water block, you would advocate lower production volumes and higher prices. Sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me. Water cooling gear is already expensive enough.

The scale of those imperfections is likely a few micrometers, so it might not be realistic for production of the scale of EK (relatively big, but not true mass production) to tune things to this degree. And as long as it doesn't harm performance or affect yields, why bother putting time and money into fixing it?

The old aphorism of not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good is quite applicable here.
Hi,
Would you hold the same view if you received something milled like this or is this also perfectly fine ?
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#29
Valantar
ThrashZoneHi,
Would you hold the same view if you received something milled like this or is this also perfectly fine ?
Obviously not. But then there's quite a difference between a non-functional part (majority of the copper in a water block) having minor, invisible cosmetic issues, and the core functional part (microfins) having functional issues like that. Whatever that was that you posted, it should never have passed QC.

That, my friend, is what we call a false equivalence.
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#30
thesmokingman
ValantarObviously not. But then there's quite a difference between a non-functional part (majority of the copper in a water block) having minor, invisible cosmetic issues, and the core functional part (microfins) having functional issues like that. Whatever that was that you posted, it should never have passed QC.

That, my friend, is what we call a false equivalence.
No, that's just you making excuses.
ValantarTheir milling paths are no doubt optimized for speed (i.e. production volume), and changing out tooling before it wears out to the point of no longer meeting production tolerances is just advocating wastefulness (=cost increases, even if marginal). So, for the sake of a part that is never seen outside of cleaning your water block, you would advocate lower production volumes and higher prices. Sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me. Water cooling gear is already expensive enough.

The scale of those imperfections is likely a few micrometers, so it might not be realistic for production of the scale of EK (relatively big, but not true mass production) to tune things to this degree. And as long as it doesn't harm performance or affect yields, why bother putting time and money into fixing it?

The old aphorism of not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good is quite applicable here.
Wastefulness? Like I could give a shit how much material waste they create that is recycled anyways. You pay for craftsmanship not reduction in shavings.

It's incredible that anyone can defend this crap. Bylski has better milling than EK lmao.
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#31
Valantar
thesmokingmanNo, that's just you making excuses.


Wastefulness? Like I could give a shit how much material waste they create that is recycled anyways. You pay for craftsmanship not reduction in shavings.

It's incredible that anyone can defend this crap. Bylski has better milling than EK lmao.
Making excuses? Lolwut? So you're actually arguing that a purely cosmetic (but also invisible) "issue" with zero performance impact is the same as a microfin array with serious manufacturing issues that would cause dramatic performance issues? Are you kidding? As I said, that is the very definition of a false equivalence.

Also, how on earth would I be talking about material waste? Swapping out tooling while it's still able to reliably produce parts that are within spec is wasteful. Is it a big deal? Obviously not. But avoiding unnecessary waste is still a good thing.

I'm not specifically defending EK, I'm pointing out that you're making a huge fuss over meaningless details with zero effect on any of the functional aspects of the product (and not even any on the aesthetics, seeing how none of this is visible!), while heaping on assumptions that this is due to laziness or poor craftsmanship when there are other more reasonable explanations for choosing to proceed in that manner.
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#32
thesmokingman
ValantarMaking excuses? Lolwut? So you're actually arguing that a purely cosmetic (but also invisible) "issue" with zero performance impact is the same as a microfin array with serious manufacturing issues that would cause dramatic performance issues? Are you kidding? As I said, that is the very definition of a false equivalence.

Also, how on earth would I be talking about material waste? Swapping out tooling while it's still able to reliably produce parts that are within spec is wasteful. Is it a big deal? Obviously not. But avoiding unnecessary waste is still a good thing.

I'm not specifically defending EK, I'm pointing out that you're making a huge fuss over meaningless details with zero effect on any of the functional aspects of the product (and not even any on the aesthetics, seeing how none of this is visible!), while heaping on assumptions that this is due to laziness or poor craftsmanship when there are other more reasonable explanations for choosing to proceed in that manner.
Ah wrong dude, that shit is out of spec. The tooling marks are left behind because the tooling is very worn out. Proper milling doesn't leave markings that you can feel with your touch. They are cutting costs by using tooling that's way worn out.
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#33
Steamroller
thesmokingmanAh wrong dude, that shit is out of spec. The tooling marks are left behind because the tooling is very worn out. Proper milling doesn't leave markings that you can feel with your touch. They are cutting costs by using tooling that's way worn out.
The tooling marks on the EK blocks are intentional. EK is using a different nickel plating process which does not fill gaps as ordinary nickel plating does. That is the reason why the marks are so visible on nickel plated stuff. The backplates have even more visible marks, again very intentional. This gives products a texture. EK could easily do it differently, if they wanted to.
Ask their support or marketing team and you will get the same answer.

Its idiotic to say the marks are because of worn tooling if every single product has it.
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#34
Valantar
thesmokingmanAh wrong dude, that shit is out of spec. The tooling marks are left behind because the tooling is very worn out. Proper milling doesn't leave markings that you can feel with your touch. They are cutting costs by using tooling that's way worn out.
Have you seen the non-visible parts of any CNC milled high-end consumer product, like an Apple or Dell laptop chassis? Milling marks galore. That's how you do high-volume machining: material removal first, surface finishing second and only where necessary. The approach you're describing is slow, wasteful (time, energy, tooling) and inefficient. Milling marks do not indicate worn-out tooling, it indicates imperfect tooling or setup. Imperfect does not mean out of spec, nor does it mean non-functional or insufficient. And as was mentioned above, nickel plating makes even the smallest imperfection extremely visible. Also, are you able to feel a photo with your fingers? 'Cause this whole debate is based on photos of EK prototypes ...

These aren't medical devices, high-end industrial machine parts, aerospace or space travel parts, or anything else requiring those kinds of tolerances.

For the n'th time: unless this has an actually noticeable effect on flow and thermals, it doesn't matter whatsoever, and we should all be thankful that EK doesn't prioritize "perfection" including the inevitable 50-100% price jump that would include.
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#35
Mixer
When I asked for the case ETA, EK said that the case won't be released because of lack of interest and demand. It will only be used for showcases.
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#36
VSG
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MixerWhen I asked for the case ETA, EK said that the case won't be released because of lack of interest and demand. It will only be used for showcases.
Not sure who you spoke to, but I just asked Attila and he said the cases are still on, they are searching for the optimal manufacturer now.
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