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Chrispy_Hardly surprising.

Can't buy Renoir (no stock)
Can't buy Ryzen 5000-series (no stock)
Can't buy Radeon 6000-series (no stock)
Can't buy Radeon 5000-series (no stock)
Can't buy a single AMD laptop with more than 8GB soldered, un-upgradeable RAM (no design wins)

It's truly sad how if I want a decent laptop I have to go Intel. Such cripplingly-bad specs preventing any AMD laptops from being worth buying.
It really shouldn't be that hard to find a 12-month old processor with 16GB dual-channel RAM and a display that isn't a better fit for the sub-$500 entry-level compromise models, but it is. In many cases, it's not even that there's no stock, it's that the OEM (Acer, Asus, HP, Lenovo) simply don't even offer anything that meets those pretty ordinary, exactly-what-anyone-sensible-would-be-looking-for criteria.

MikeSnowLooking at the latest Steam hardware survey, AMD seems to be growing its CPU usage share among gamers:



So, I'm guessing the "can find any AMD CPU's for sale" claims are a tiny bit exaggerated.

TurmaniaThis is AMD for you, make a great product but nowhere to be sold.

renz496yeah i think some people think intel are back with their old tactic. but seeing the supply constrained that AMD are having this time intel does not even to waste their resource to really bribe OEM. they just need to let things happen. sooner or later it will start going to hit AMD hard.

medi01Note that this is largely DIY market, which is only about 1/6th of the total.
Lion's hare is on OEMs hands.

And they do shit like this:
www.notebookcheck.net/Polish-source-claims-Nvidia-and-Intel-worked-together-to-block-the-marketing-of-premium-AMD-Ryzen-4000-laptops-with-high-end-GPUs-in-2020.515615.0.html


Oh, tone down BS please.
AMD is not in fab business for many years and it just happened to roll out new:
1) APUs for major consoles
2) BIG GPUs
3) New CPU cores

all at once.

German site has both in stock, although, not sure what people would say about pricing:

kapone32You mean like securing 7nm orders from TSMC.

Intel was being outsold up to 6 to 1 in the newest consumer market (Germany). You can buy any AMD CPUs from Germany and some of the companies provide free world wide shipping too. What I see for the last quarter was as Xmas loomed and interest in PC hit a fever pitch many pre built PCs that had been sitting in inventory for months were gobbled up by parents of adolescents and some PC lovers. As evidence, (before it became known), when the 3000 series and 6000 series launched one could buy a mid range Gaming PC for the cost of a 3080. The consoles are probably the biggest drag on supply but we are starting to see supply improve. It would seem the 5600X is becoming easier to acquire.

RandallFlaggSo 5600X costs about the same as a 10900K? I suppose that is one way to make sure you keep stock on hand.

RandallFlaggSo the 10700K and the 5600X trade blows

RandallFlaggwith the 10700K winning in most productivity scenarios.

RandallFlaggYou are talking about one retailer in Germany selling individual chips to DIY people. You do realize that 99% of chip sales are in an actual functioning computer right?

I mean, if I told you that 95% of the engines sold by Advance Auto Parts were Chevrolet smallblock V8s, would you then conclude that 95% of the automobile engines sold on the planet were GM? Cause that is exactly the kind of logic you are using.

medi01Welp, MSRP of $299 sold for... 350 Euros is hardly something unusual.

I am not sure what makes 10900k, a $470 CPU cost "the same" (or where).
Definitely not on the same German site:





That could be had for a bit less than 5600x (I'd still go with the latter, but oh well)




No. 10700k edges about 7% in multi threaded:



And 12% some in single threaded scenarios



www.computerbase.de/2020-11/amd-ryzen-5000-test/5/#abschnitt_multicoreszenarien

While consuming 1.77 Times more energy at full load.
Hardly something to opt for.

kapone32The DIY argument does not apply as I already established that earlier besides every PS5 and Xbox1 is an AM4 computer. Do you want me to use Amazon? I used Germany because AMD is so focused on Germany that I got a 1900x for $225 CAD including customs in early 2020 from Grooves Land. In fact Grooves land seems to be a Searsesque store with a huge variety of AMD processors. I can find AMD CPUs being sold for retail that you can only buy from Ebay or through the nose from 3rd party sellers here in North America. Even CPUs like the 3500X were available and the Server chips. If a general retailer has that much choice imagine a focused one and you will get why. There is also the fact that due to the dynamics of the late 20th century Germany is in a position through reconstruction (therefore mass employment) to have a population with more disposable income. The fact remains that AMD is still selling every piece of hardware they have.

RandallFlaggWe can all cherry pick bechmarks dude. Be a little more honest.

1080P gaming:


CPU overall :





If you are buying chips you are talking about DIY. Most people do not build their own PC, this is fact. 85% of the entire PC market is from just 7 OEMs none of whom sell chips outside of server chips. This is also a fact. The remaining 15% is not all DIY, it's comprised of DIY + smaller OEM/SI's like iBuyPower, CyberPowerPC, MSI etc. You are talking about a low single digit percentage of the market. It is a false comparison.

RandallFlaggWe can all cherry pick bechmarks dude. Be a little more honest.

1080P gaming:


CPU overall :





If you are buying chips you are talking about DIY. Most people do not build their own PC, this is fact. 85% of the entire PC market is from just 7 OEMs none of whom sell chips outside of server chips. This is also a fact. The remaining 15% is not all DIY, it's comprised of DIY + smaller OEM/SI's like iBuyPower, CyberPowerPC, MSI etc. You are talking about a low single digit percentage of the market. It is a false comparison.

kapone32I understand everything you are saying but the thread is titled "Intel claws back market share". Which means that AMD (through DIY) was making inroads in the total market share in 2020 until the 4th Quarter(Black Friday,Xmas). My argument is that it is due to pre-builts which as I said were 10 to 1 Intel based whether desktop or laptop is why that happened.

RandallFlagg1080P gaming:

RandallFlaggThe 2% or so of the market that is DIY is

RandallFlaggAMD has a good 50%+ of the overall DIY market.

RandallFlaggWe'll get back to you AMD. Hello Intel.

medi01TPU's review was baffling for 5000 series, it used slower RAM and got figures CONSISTENTLY worse than those of other reputable reviewers.
computerbase just one of them.



www.computerbase.de/2020-11/amd-ryzen-5000-test/4/#abschnitt_amd_ryzen_vs_intel_core_in_1080p


About 16%.


Judging by figures on mindfactory, about 80%

illliSo I'm curious, if AMD is constrained by the limitations of TSMC, how exactly would they be able to gain more market share? TSMC only has so much they can supply, which is split between many companies vying for their services vs intel, which can dedicate all their fabs to spitting out as much CPU as they can/want. Other than maybe going to Samsung, or something, but would that even help all that much?

ZoneDymotrue but what doesnt make sense is that most prebuild pc's were intel based

RandallFlaggNo. Intel gained in both mobile and desktop market share. However, both companies are apparently shipping more units than ever before - AMD just got tapped out and can't make more. This was really evident in the Intel / AMD earnings reports, where overall sales went up +26% but Intel specifically shipped +33% more units - meaning it increased shipments more than the overall market increased.

I would bet this will be the same scene in Q1, perhaps even worse for AMD as they reportedly had 70-80% of their Q4 TSMC capacity mapped to PS5/Xbox. Their Q4 sales would mostly reflect what they got from TSMC / GloFlo in Q3, so Q1 is going to reflect that Q4 allocation.

Also - at least in Q4 - they likely had plenty of Zen 2 parts left to sell. Those are appear to be getting rarer now, meaning they have even less to sell. I would not expect to see AMD's supply situation let up until Q2 at the earliest.

Edit: I would like to see how the Macbook Air / Pro M1 is doing in market share. These are two of the most popular laptops on the planet, their switch to M1 should be having an impact.

Arc1t3ctIntel has higher volumes, pricing flexibility and long standing enforced partnerships with OEMs.

londisteEspecially when talking Ryzen 5000 series, Intel also has the price advantage.

RandallFlaggI think it is 100% due to pre-built OEM systems. The 2% or so of the market that is DIY is really almost irrelevant in the current market is all I'm getting at. And I would even agree that AMD has a good 50%+ of the overall DIY market. At the same time, I would say more than 95% of posters on this forum have DIY rigs. So basically, AMD is doing really well in the segment where 95% of people who post here are active, but that doesn't mean squat in the other 98% of the market.

In fact, I'd say the main reason to supply DIY supply chain has more to do with marketing - the DIY crowd and the sites like TPU, AT, Toms etc that cater to 'us' collectively - are very vocal. Just to illustrate, at this moment in the forums, look what the ratio of known users to guests is :

Total: 12,545 (members: 176, guests: 12,369)

I wouldn't even doubt that Rocket Lake for example, will mostly be sold to smaller SI's, retail DIY outlets, and the big OEM specialty rigs like Omen and Alienware. That's good for us no doubt, and would be a lot more than AMD has done with Zen 3, but I recognize it for what it is - halo products for marketing purposes.

kapone32Totally agreed, thanks for expanding on your point, that's what 10 years of dominance means. There is no doubt that AMD owns mindshare in the CPU space now but Intel owns the supply chain. Another word for marketing is propoganda.