zenlasermanAnyway, hate em or not, at least miners are doing something productive with all those billions of transistors. This is just my utilitarian POV.

Lol, at "productive".

zenlasermanI find this funny because a simple parameter adjustment would result in:

"Says the gamer crying about his eyecandy.
Does he know his greed for Ultra settings is his problem and self induced, he doesn't need a new GPU?"

IMO, gamers are often some of the most selfish people - think about it tho, a gamer just stares at screen wasting time and electricity for own entertainment at the expense of real accomplishments that may benefit society. Also, it's rather horrifying how much extra electricity is wasted between Low settings on RX460/1060 and Ultra settings on 6900/3090 to play the same game.
We went to the moon with less computing power. I find myself thinking about these things as I grow older. I've been gaming on/off since Ataris in 1980, btw.
Meanwhile, I'm glad my trusty RX570 still does the job lol

Anyway, hate em or not, at least miners are doing something productive with all those billions of transistors. This is just my utilitarian POV.

The fundamental problem with that is you can change that parameter into anything if you gloss over the value of 'people doing things to entertain themselves'.

Did you know that 'playing' is the primary, most fundamental tool humans have to get around in life? To test things, to experiment, to grow as a person.

www.healthline.com/health/the-importance-of-play

Don't even for a second think this also doesn't apply to later age groups. In fact, a much heard statement of people no longer 'being without worry' is that they forgot how to play. We can 'vent' by playing. We can lose stress. Escape reality. Not get so stressed out that we find ourselves grabbing the kitchen knife to solve a problem, in some cases.

Now, place that in the perspective of 'productiveness' mining a wasteful speculative box of hot air - not one that reduces stress but rather increases it as your investments become too big to fail.

Greed isn't good for anything or anyone and more money never made anyone happier. If you have enough, you don't need to mine for more, and if you don't have enough, using what you have to start mining is risky business no one recommends.

I wonder if you truly investigated your POV.

Caring1Lol, at "productive".

The guy said it's paying for his house. If that not productive, what is?

Though if we go down that route, gaming used to be productive for me, in the sense that it allowed me to disconnect for a while (almost never played anything competitive), so I could be productive the next day. So it's rather subjective in the end.

as regards being productive i recon the person who uses a gpu to earn money from mining is gonna win this one hands down.. he he

lets face it high end gaming gpus are a luxury that many cannot afford in the first place.. they are not an essential..

trog

trog100as regards being productive i recon the person who uses a gpu to earn money from mining is gonna win this one hands down.. he he

lets face it high end gaming gpus are a luxury that many cannot afford in the first place.. they are not an essential..

trog

I'm pretty sure even people who can afford a high end GPU (or several) don't buy them. Precisely because they're not essential and the return on investment isn't there for most.

But this isn't particular to GPUs, most (all?) high-end products are like that.

bugI'm pretty sure even people who can afford a high end GPU (or several) don't buy them. Precisely because they're not essential and the return on investment isn't there for most.

But this isn't particular to GPUs, most (all?) high-end products are like that.

If you consider what you said, return on investment, basically it's not just graphics that are not essential. The entire computer isn't if you only play games (not working) on it or surf internet. You can do both on a cell phone (which may not be essential either) or not do it at all. This comes down to what essential actually is for each person and we should look at it individually.

ratirtIf you consider what you said, return on investment, basically it's not just graphics that are not essential. The entire computer isn't if you only play games (not working) on it or surf internet. You can do both on a cell phone (which may not be essential either) or not do it at all. This comes down to what essential actually is for each person and we should look at it individually.

True, but let's face it: you can't function properly in the society today without a computer (in one form or another).

bugTrue, but let's face it: you can't function properly in the society today without a computer (in one form or another).

I know what you are coming at but i think it's not entirely true. You can't function properly in the society without Internet access, social media, public portals etc. and you don't specifically need a computer for that. On the other hand, maybe you can function without it?

the only real truth here is that graphics cards wanted by gamers or miners are gonna cost (at least) double what some people think they should..

this situation aint gonna change for quite some time.. its something we have to live with..

trog

RJARRRPCGPIf it's like the PNY GTX 960 I was using, you need to crank the fan up or it will be near 85 C.

Its KFA2, the fan controller went wild a year ago (the fan was always on 100%), so i removed the stock fans and shroud, and ziptied a 120mm fan that is always on 100% (cannot hear it) on it.

bugThe guy said it's paying for his house. If that not productive, what is?

True but a drug dealer can say selling crack is to school kids is paying for his house while being extremely destructive to society. Paying for his house is a him problem. Being an obstacle or solution to the current state of graphic card prices & supply, in this case the former, makes him a us problem.

dirtyferretTrue but a drug dealer can say selling crack is to school kids is paying for his house while being extremely destructive to society. Paying for his house is a him problem. Being an obstacle or solution to the current state of graphic card prices & supply, in this case the former, makes him a us problem.

Poorest argument ever. Doing anything is bound to upset something, somewhere.

bugPoorest argument ever. Doing anything is bound to upset something, somewhere.

what argument?

ratirtI know what you are coming at but i think it's not entirely true. You can't function properly in the society without Internet access, social media, public portals etc. and you don't specifically need a computer for that. On the other hand, maybe you can function without it?

You can function without it, but you'll be relegated to the absolute bottom of the social ladder, you're literally turning yourself into an outcast in a way.

Some like to be there, though, and flourish because of it. For some people less really is more; got a buddy who doesn't have nor want a mobile phone, but he did finally cave but only uses Signal on it :) An IT professional, go figure. Its quite something if the people in the know are ready to disconnect :) Signs of things going bad.

bugPoorest argument ever. Doing anything is bound to upset something, somewhere.

This is correct, which is why every activity needs to be priced fairly. Right now, the price is only measured in terms of 'input' - material and labor costs, some distribution of it, some margin. The price we're NOT paying, is the one that gets shoved into an ever growing climate problem. We're footing that bill to future generations, and crypto is one of the ways to accelerate that process instead of marginalize it.

This goes for many businesses. Right now we're still figuring out how to price things accordingly, with CO2 tax and all that... but what you really need, is a baseline of cost to the end user for just doing things with varying wastefulness. Its far bigger than CO2. High cost is the only way to place limitations on what people do and what they waste, and its just fine as long as people feel the system they're in, is actually fair. The current system really is not, which is why people shit all over miners. They abuse the holes in our systems.

Its a move in the absolute wrong direction and what we SHOULD have, is governments making it impossible to profit from these speculative coins, with extreme taxation. 80% seems about right.

Therefore, I can't really hate on miners, they are just using a system that was built for everyone to use. Hate your government for not stepping up and allowing companies to step in with no considerations for our future. People will always be people, greed will always exist, so we desperately need robust systems to keep us in check, and we need to control those systems with a healthy divide of power.

Vayra86You can function without it, but you'll be relegated to the absolute bottom of the social ladder, you're literally turning yourself into an outcast in a way.

Some like to be there, though, and flourish because of it. For some people less really is more; got a buddy who doesn't have nor want a mobile phone, but he did finally cave but only uses Signal on it :) An IT professional, go figure. Its quite something if the people in the know are ready to disconnect :) Signs of things going bad.

Nice one but still. He's in the IT society nonetheless and I'm sure not having a phone doesn't diminish or lower his knowledge about it. I wanted to pull that trigger myself. No phone calls no bothersome people ever on the line. How cool is that though? :)

Vayra86Some like to be there, though, and flourish because of it. For some people less really is more; got a buddy who doesn't have nor want a mobile phone, but he did finally cave but only uses Signal on it :) An IT professional, go figure. Its quite something if the people in the know are ready to disconnect :) Signs of things going bad.

Eh, do consider that maybe he doesn't need so much phone because laptop and desktop PC?

I mean, that kinda fits my case. I only have the phone for work stuff (and calling people), otherwise I'd just use the PC...

Hell, for stuff that only runs on phone, I just run BlueStacks or use Firefox's Adaptable Design mode (or whatever the name is) to simulate a phone and call it a day.

RTX 3060 driver will limit mining performance

The manufacturer also announced that the upcoming GeForce RTX 3060 will have a special driver that will automatically detect mining-specific algorithms, which will limit the hash rate by 50%. This would ensure that the RTX 3060 will only be available to gamers, not miners.

and there's that..

videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-announces-crypto-mining-processor-series-geforce-rtx-3060-driver-will-limit-mining-performance

P4-630RTX 3060 driver will limit mining performance

The manufacturer also announced that the upcoming GeForce RTX 3060 will have a special driver that will automatically detect mining-specific algorithms, which will limit the hash rate by 50%. This would ensure that the RTX 3060 will only be available to gamers, not miners.

and there's that..

videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-announces-crypto-mining-processor-series-geforce-rtx-3060-driver-will-limit-mining-performance

interesting..

trog

P4-630RTX 3060 driver will limit mining performance

The manufacturer also announced that the upcoming GeForce RTX 3060 will have a special driver that will automatically detect mining-specific algorithms, which will limit the hash rate by 50%. This would ensure that the RTX 3060 will only be available to gamers, not miners.

and there's that..

videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-announces-crypto-mining-processor-series-geforce-rtx-3060-driver-will-limit-mining-performance

Something tells me they'll just reverse engineer the driver and bypass it.

InVasManiSomething tells me they'll just reverse engineer the driver and bypass it

As Bug said in another thread:

Windows uses driver signing to prevent tampering. But of course, miners aren't forced to use Windows...

P4-630As Bug said in another thread:

Windows uses driver signing to prevent tampering. But of course, miners aren't forced to use Windows...

i am more interested in what the mining only versions end up costing..

trog

P4-630As Bug said in another thread:

Windows uses driver signing to prevent tampering. But of course, miners aren't forced to use Windows...

Forgot all about signed drivers.

my gtx 1060 3gb - 120 watts, gg, 3060 - 170 watts, no thanks, let's wait 4060, see you next year

FluffmeisterProbably doesn't help getting these ads on TPU:

Curious, no RDNA2 option.