I think the 12gb ram is because of memory bandwidth.

It doesn't help that etherium is memory intensive and this card will probably be better for mining it ....

Just praying that my 960 doesn't die before the mining buble bursts.

bugMarketing department: We don't have any of our three new GPUs to sell!
Engineering: Let us give you a fourth GPU then.
:kookoo:

Or maybe NV wants to get the miners confused. They will release so many cards that mining people will not know which one is the best to purchase and thus will hesitate. The gamers will burst through the doors of media centers across the globe and buy whatever there is to buy :)
It is a joke of course but if that was true, it would have been a plausible scenario.
I'm ok with my GPU since I got one but this year, won't be easy for any PC gamer. As long as there is an excuse option for the companies (like covid) they will try to make the best of it.
They are still selling the cards and no leftovers. Perfect scenario for every company. Whatever they produce it's sold instantly. I mean damn, NV is trying to sell their old 2000 series GPUs now.

Chloe PriceHeh, I said already that it's going to be 500EUR at least here in Finland and I was probably right.

500EUR? That's seems like a steal nowadays :p I don't even wanna know what the price will actually be.

evernessinceThere's only so many times these companies can jebait customers before they stop caring.

No, you are very likely not going to get one and certainly not at a reasonable price. Don't bother reading reviews, watching videos, or consuming related media.

Better to just wait until next gen at this point. It's painfully clear AMD and Nvidia could care less about actual customers getting their hands on product.

That is not true. For me we have to include the effects of the shutdown from March to May of 2020 as part of the current supply constraints. In particular the store I shop at limits one purchase per card period. Nvidia is more guilty of your sentiment though it would seem that the 3060 12GB is directly squared at Etherium miners.

dirtyferretThe latter is true which is why we find the current state of the market. While the AIB's might not be at fault they certainly have done little to be part of the solution raising prices far above additional tariff rates.

Is that the manufacturer or distributor?

windwhirlThat seems highly difficult to do. How would the GPU detect that the operations correspond to mining? And how would they block it or reduce its performance to horrible levels without affecting what you would call "legit operations"?

I'd discard the drivers route upfront, since there are open drivers on Linux. And I doubt anyone is gonna introduce a counter-mining piece of code just because.

AMD/Nvidia could always mine with new cards launches for a set period of time perhaps a month or so on each card in a safe profitable and controlled manner which gives them time to stability test them in the process. Basically they could take the wind out of the sails of cryptocurrency's profitability. I'd be more alright with them doing that directly than droves of random miner's doing it far more questionably and for much longer stretches of time. Effectively AMD/Nvidia could make cryptocurrency more or less unprofitable if they saturate the mining efficiency hash rate upside before launching cards to the public.

InVasManiAMD/Nvidia could always mine with new cards launches for a set period of time perhaps a month or so on each card in a safe profitable and controlled manner which gives them time to stability test them in the process. Basically they could take the wind out of the sails of cryptocurrency's profitability. I'd be more alright with them doing that directly than droves of random miner's doing it far more questionably and for much longer stretches of time. Effectively AMD/Nvidia could make cryptocurrency more or less unprofitable if they saturate the mining efficiency hash rate upside before launching cards to the public.

Not a bad idea, but:
1. mining would require a sizable number of cards, which neither can afford afford to make/stockpile
2. as an extra source of income, this would land them in legal hot water

it would take nearly three 3060 cards to equal one 3080/90 card as regards mining profits..

one single 3060 card is of very little use to a miner.. in the UK i expect the ebay price to be around £800 quid... a bit cheaper than the ti version but not a lot..

the only change here is that retailers are upping their price closer to ebay prices.. something that is bound to happen..

trog

bugNot a bad idea, but:
1. mining would require a sizable number of cards, which neither can afford afford to make/stockpile
2. as an extra source of income, this would land them in legal hot water

Sell it to a pure green energy generation company problem absolved. Using mining exclusively for something positive and it might not be so loathed in the first place.

trog100it would take nearly three 3060 cards to equal one 3080/90 card as regards mining profits..

one single 3060 card is of very little use to a miner.. in the UK i expect the ebay price to be around £800 quid... a bit cheaper than the ti version but not a lot..

the only change here is that retailers are upping their price closer to ebay prices.. something that is bound to happen..

trog

I think your calculations are off. 3060s are going to be around 40-50, 3080s are 90-100.

Of course 1 card is of very little use, that's part of the problem isn't it, they get as many cards as they can find/manage? ;)

What do you think people with mining farms full of old Polaris cards (470/480s) would buy, 100x 3080s or 100x 3060s?

evernessinceIt's painfully clear AMD and Nvidia could care less about actual customers getting their hands on product.

A year ago Nvidia's & AMD's stock price was at $296 & $59 respectively. Today both opened at around $600 and $93 (granted AMD business expands more sectors than Nvidia) so I would say their "actual" customers are happy. It's we the gaming community that are screwed.

dirtyferretA year ago Nvidia's & AMD's stock price was at $296 & $59 respectively. Today both opened at around $600 and $93 (granted AMD business expands more sectors than Nvidia) so I would say their "actual" customers are happy. It's we the gaming community that are screwed.

I couldn't agree more. This is how I see it and I can add, AMD nor NVidia care about the gamers much when there are other markets, like miners. They will order/purchase these cards in hundreds instead of just one and will not complain about the drivers all the time no matter what the actual problem with the system is. Gamers' demand about the graphics capabilities and support is huge and it's growing while the profit for the companies is negligible, a lot of hustle for them with this in comparison to other markets.
To quote NV, for every market "it just works" for gamers there is always a problem. Considering this, maybe NV and AMD knew what they were doing and they don't regret it.

dirtyferretA year ago Nvidia's & AMD's stock price was at $296 & $59 respectively. Today both opened at around $600 and $93 (granted AMD business expands more sectors than Nvidia) so I would say their "actual" customers are happy. It's we the gaming community that are screwed.

Yup. They truly don't care who buys. AMD and Nvidia got to love crypto booms... never any unsold inventory hanging around and new orders coming in all the time.

RandAlThorJust praying that my 960 doesn't die before the mining buble bursts.

If it's like the PNY GTX 960 I was using, you need to crank the fan up or it will be near 85 C.

via techspot but pretty much sums up the whole situation

Shadowboxer
I’ve got 18 on preorder. I have a friend who works at a local retailer who’s sorting me out.

I’m sorry but they make far too much money mining for me to care about crying gamers. I’ve got a mortgage to pay!

www.techspot.com/news/88633-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-launches-february-25-but.html#comments

ColddeckedI think your calculations are off. 3060s are going to be around 40-50, 3080s are 90-100.

Of course 1 card is of very little use, that's part of the problem isn't it, they get as many cards as they can find/manage? ;)

What do you think people with mining farms full of old Polaris cards (470/480s) would buy, 100x 3080s or 100x 3060s?

yes i am on the low side with my 3060 estimate.. as to what miners will buy i would say it depends on whatever they can get their hands on and how much cash they have to spend..

i have an 8 card 1070 mining rig left over from 2017.. i would love to replace them with the same number of 3060 cards or a lesser number of higher power cards but at current prices that aint gonna happen..

having said that my small crypto stash can go up or down by two or three grand overnight.. relatively speaking a few dollars made from mining dosnt seem that important.. i think spare money is better spent buying the coin directly and not on mining hardware.. something i learned the first time around..

trog

trog100yes i am on the low side with my 3060 estimate.. as to what miner will buy i would say whatever they can get their hands on and how much cash they have to spend..

i have an 8 card 1070 mining rig left over from 2017.. i would love to replace them with the same number of 3060 cards or a lesser number of higher power cards but at current prices that aint gonna happen..

having said that my small crypto stash can go up or down by two or three k overnight.. relatively speaking a few dollars made from mining dosnt seem that important.. i think spare money is better spent buying the coin directly and not on mining hardware.. something i learned the first time around..

trog

I mean, if you are starting from scratch buying the coin itself is almost certainly going to be more profitable especially if you time it right. Some people are crap traders though, like myself :(. And some people, like myself, enjoy the process of building, tuning, and maintaining a rig. IMO building a mining rig is kind of like getting paid for your hobby, which is why its appealing to me. I know its not going to make me a millionaire.

Have you kept your 1070 rig running until now? It'd be interesting to know how much that's made...

ColddeckedI mean, if you are starting from scratch buying the coin itself is almost certainly going to be more profitable especially if you time it right. Some people are crap traders though, like myself :(. And some people, like myself, enjoy the process of building, tuning, and maintaining a rig. IMO building a mining rig is kind of like getting paid for your hobby, which is why its appealing to me. I know its not going to make me a millionaire.

Have you kept your 1070 rig running until now? It'd be interesting to know how much that's made...

ColddeckedI mean, if you are starting from scratch buying the coin itself is almost certainly going to be more profitable especially if you time it right. Some people are crap traders though, like myself :(. And some people, like myself, enjoy the process of building, tuning, and maintaining a rig. IMO building a mining rig is kind of like getting paid for your hobby, which is why its appealing to me. I know its not going to make me a millionaire.

Have you kept your 1070 rig running until now? It'd be interesting to know how much that's made...

i switched it all off years back and forgot about it.. i fired it all up again a couple of months back.. i got into it because i fancied building a mining machine.. it cost me around £4000 to build.. back then that £4000 would have bought me one whole bitcoin.. he he

i watched it all go up and then all go down.. i am currently watching it all go up again.. i never sell i just hodl.. but deep down i still see it as monopoly money.. :)

i am currently running my 2080 ti desktop machine and the 8 x 1070 rig.. it varies a bit between 30 and 40 dollars per day running nicehash... the returns go into my bitcoin stash..

trog

trog100i switched it all off years back and forgot about it.. i fired it all up again a couple of months back.. i got into it because i fancied building a mining machine.. it cost me around £4000 to build.. back then that £4000 would have bought me one whole bitcoin.. he he

i watched it all go up and then all go down.. i am currently watching it all go up again.. i never sell i just hodl.. but deep down i still see it as monopoly money.. :)

trog

The problem today is (which I guess was probably said back then too), how much more can bitcoin increase? If you think it can make it to 100k, then please don't build a rig and just buy the coin. Mining, kind of hedges the bet since you can still sell the GPUs once profitability is not to your liking. In fact, you could probably recoup a decent amount of by reselling those 1070s now. I still see them going locally for 250-300 -__-

how high can bitcoin go.. the conservative estimates say 100K by the end of this year.. some say much higher i think its part of the future though so i dont expect it to crash down like the last time..

if crypto crashes gpu prices crash with it.. a 1070 maybe worth over $300 dollars now but that is only because crypto is back in fashion again.. they did go much lower.. i would not sell mine now they are still earning their keep..

also back in august 2017 one whole bitcoin could be bought for the cost of a mining machine.. you cant say the same now.. he he..

trog

spnidel3060 - 12gb
3060 ti - 8gb
3070 - 8gb
3080 - 10gb

what a fucked lineup lol

Clearly, this lady has something to say about it.

trog100how high can bitcoin go.. the conservative estimates say 100K by the end of this year.. some say much higher i think its part of the future though so i dont expect it to crash down like the last time..

if crypto crashes gpu prices crash with it.. a 1070 maybe worth over $300 dollars now but that is only because crypto is back in fashion again.. they did go much lower.. i would not sell mine now they are still earning their keep..

also back in august 2017 one whole bitcoin could be bought for the cost of a mining machine.. you cant say the same now.. he he..

trog

I don't see how it can get to 100k but I didn't think it'd reach 50k either so that shows what I know :laugh:

dirtyferretvia techspot but pretty much sums up the whole situation

Shadowboxer
I’ve got 18 on preorder. I have a friend who works at a local retailer who’s sorting me out.

I’m sorry but they make far too much money mining for me to care about crying gamers. I’ve got a mortgage to pay!

www.techspot.com/news/88633-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-launches-february-25-but.html#comments

On one hand, I hate him. On the other - cannot really blame him.

Un engaño como los demás!

Con 12gb de memoria, un reloj casi igual que una 2080 y mas cudas???... creo que esta tarjeta es para querer tapar el son con um dedo.....

Solo los desesperados e ingenuos la comprarán.......

Vya DomusIt's engineered to destroy expectations that people have for VRAM amounts and prices.

I think you might be on to something. This will silence the debate once and for all. Everyone gets 'something'... whatever it is.

Oh no, wait... we won't get anything. :D

dirtyferretShadowboxer
I’ve got 18 on preorder. I have a friend who works at a local retailer who’s sorting me out.

I’m sorry but they make far too much money mining for me to care about crying gamers. I’ve got a mortgage to pay!

Says the scalper crying about his mortgage.
Does he know his mortgage is his problem and self induced, he doesn't have to have one?
Typical self centred C#%t.

Caring1Says the scalper crying about his mortgage.
Does he know his mortgage is his problem and self induced, he doesn't have to have one?
Typical self centred C#%t.

I find this funny because a simple parameter adjustment would result in:

"Says the gamer crying about his eyecandy.
Does he know his greed for Ultra settings is his problem and self induced, he doesn't need a new GPU?"

IMO, gamers are often some of the most selfish people - think about it tho, a gamer just stares at screen wasting time and electricity for own entertainment at the expense of real accomplishments that may benefit society. Also, it's rather horrifying how much extra electricity is wasted between Low settings on RX460/1060 and Ultra settings on 6900/3090 to play the same game.
We went to the moon with less computing power. I find myself thinking about these things as I grow older. I've been gaming on/off since Ataris in 1980, btw.
Meanwhile, I'm glad my trusty RX570 still does the job lol

Anyway, hate em or not, at least miners are doing something productive with all those billions of transistors. This is just my utilitarian POV.