krukAlso, the current prices are eye-watering high. Would you buy a GPU for 1.5x-2x the MSRP? I know I wouldn't ...

I looked at some prices at my local Microcenter and I was like... WTF :wtf:

RahnakAnd why can't/won't anyone explain what's causing it? Is TSMC stretched too thin? But then aren't nvidia chips being produced by Samsung? Is there a raw materials shortage? Aren't they producing to full capacity because of covid? Can't they export all the parts because of covid? All they parrot is "massive demand". Pascal had massive demand and it wasn't a problem.

There's a number of factors.

- TSMC is basically fully booked from what I understand, and is even stretching themselves to try and help out the automotive industry.
www.reuters.com/article/us-tsmc-autos/tsmc-ramps-up-auto-chip-production-as-carmakers-wrestle-with-shortages-idUSKBN29X03F

- Shortages in raw materials as well as issues in the packaging supply chain lead to production bottlenecks
www.argusmedia.com/en/news/2184341-viewpoint-no-quick-fix-for-semiconductor-shortage?backToResults=true
semiengineering.com/shortages-challenges-engulf-packaging-supply-chain/

- The water shortages caused by the drought in Taiwan are potentially hampering production
techwireasia.com/2021/03/drought-hits-taiwan-drive-to-plug-global-chip-shortage/

- Demand for computing products skyrocketed with the global COVID-19 pandemic
"With the pandemic, demand for cell phones, laptops and other work-at-home devices and increased use of the internet have put pressure on fabs to increase the number of chips they are delivering for these products. The global automotive industry predicted that demand for cars would fall during the pandemic, so it reduced its orders for semiconductors chips used in vehicle safety, control, emissions and driver information systems. The auto industry has restarted production but is now faced with a shortage of semiconductor chips."
www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-global-computer-chip-shortage-shows-danger-of-u-s-production-trends/

With so many of AMD's products utilizing TSMC's 7nm node, it makes sense that they're struggling to put out a robust supply of one particular product.
- Splitting the chips between both new consoles, as well as Zen 2/Zen 3 CPUs, and the 5000 and 6000 series of GPUs
- Manufacturing/production shortages mentioned above
- Increased demand due to work-from-home, a larger interest in gaming due to quarantine, and products that are arguably top-tier (CPUs that beat Intel's current offerings in both single and multi-core in most instances, and GPUs that trade blows with Nvidia's Ampere line in terms of rasterization performance)

Not to mention the bots snatching up stock as soon as it's available and miners buying in large quantities. I haven't seen anything talking about AMD selling directly to miners like we've seen rumored about Nvidia, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's happening as well.

Vya DomusEvery GPU that can run OpenCL or any other GPGPU API will be good for mining.

If that was the case people would be mining on 5700 XTs. They really aren't though. Miners won't touch those cards for efficiency reasons (they suck at mining).

If you want an example of a world without mining, look at the 5700. It isn't much better off though.

So like 1 unit per 250.000 EU citizens? AMD can easily charge 5.000€ per 6700XT and collectors would still buy them all. Radeon you're rendering yourself irrelevant in EU. Better not release anything in Europe than piss off your shrinking fan base even further. I'm just sad. I've been buying Radeons since ATI times because they offered better value. But now AMDs dGPU division doesn't offer better value nor does it have technically superior product or at least better availability. Why the hell would I stick with the red team?

R-T-BIf that was the case people would be mining on 5700 XTs. They really aren't though.

I am pretty sure they are, a 5700XT gets you like 50 Mh/s, that's enough to make a profit. Hell, people are still using even old Nvidia 1000 series cards to mine.

Used to think my RX 480 is going to retirement soon, yeah it ain't happening... I just hope it doesn't die soon, iGPU fun time then it seems.

Looks like an AMD APU is going to be in the future for me if and when I decide to upgrade my rig. I just wish that they came with six cores instead of just four.

trparkyLooks like an AMD APU is going to be in the future for me if and when I decide to upgrade my rig. I just wish that they came with six cores instead of just four.

They come with 4, 6, and 8 now!

bugIt's not like Nvidia did any better with 3060. They tried to at least keep them away from miners, but it seems that did nothing for availability after all.

Yes, Nvidia "tried" the same way my wife goes to Home Goods to look around and "tries" not to spend money.

Vya DomusI am pretty sure they are, a 5700XT gets you like 50 Mh/s, that's enough to make a profit. Hell, people are still using even old Nvidia 1000 series cards to mine.

Maybe I'm out of date, but when cost of electric was a factor they were autoexcluded.

I know per mining watt they actually do worse than the 1000 series on many coins.

trparkyI looked at some prices at my local Microcenter and I was like... WTF :wtf:

Yeah, remember the days when $999 video card postings at newegg were going viral as the obvious mislabels they were?
Today it's all a big mislabel exercise.

Chrispy_They come with 4, 6, and 8 now!

Are those Zen 3 parts?

trparkyAre those Zen 3 parts?

No, they're Renoir (Zen "2.1", effectively Zen2 architecture, but monolithic die providing all 6/8 cores with a unified L3 cache which means that they're kind of sort of maybe better than the equivalent Zen part.

The R5 Pro 4650G for around €250/$275 is the most readily available with a 65W TDP, 6C/12T and Vega7 which is reasonably potent by current AMD APU standards.

bugTL;DR If one website sold 670 units in the past, a few thousand for the entire continent is a lot. Right?

That is for one of the richer country in EU and Mindfactory is not small retailer. And few thousand is lot for AMD at launch.

IceShroomThat is for one of the richer country in EU and Mindfactory is not small retailer. And few thousand is lot for AMD at launch.

Not small, got it.
ecommercedb.com/en/store/mindfactory.de

AMD and Nvidia's compliance with Scalping the many to supply the few has to end. These elitist low yield cards have to go they aren't good for gaming as a whole and create a power vacuum and hinder greater access to more people broadening gaming at a more fair and equal and level playing field.

"AMD to Supply Only a Few Thousand Radeon RX 6700 XT GPUs for Europe at Launch"

Replace AMD with TSMC and AIB

dirtyferret

Four water pistols at once? Didn't you realise there's a one-per-customer order limit?!

NightUsed to think my RX 480 is going to retirement soon, yeah it ain't happening... I just hope it doesn't die soon, iGPU fun time then it seems.

lol ya same boat. Just built a PC for daughter, used an AMD R5 3400G. Integrated graphics until whenever..............................

Chrispy_Four water pistols at once? Didn't you realise there's a one-per-customer order limit?!

fairly certain the water pistols are a paper launch

dirtyferretfairly certain the water pistols are a paper launch

My bad, I didn't spot that it was a marketing render rather than a photo of the final product.

Vya DomusI am pretty sure they are, a 5700XT gets you like 50 Mh/s, that's enough to make a profit. Hell, people are still using even old Nvidia 1000 series cards to mine.

my 1080 is the only card I can afford to play with.

good111000 VGA :peace:

900 to Miner :mad: and 100 to Gamer :(

:)

nfineonAMD supplied MILLIONS of chips for PS5 and XBOX in just the past year alone but can only supply a few thousand of their own (more profitable) chips for worldwide distribution huh. Something doesn't add up, are they also selling their inventory directly to mining operators? 2,000 cards for all of Europe at launch is considered significantly more inventory? lets say they supply 2,000 every week for 1 year, that's 108,000 cards for the EU market meanwhile they will have supplied millions of chips for consoles in that same period for the lowest possible negotiated profit margins.

I want to know exactly how many cards they are putting into the Retail and AIB channels because I suspect most of these cards are never making it to market, they are being siphoned out somewhere either by direct-to-miners agreements or aib-to-miners loopholes as none of us are seeing ANY of these cards.

1) It's Igorsk, so, uh oh, doh
2) Mindfactory alone sells about 500 hundred RDNA2 GPUs ever week

So, yeah, does not add up.

AMDs availability so far on GPUs has been worst than Nvidia.

ratirtStarting to think, buying a 6900xt wasn't a bad idea now. I got the card, got a new monitor. I'm basically covered for a while. Especially, if I can see now that the situation with the cards is not going to improve soon and the prices will go up even more. Bummer.

You got the 1 and only 6900xt they made. Sell it for $1 Million