Tuesday, June 15th 2021

Windows 11 ISO Leaks to the Web, New Start Screen, Mac-like Centered Dock, Rounded Edges

Alleged screenshots of Microsoft's upcoming operating system, the Windows 11, were leaked to the web ahead of its June 24 unveiling. The screenshots reveal a user interface that has several tie-ins with the current Windows 10, although enough is there to set it apart. For starters, the Start "menu" (if you can call it that), looks less like a menu, and more like a pop-out window with icons and actions, much like the macOS Finder. Icons pinned to the taskbar or open, are centered. The clock and system tray is still where it should be.

Windows Explorer features a familiar ribbon-type user interface, although there are changes to the icons. It's laid out exactly like in Windows 10. A thing to notice here is the window theme itself, which is single-tone, and with rounded edges. The "News and Interests" menu that surfaced in the recent Windows 10 update is more full-featured. User interface is only a fraction of what makes up a Windows major version, and Windows 11 is said to feature major under-the-hood changes, such as a new scheduler that's better suited for the upcoming hybrid x86 core processors from Intel and AMD.
Source: The Verge
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243 Comments on Windows 11 ISO Leaks to the Web, New Start Screen, Mac-like Centered Dock, Rounded Edges

#176
lexluthermiester
Having spent a few hours using it, I can say without fear of contradiction that this version is not ready for prime-time daily use. It also seems to be going in the direction of further removing some fine-grained controls. For example, the page-file controls seem to be completely missing. Can't use OpenShell with it either. In it's current form it seems like more Microsoft f#$kery.

However, this is an alpha build, so final judgement is not warranted.
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#177
Dr. Dro
lexluthermiesterHaving spent a few hours using it, I can say without fear of contradiction that this version is not ready for prime-time daily use. It also seems to be going in the direction of further removing some fine-grained controls. For example, the page-file controls seem to be completely missing. Can't use OpenShell with it either. In it's current form it seems like more Microsoft f#$kery.

However, this is an alpha build, so final judgement is not warranted.
So odd that you're running into that problem, the pagefile controls are present on my system. Typing "system settings" on the search box will bring up the "view advanced system settings" window immediately. The link is also in the same place you'd find it in Windows 10 otherwise, Settings > System > About and on the sidebar, or through Windows key+X.



I must say, I haven't had the slightest issue with it so far.
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#178
lexluthermiester
Dr. DroSo odd that you're running into that problem, the pagefile controls are present on my system. Typing "system settings" on the search box will bring up the "view advanced system settings" window immediately. The link is also in the same place you'd find it in Windows 10 otherwise, Settings > System > About and on the sidebar, or through Windows key+X.



I must say, I haven't had the slightest issue with it so far.
Hmm. Maybe it was one of the tweaks I made... I'll test what happens when I reverse it.

EDIT: Yup, that was it... That's going to take some experimentation to figure out.
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#179
Tom Sunday
What ever the case maybe....any Windows 10 upgrade or proffered Microsoft OS improvement (as big or as small it may look) is geared towards extracting more user information more cleverly and more quickly. It's all about the money and nothing is free. Nor ever will be. Continued "live flowing" informatiion is money and power and here to stay. This will never change and as we continue to be the product. Sorry for the gloom and doom but reality always bites.
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#180
lexluthermiester
Tom SundayWhat ever the case maybe....any Windows 10 upgrade or proffered Microsoft OS improvement (as big or as small it may look) is geared towards extracting more user information more cleverly and more quickly. It's all about the money and nothing is free. Nor ever will be. Continued "live flowing" informatiion is money and power and here to stay. This will never change and as we continue to be the product. On a somewhat related matter my Priest aproached me last Sunday wanting to know when I last confessed. Sorry for the gloom and doom but reality always bites.
I have not seen anything that would indicate 11 is doing any more spying than 10. It takes the exact same methods to disable all of it and the services don't have anything extra running. There are a few things changed around but that's all.
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#181
johnp
Besides Windows privacy issues (I have not searched what privacy data it sends, with all settings disabled), I must mention that Microsoft always has to improve Windows, even if Windows is great (like Windows 7).

This is the way companies work, they want to provide new products and get additional money.

For example, today I read about the new Sound Blaster x4 which builds on the successful Sound Blaster x3.

Even if a product is successful, they have to keep creating even better products.
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#182
ps000000
I am waiting how to uncombine group tasks in the taskbar in Windows 11.
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#183
halo9
This seems like nothing more than a marketing stunt by M$ to stay relevant in the market. Just look at all trolling tech ads coming out between the big players, M$ vs Apple, intel vs Apple, everyone vs Apple, lol. All now competing for top spot. How do you stay relevant in the market? Keep bringing stuff out. Recall a few years ago when all news was on AMD and Zen 1/2/3, what was intel bringing out, nothing, but their marketing and PR teams, almost daily press releases about “new” stuff. It even infected TPU.

We don’t even know what build this leaked ISO is, so I’m not getting caught up in it until an offical build is out. Though it does appear from all the negative comments online that it is an early build as there are many issues still to iron out. But from what can be seen it does seem, at least to me, a half baked attempt to refresh the UI and change the version number as underlying all that it is still Windows 10. Why the change? Marketing, relevance, etc. Gotta appear to be on their game.

Consider this though, Mac OS X (X = 10 of course) came out in 2001 and stayed at version 10 with yearly updates until 2015. What happened in 2015… Windows 10 came out and M$ announced this is the “last version of windows”. So what did Apple do, in 2016 they renamed OSX to macOS, ditch the 10. Marketing, differentiation. Skip a few years ahead and in 2020 Apple releases macOS Big Sur but more importantly it was the first version in nearly 20 years to jump a full version number and became macOS 11. Less than a year later the “last” version of Windows is being updated to version 11. Maybe coincidence, but these are big companies run by marketing departments. It’s all about getting it out there, the money and the “product” will catch up when enough people complain. Look at windows 8/8.1 and the first few years of Windows 10. I don’t believe this was a planned OS update, I believe it was a reaction to the market. A market that’s upset intel with the M1 release and we all know intel and M$ go hand in hand. These are “games” way above our pay grades.

Disclosure I run intel/windows systems and don’t use macs.
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#184
CountMike
halo9This seems like nothing more than a marketing stunt by M$ to stay relevant in the market. Just look at all trolling tech ads coming out between the big players, M$ vs Apple, intel vs Apple, everyone vs Apple, lol. All now competing for top spot. How do you stay relevant in the market? Keep bringing stuff out. Recall a few years ago when all news was on AMD and Zen 1/2/3, what was intel bringing out, nothing, but their marketing and PR teams, almost daily press releases about “new” stuff. It even infected TPU.

We don’t even know what build this leaked ISO is, so I’m not getting caught up in it until an offical build is out. Though it does appear from all the negative comments online that it is an early build as there are many issues still to iron out. But from what can be seen it does seem, at least to me, a half baked attempt to refresh the UI and change the version number as underlying all that it is still Windows 10. Why the change? Marketing, relevance, etc. Gotta appear to be on their game.

Consider this though, Mac OS X (X = 10 of course) came out in 2001 and stayed at version 10 with yearly updates until 2015. What happened in 2015… Windows 10 came out and M$ announced this is the “last version of windows”. So what did Apple do, in 2016 they renamed OSX to macOS, ditch the 10. Marketing, differentiation. Skip a few years ahead and in 2020 Apple releases macOS Big Sur but more importantly it was the first version in nearly 20 years to jump a full version number and became macOS 11. Less than a year later the “last” version of Windows is being updated to version 11. Maybe coincidence, but these are big companies run by marketing departments. It’s all about getting it out there, the money and the “product” will catch up when enough people complain. Look at windows 8/8.1 and the first few years of Windows 10. I don’t believe this was a planned OS update, I believe it was a reaction to the market. A market that’s upset intel with the M1 release and we all know intel and M$ go hand in hand. These are “games” way above our pay grades.

Disclosure I run intel/windows systems and don’t use macs.
Best way is to try it in a VM at least, it doesn't bYte
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#186
lexluthermiester
CountMikeBest way is to try it in a VM at least, it doesn't bYte
No the best way to try it is on real hardware.
WirkoBut doesn't it munch up a licence? It's eight dollars apiece!
So buy another. Then you'll have one for 10 and one for 11.
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#188
Lycanwolfen
Microsoft made more money when they gave users the choice of what they installed. Windows 98SE and Windows 7 you could uninstall the bloat the junk and customize your OS to your tastes. Now more and more Microsoft is becomming the John Deer of OS's. Everything is controled by them no choice of whats installed. Reminds me of the Ford Model T keep building the same product over and over no changes. MS is just pushing people to Linux or other platforms because no one wants a OS they have no control over. The Edge OS they should call this one because 90% of it is running on a Chromium platform. Heck Google should just make chromium not open source and charge money for there platform then MS would have to pay google for every Windows 11 sold. Also the latest build needs TPM 2.0 which is almost like Apple with there security chips inside there Computers that ties there MacOS to a hardware chip. MS never learns. Your customers are your money if you do not listen to their demands they will leave for something better. This is why I still run Windows 10 LTSC which I have full control over the OS and what it does. Also no Store no cortana and No Edge Period!. For all the people that work at Microsoft what if the company told you when buying a car you only get one choice a Honda Civic and no choice of color, wheels, seats, stereo, warrenty options, or anything. I quite sure you would refuse that in a heartbeat. Then why in the hell are you making an Operating System like that!?
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#189
lexluthermiester
CountMikeLol, you need no license for this, it will last at least until MS releases for good.
Incorrect. A key is not required for installation, but it is to use many of the OS system settings.
LycanwolfenNow more and more Microsoft is becoming the John Deer of OS's.
No one can argue that, and it's NOT a good thing.
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#190
CountMike
lexluthermiesterIncorrect. A key is not required for installation, but it is to use many of the OS system settings.

No one can argue that, and it's NOT a good thing.
There was always "medicine" for that.
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#191
bobbybluz
I finally downloaded an 11 ESD last night but haven't converted it into an .iso yet. I have plenty of spare SSD's to try it on in one of my test mules. Just my own unrequested opinion but M$ should do a redeaux of 7 with the later improved memory management of 8/8.1 & 10. Go back to Areo, get rid of the tinker-toy cell phone look of the later OS's, concentrate on security and system performance. Trim the bloat out ala Enterprise LTSC and make a true enthusiasts version as well as a totally dumbed-down version for their main target market.
CountMikeThere was always "medicine" for that.
***cough cough "Aargh, matey" lololol***
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#192
PapaTaipei
Dumb frontpage bar looks like a mobile app. Not suited for desktop work.
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#193
CountMike
PapaTaipeiDumb frontpage bar looks like a mobile app. Not suited for desktop work.
"Front page" ??
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#194
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
CountMike"Front page" ??
thats gotta be a language barrier

Papa: It's the Task Bar in english
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#196
lexluthermiester
GlowingPotatoit sucks.
No it doesn't. It is no worse than Windows 10 and in a few ways a bit better.
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#197
SKD007
I did not even want to try it if this is how it look. Its a shame microsoft is copying Mac which is a shame. Also it will be easy for win11 users to migrate to mac due to similarity.. its important for Ms to stick to its root so that they have the advantage of familiarity
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#198
CountMike
saikamaldossI did not even want to try it if this is how it look. Its a shame microsoft is copying Mac which is a shame. Also it will be easy for win11 users to migrate to mac due to similarity.. its important for Ms to stick to its root so that they have the advantage of familiarity
Everybody is "stealing" from everybody else, whole GUI has a single origin. There are certain trends they are al following.
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#199
lexluthermiester
saikamaldossIts a shame microsoft is copying Mac which is a shame.
You need to take a closer look and reserve judgment until after it's in a more finished state. I've actually used it. The UI is not at all MACish.. And yes, I use MacOS regularly.
CountMikewhole GUI has a single origin.
Yup, Xerox.
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#200
claes
Gotta agree with @lexluthermiester for once. Really, if you’ve ever used a Mac, there is no similarity whatsoever between the dock and the start bar. Your average Windows user will face a significant learning curve moving to a Mac (and vice-versa).

Still disappointed in @btarunr’s comparison... So many uninformed posts unnecessarily invoking MacOS because of a bad take! The start menu is like the finder? I think you meant file explorer or whatever it’s called now, which has always been similar across almost every OS.
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