WirkoWhat happens if you do install Windows 10 with an account created just for this purpose, then burn the account?

Hi,
Endless loop of create a ms account
Already got a taste earlier with the get more out of windows crapola at login to create or use ms account so more of the same except no getting out of it now lol

No big deal so 21h1 will be the last 10 build thank goodness no more build mounting :clap:

ahhhh absolutely not

I guess that's one way to collect an entire planet's worth of fake names and numbers using disposable emails addresses.
The people who refused to make a Microsoft account the last 30 times aren't going to be pursuaded otherwise by this move.

"Windows 11 ... will be offered as a free upgrade for existing Windows 10 users."

upgrade: raise (something) to a higher standard, in particular, improve (equipment or machinery) by adding or replacing components.

So I guess the word upgrade is being used in an ironic sense?

Chrispy_I guess that's one way to collect an entire planet's worth of fake names and numbers using disposable emails addresses.
The people who refused to make a Microsoft account the last 30 times aren't going to be pursuaded otherwise by this move.

Hi,
Guess you have made an email account in a while
Make one and get back to us ;)

ThrashZoneHi,
Guess you have made an email account in a while
Make one and get back to us ;)

Wow, I guess you're living under a rock still. There's no shortage of ways to generate anonymous credentials for throwaway accounts. How else do you think scammers have it so easy?
donotpay.com/learn/fake-phone-number-for-google-verification/

So what exactly is the problem here? This is essentially the same as Windows 10 only now with Home they are requiring it so they can build the feature set with some semblance of predictability, ie everyone using it will have access to online account.

Is this an old codger thing conspiracy theorists or what? Do you not use a smart phone, or web browser (if its Chrome you are a fool)? Because if you do I hope you take your security there 10x more seriously as if someone as thats the most common vector for someone gather information from you, also it should probably be an iPhone.

MS is at least doing stuff that is potentially useful with the MS account unlike so many other companies that require you to sign into an account for literally no reason. To my knowledge MS has never been found to be doing anything nefarious with user data so again is this really a big deal or just feel good MS bashing?

I wish they would update Slackware...

btarunrWindows 11 Home setup will require you to have a Microsoft account and a working Internet connection handy.

I have the following to say on this matter:
Go FUCK YOURSELVES MICROSOFT!

This is draconian bullshit and will not be tolerated. And that goes for the UEFI, TPM and SecureBoot requirements as well.

(Note to @btarunr, none of that is aimed at you or TPU!)

sam_86314I'm certain people will find ways around this.

Oh you can bet real money on THAT!

sam_86314I've made a tweaked Windows 10 ISO for my own personal use that completely skips the OOBE setup and goes straight to the desktop after the initial restart. The local account is premade and even some programs I use regularly are preinstalled.

Nice! I predict there will be a great many utilities pop up to offer such customizations very soon!

Chrispy_Wow, I guess you're living under a rock still. There's no shortage of ways to generate anonymous credentials for throwaway accounts. How else do you think scammers have it so easy?
donotpay.com/learn/fake-phone-number-for-google-verification/

Hi,
Nope but I guess you just crawled out from under one lol

Tardian"Windows 11 ... will be offered as a free upgrade for existing Windows 10 users."

upgrade: raise (something) to a higher standard, in particular, improve (equipment or machinery) by adding or replacing components.

So I guess the word upgrade is being used in an ironic sense?

Guess who is defining what is the higher standard here?

I do not see forcing folks to create an account as being anything of a higher standard except what benefits MS and no one else.
And MS being so "Generous" will make it all too easy to create an account while installing it.

Makes me think of an "MS" spider speaking to the "User" Fly......

That's not true there's an option to for offline setup.

Edit: NVM, only looked at pro setup options

BonesAnd some of you just coudn't understand why I hate and refuse to run Win 10.

Oh no, we understand you.

TotallyThat's not true there's an option to for offline setup.

For the leaked alpha, yes. For the final release? We shall see...

lexluthermiesterFor the leaked alpha, yes. For the final release? We shall see...

For business and enterprise it will always be there, enterprise will demand it so unless they pull it from Pro which I doubt it will always be in the Enterprise version.

lexluthermiesterOh no, we understand you.

Those that didn't before should understand why now.
MS is making a required account with them a literal tether and pushing it deeper and deeper into our daily lives (And elsewhere too).

Won't be me going "Ouchie-Ouchie" during the install.

OperandiTo my knowledge MS has never been found to be doing anything nefarious with user data

You don't seem to be very "knowledgable" then...

www.techdirt.com/articles/20140321/07182326645/to-catch-meaningless-leaker-microsoft-made-it-clear-it-has-no-concern-your-privacy.shtml
www.dnaindia.com/business/report-dna-money-exclusive-microsoft-shared-indian-bank-customers-data-with-us-intel-2680752

lynx29LOL i just used the check if you can upgrade to windows 11 tool M$ put out. says my gtx 1070 laptop can't upgrade to windows 11.

sounds good me to M$.

Says the same for me on my 5900X main. I'm pretty sure it's just bugged to hell and back. It's Microsoft, it's always going to be a gong show.



Looking at the system requirements, I think we (ie. everyone who tried to preload the leaked ISO) overlooked the requirement for a TPM 2.0. Whether this is a hardware TPM like in my XPS 9370 or a virtual TPM will work (ie. Ryzen PSP) I'm not sure. It could be that the wizard/installer is just getting caught up on the mandatory TPM.

That, or it also checks if your current Windows 10 installation is running Secure Boot. Vast majority of us who know how to clean install Windows are only running UEFI with Secure Boot off, methinks. The website just says Secure Boot-capable only, but well...this is Microsoft we're talking about.

Time to go check on my XPS 9370 and re-enable the AMD PSP on my 5900X and 4650G to check.

Hi,
Not sure a beta would be a good thing to use mint cinnamon 20.1 I believe is fine.
Tool is broken like most things ms creates lol

OperandiFor business and enterprise it will always be there, enterprise will demand it so unless they pull it from Pro which I doubt it will always be in the Enterprise version.

That's a fair point!

BonesWon't be me going "Ouchie-Ouchie" during the install.

Now THAT was funny!! :laugh::roll:

tabascosauzLooking at the system requirements, I think we (ie. everyone who tried to preload the leaked ISO) overlooked the requirement for a TPM 2.0. Whether this is a hardware TPM like in my XPS 9370 or a virtual TPM will work (ie. Ryzen PSP) I'm not sure. It could be that the wizard/installer is just getting caught up on the mandatory TPM.

Nope, we sure didn't. It's just not required when you install it a certain way, which bypasses those requirements.

mechtech.................there's always a catch.........................

edit - I can see the EU having a field day with the 'mandatory internet connection'
probably won't fly in Europe

It will ... M$ has enough politicians lobbying for them. Where I work, the govt imposed using Windows and Office (and we had to pay it from our pocket) when we had just finished the migration to Linux.

BSim500You don't seem to be very "knowledgable" then...

www.techdirt.com/articles/20140321/07182326645/to-catch-meaningless-leaker-microsoft-made-it-clear-it-has-no-concern-your-privacy.shtml
www.dnaindia.com/business/report-dna-money-exclusive-microsoft-shared-indian-bank-customers-data-with-us-intel-2680752

The first article is e-mail thing, nothing to do with Windows. Someone at MS overstepped and did something really stupid.

Second one looks like a non-story. MS has on going cooperation with the US government in the interest of national security, big surprise... It sounds like essentially nothing happened, and what little did was legal. Or if there is more to it than that its not in that article.

lexluthermiesterNope, we sure didn't. It's just not required when you install it a certain way, which bypasses those requirements.

I didn't say it's not possible to install Windows 11 without a TPM......I was suggesting that MS is placing more emphasis on the presence of a TPM this time around, which is why the compatibility check fails. Doesn't mean it can't and won't be circumvented.

I no longer run a Secure Boot installation on my XPS 13, but the wizard says it's compatible with 11. The ultrabook has a hardware TPM, which enables the list of hardware security features in Windows. On my 5900X main (and I think my 4650G HTPC), if I disable the virtual PSP TPM, then I lose access to the hardware security settings page.

@Solaris17 so far from the compatibility wizard it doesn't look like Secure Boot will be mandatory, but who knows, the installer might have its own ideas come upgrade time.

The min requirements also state UEFI and secure boot. Not a big deal to me but might for people who disable driver enforcement or have an older system.

tabascosauzSays the same for me on my 5900X main. I'm pretty sure it's just bugged to hell and back. It's Microsoft, it's always going to be a gong show.



Looking at the system requirements, I think we (ie. everyone who tried to preload the leaked ISO) overlooked the requirement for a TPM 2.0. Whether this is a hardware TPM like in my XPS 9370 or a virtual TPM will work (ie. Ryzen PSP) I'm not sure. It could be that the wizard/installer is just getting caught up on the mandatory TPM.

That, or it also checks if your current Windows 10 installation is running Secure Boot. Vast majority of us who know how to clean install Windows are only running UEFI with Secure Boot off, methinks. The website just says Secure Boot-capable only, but well...this is Microsoft we're talking about.

Time to go check on my XPS 9370 and re-enable the AMD PSP on my 5900X and 4650G to check.

Not a bug it's an anti-pirating feature you can only run it using a VM, to bypass the hardware check.

How is a Microsoft account any different than a Google or Apple account? I don't get it...