Stay on topic ---> "Microsoft Account and Internet Connection Mandatory for Windows 11 Home Setup"

Thank You.

Arc1t3ctHow is a Microsoft account any different than a Google or Apple account? I don't get it...

Well it serves little purpose; I don't have Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram accounts - and I don't use any software from the Microsoft Store - therefore, I don't need an account for my Windows Install... Pretty easy really.

this is just another step towards m$ making windows a cloud based service, with no more local installs.

beedooWell it serves little purpose; I don't have Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram accounts - and I don't use any software from the Microsoft Store - therefore, I don't need an account for my Windows Install... Pretty easy really.

Except you are using their software, so you do need an account. Pretty easy really.

Solaris17Not a big deal to me but might for people who disable driver enforcement or have an older system.

That's a whole lot of people!

newtekie1Except you are using their software, so you do need an account. Pretty easy really.

That is not an assumption they have the right to make. And for the record, it's not their software. Each copy belongs to us as users, we own it. That's the law. Microsoft owns the copyright, not the individual copy of the software itself.

i will keep using win 10 then win 11. i don't give a shit what M$ want to do with any data they mine of me, as long as my PC works and i can play games etc. why are people so paranoid, worried they gonna see your pron pics or something.

I have a M$ account, good thing is it save the key on my account, so quite often, i can reinstall, log in on the setup and by the time windows is up and running it is already activated. also everyone should have a internet connection now, unless you are installing in the middle of the gobi desert, so this requirement is not that bad. there are things to install to stop m$ stealing your pron stash etc.

zmeulthe writing was on the wall

since recent builds of W10 Home, if you connected to the internet instead of skipping connecting you could not continue without a MS account - had to go outside the building to escape the WiFi coverage because you do not have a back button

Very not true. I literally just installed W10H a few hours ago on a laptop, connectet to the internet, and I used a local user account, had to create one.

beedooWell it serves little purpose; I don't have Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram accounts - and I don't use any software from the Microsoft Store - therefore, I don't need an account for my Windows Install... Pretty easy really.

Well, now you do, just like you need an AppleID or Google Account to use their OS, (Though you can use macOS without Apple ID, you can do much of anything at all since you need access to the store.)

Gruffalo.Soldieri will keep using win 10 then win 11

Not me. For this unacceptable act of attempted control I will be joining the movement to crack the hell of the installers and remove those requirements. I'll be sharing with everyone how to do it as well. Microsoft has finally cross the wrong line.

As you all may have guessed, the optimism expressed earlier in other threads is Gonesville!

LycanwolfenLOL what did I say in another comment. Told ya so. Have to have MS account no more local accounts which means they can track you.

Track me? I'ts not like I'm walking around carrying my desktop everywhere. :laugh:

Tardian"Windows 11 ... will be offered as a free upgrade for existing Windows 10 users."

upgrade: raise (something) to a higher standard, in particular, improve (equipment or machinery) by adding or replacing components.

So I guess the word upgrade is being used in an ironic sense?

Yeah must be a typo, surely they meant "update" not upgrade.

lexluthermiesterThat is not an assumption they have the right to make.

Yes, it is.

lexluthermiesterAnd for the record, it's not their software. Each copy belongs to us as users, we own it. That's the law. Microsoft owns the copyright, not the individual copy of the software itself.

Nope, not how it works legally. You are licensing the use of their software. They always own the software, they are just letting you use it as long as you agree to their terms. That is why you are buying a software license, not the software.

Buying the actual software is a totally different process, and I guarantee you aren't paying $99 for it.

newtekie1Yes, it is.


Nope, not how it works legally. You are licensing the use of their software. They always own the software, they are just letting you use it as long as you agree to their terms. That is why you are buying a software license, not the software.

Mister, I am not going to argue this point with you. You are incorrect. On this matter we can just agree to disagree.

Never going to attach a MS account to my PC gonna find a way to mod the OS if I have to

www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm


If you live in the USA you do not own the product, just a license to use it.

OperandiSo what exactly is the problem here? This is essentially the same as Windows 10 only now with Home they are requiring it so they can build the feature set with some semblance of predictability, ie everyone using it will have access to online account.

Is this an old codger thing conspiracy theorists or what? Do you not use a smart phone, or web browser (if its Chrome you are a fool)? Because if you do I hope you take your security there 10x more seriously as if someone as thats the most common vector for someone gather information from you, also it should probably be an iPhone.

MS is at least doing stuff that is potentially useful with the MS account unlike so many other companies that require you to sign into an account for literally no reason. To my knowledge MS has never been found to be doing anything nefarious with user data so again is this really a big deal or just feel good MS bashing?

Give 'em an inch, and they'll take a mile.

Also part of my Windows installation process is staying offline so that all of the useless crap like Candy Crush (my nemesis) doesn't get installed. Granted, I exclusively use Pro, but what's to stop M$ from putting this requirement in all editions of Windows 11?

Also, I'll just throw in that I do, in fact, use a Microsoft account AFTER I have everything set up to my liking.

lexluthermiesterNice! I predicted there will be a great many utilities pop up to offer such customizations very soon!

The tools I used were Win Toolkit and VirtualBox of all things. I set up Windows in VirtualBox the way I wanted it, mounted the virtual machine drive, and used Win Toolkit to pack it into the install.wim file. I also used Win Toolkit to remove all the extra crap and create the ISO.

The result is a debloated Win10 installer with all of the basic apps I always end up installing already there. As I said earlier, it skips the OOBE, so all I have to do is log into the premade account, delete the VirtualBox drivers that I accidentally left in, verify my Firefox login, and I'm good to go.

I hope we can find some workarounds, i really hate this whole microsoft account sign in. Never used and won't update to W11 till we get a mod to use a local a account.

lexluthermiesterMister, I am not going to argue this point with you. You are incorrect. On this matter we can just agree to disagree.

You have no idea how software licensing works if you think I'm wrong.

KarymidoNI hope we can find some workarounds, i really hate this whole microsoft account sign in. Never used and won't update to W11 till we get a mod to use a local a account.

Nothing says you can't use a local account after the initial setup of the OS or never even need an account if you buy the Pro Edition. You just miss out on certain, yet to be named, features apparently.

Everyone seems to not be reading what was actually said:

btarunr"Windows 11 Home edition requires internet connectivity and a Microsoft Account to complete device setup on first use," lists Microsoft as part of the operating system's requirements.

After you finish the Windows setup, switch to a local account and move on.

Another thing to note: now we know about the Microsoft account and possible tracking, but we still don't know what we get with W11.

Governments and companies have started putting way more emphasis on obligations rather than benefits. The world is heading in a disgusting direction where you vote for the party, or buy from the company that wants you to give up less, and not the one that provides more. Will this ever stop?

Sorry for the off.

With Windows 11's limited hardware support it is up in the cloud on whether or not it can even overtake Windows 7's install base before Windows 10 reaches EOL.

TotallyWell, now you do, just like you need an AppleID or Google Account to use their OS, (Though you can use macOS without Apple ID, you can do anything at all since you need access to the store.)

Nothing you've said here is true and your comment makes it's pretty clear to us that you know little about how macOS works.

BigDonglewww.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm


If you live in the USA you do not own the product, just a license to use it.

Microsoft can claim/say whatever they want even when it contradicts legal statue and case law. Doesn't make them right and they know it.

sam_86314The tools I used were Win Toolkit and VirtualBox of all things. I set up Windows in VirtualBox the way I wanted it, mounted the virtual machine drive, and used Win Toolkit to pack it into the install.wim file.

I'm not a fan of virtual machines. Wanted to test it on real hardware.

sam_86314I also used Win Toolkit to remove all the extra crap and create the ISO.

Wait, that WORKED on 11? Seriously? Gonna have to give that a try..

KarymidoNI hope we can find some workarounds, i really hate this whole microsoft account sign in. Never used and won't update to W11 till we get a mod to use a local a account.

Right there with you!

lexluthermiesterMicrosoft can claim/say whatever they want even when it contradicts legal statue and case law. Doesn't make them right and they know it.

The case law and legal statue supports "licensed, not sold" even in the EU. There have been limitations put in place by case law, like the ruling that licenses can be re-sold and that terms in the EULA that directly conflict with copyright law can not be enforced. But the legal precedent has been set that software licensing is just that, a license to use the software, you do not own the software.

@Lionheart

I assume either because the topic is Windows, not Linux, or because your comment is a blank statement without any argument. Imagine commenting "the 6700XT is a good card" under an nvidia article. Not relevant.

I though that most people on TPU where using win pro, but I guess that they prefer the home version after all ? Otherwise I don't see why they would complain so much about something that they won't use.

For some people, it's actually a good thing that Microsoft is trying to have a functional online ecosystem, one of the thing I really despised with the old windows was having to spend too much time on the configuration of windows every time that I needed to reformat. They haven't reached MacOs level where the OS will also install all the previous software that you installed from the store, but the general setting are automatically carried over. And now that I use two PC, I like having the same environment/files everywhere without having to think about it, since OneDrive takes over the user folders, I didn't have to set it up on my other PC, everything was ready to use.

But the more I see people complaining, and the more I think that Microsoft just make an "enthusiast" edition that would be bare bone for the people that want that, so that they could finally try to do their own thing without being pestered. Online backup for settings or game saves is such a nice QoL to have, but I guess that I'm alone in seeing the benefits of this for the average consumer (not talking about full-bodied professionals).

A dummy Microsoft account is so easy to make, it's not as invasive as a Facebook account where they will try really hard to make sure that you are a real person... they don't even ask for your name or address.

lexluthermiesterMicrosoft can claim/say whatever they want even when it contradicts legal statue and case law. Doesn't make them right and they know it.

You've never bought the software when buying Windows, you've bought a license yo use it. It's been that way since forever (hyperbole; I dpn't actually know what the licensing around 3.11 for example said). You can download Win10 directly from MS, but you still need to buy a license to use it.

dyonoctisI though that most people on TPU where using win pro, but I guess that they prefer the home version after all ? Otherwise I don't see why they would complain so much about something that they won't use.

Home is cheaper and Pro doesn't really offer anything for home users (unless you're for some reason running AD at home).