TumbleGeorgeFrom Intel Sandy Bridge MB's northbridge is part of CPU. In the past memory controller was part of northbridge... For location of ram controller in XEON platforms I'm not sure.

That and also the TLB addressing unit is inside the cpu.

TheLostSwedeDoes he accept bollocks too?




Actually, he's entirely correct about the DDR5 motherboards.
Most, if not all board makers are only expecting offer DDR5 support on their highest-end models.
This wasn't the original plan, but with the current component shortage, they can't get enough of the parts they need, especially for the power regulation, so DDR5 will be very limited to start with.

And next time, maybe, just maybe, don't be an arse about something that you have zero insight into.

Again source? I heard that only low end motherboards were getting DDR5 because it will be terrible, and DDR4 isnt on its last hurraugh, so high end boards will be DDR4 exclusive!

TheinsanegamerNOh, so the DRAM tech that has stopped evolving over the last year, with a new generation coming out that is vastly superior in terms of speed, is not on its last hurraugh. What's your argument?


Oh, so whataboutism with NVMe (which isnt DRAM) and SATA (which isnt DRAM) and their speed differences (are you seriously trying to say that faster DRAM makes no difference? LMFAO), a red herring over PCIe 3.0 lifespans (which is flat out wrong, given that every motherboard using x570/b550/z590/b560 uses PCIe 4.0) and "reports" that only $500+ motherboard will use DDR5, your source being "dude trust me I got a source".

I think its safe to say your entire comment can be completely ignored.

I think you are confused or imagining that I'm trying to make some equivocation between memory and SSDs, I'm speaking about two different feature sets that are alleged to be in Alder lake, and made no comparison between them... All I did was literally state the facts that Alder lake will offer both DDR4 and DDR5 support. Then, I moved on to the topic concerning PCIe 5.0 in Alder lake and how I believe it's not as necessary as the switch from pcie 3.0 to 4.0 since 3.0 was, and is, around much longer than 4.0 has been and that 4.0 is far from inadequate, so the only comparison I made was between PCIe versions... I'm genuinely confused on how you thought I was making a comparison between memory and storage.... Also, you're confused about the meaning of "whataboutism", whataboutism goes like this: For example, if an article was talking about something bad for consumers that Nvidia did, and then someone in the comments says, "Oh yeah, well AMD did something bad too"... It's a defensive reaction to redirect attention... That is whataboutism.... I believe the accusation you are trying to make against me is "false equivocation", but again, it seems obvious, at least to me that I wasn't comparing the two or trying to make an Analogy between them.

TumbleGeorgeMB's with memory controller when memory controller from decade is part of CPU from first ZEN situated in I/O chiplet? Please explain :)

"... while PCIe 5.0 should be supported universally, not all boards might get the DDR5 option.

Intel Alder Lake will support DDR5 memory but it also supports DDR4 so it will be up to the motherboard vendors to enable support where they see fit. DDR5 and DDR4 cannot be supported simultaneously at the same time - so AIBs will have to choose on a SKU by SKU basis. Lower-end motherboards might stick to the old DDR4 standard. DDR5 memory is also in short supply and might not have fully ramped up by the time Alder Lake launches anyways so we expect only high-end motherboards to feature this."

wccftech.com/intel-alder-lake-s-landing-in-november-2021-first-to-market-with-pcie-5-0-ddr5-ram-and-new-coolers/

" Along with DDR5 and PCIe 5.0, the chipset will support older technologies, including DDR4 RAM at speeds up to 3200MHz, and PCIe Gen 4 and Gen 3. "

www.pcmag.com/news/intel-alder-lake-cpus-to-support-pcie-50-ddr5-ram?amp=true


The YouTube video is by Dr. Ian Cutress who literally confirms everything I've said and states that Intel allowed for two types of memory on previous platforms.... Are three sources sufficient?

windwhirlWell, I think they were readying a 56 core part, but I don't remember if it launched or if it's stuck somewhere in the process node or whatever

Wasting precious wafers on this monstrosity? I don't think so.

Stay on topic!
Stop the insulting remarks.

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Thank You

Thanks to everyone for their info and interest. I am an admitted AMD Threadripper fanboy. I have a 1920x and 2950x, great tech. I skipped the 3000 series, but I am very excited about the upcoming 5000 series. I will probably grab a 16 or 24 core. Then pair that with an RTX 3080ti once the prices come down. By then Dragon Age 4 will be coming out and I will never leave my house again... ;)

As much as I want my TR4 motherboard to support these... I probably won't want to upgrade my CPU anyway (lol). Threadripper 1950x (16 cores) is already plenty for what I do, but having better Zen3 cores would be great.

Realistically speaking: Threadripper has grown too big and is pricing itself out of my range. 1950x was nice (especially in the tail end when I bought it at like 60% off) and 16 cores is plenty. But today I'd probably just go AM4 with a 16-core 5950x. I never thought that this core count would be in the mainstream socket, lol.

windwhirlWell, I think they were readying a 56 core part, but I don't remember if it launched or if it's stuck somewhere in the process node or whatever

is that the 10mm one? :p
How many lanes was that?

I'll never use one of these or even see them in person, but seeing the server world accelerate so fast is goddamn amazing to watch happen

dragontamer5788As much as I want my TR4 motherboard to support these... I probably won't want to upgrade my CPU anyway (lol). Threadripper 1950x (16 cores) is already plenty for what I do, but having better Zen3 cores would be great.

Realistically speaking: Threadripper has grown too big and is pricing itself out of my range. 1950x was nice (especially in the tail end when I bought it at like 60% off) and 16 cores is plenty. But today I'd probably just go AM4 with a 16-core 5950x. I never thought that this core count would be in the mainstream socket, lol.

There's so much more features to Threadripper compared to a Ryzen that you cant just compare a regular 5950x with it.

The threadripper is'nt for gaming or working out your daily things with it. It's for professionals who do serious tasks that need the amount of cores to it.

But i'm glad there's plenty of selection now from low to upper high-end from AMD camp. Before ryzen it was all about FX.

AnarchoPrimitivI think you are confused or imagining...

Yes I am now totally befuddled as well. Per Wccftech the flagship Intel 12th Gen "Alder Lake-S" Core i9-12900K is able to hit a turbo clock of 5.3 GHz and has a base clock of 3.9 GHz. Thus it will per their posted testing results totally outperform (by a huge margin) a Ryzen 9 5950X. Putting all that technical discussion 'mumbo jumbo' aside for a minute, it may be a good time to buying Intel stock and putting some real $$$ in ones pocket versus just talk today which may be long forgotten by tomorow. In the end it's really all about the money and Wall Street has a short memory.

Tom SundayYes I am now totally befuddled as well. Per Wccftech the flagship Intel 12th Gen "Alder Lake-S" Core i9-12900K is able to hit a turbo clock of 5.3 GHz and has a base clock of 3.9 GHz. Thus it will per their posted testing results totally outperform (by a huge margin) a Ryzen 9 5950X. Putting all that technical discussion 'mumbo jumbo' aside for a minute, it may be a good time to buying Intel stock and putting some real $$$ in ones pocket versus just talk today which may be long forgotten by tomorow. In the end it's really all about the money and Wall Street has a short memory.

"totally outperform (by a huge margin)"

:) it was 8.6% faster than a stock 5950x

Cinebench R20
Stock 5950x = 10400
i9-12900k = 11300
Tuned 5950x = 12103

Will need to see final silicon before we start throwing around "by a huge Margin"

freeagentSo this will be the last DDR4 CPU from AMD?

AMD's consumer socket AM4 will get the cache-heavy update late 2021, possibly early 2022 and then socket AM5 should debut in 2022.

This is AMD's HEDT platform and they haven't had "refreshes" like the consumer line up (e.g. the XT variants), just straight up new generations.

AMD generally lets Intel come out with support for a new RAM generation and then releases after the RAM prices have settled a bit.

dragontamer5788As much as I want my TR4 motherboard to support these... I probably won't want to upgrade my CPU anyway (lol). Threadripper 1950x (16 cores) is already plenty for what I do, but having better Zen3 cores would be great.

Realistically speaking: Threadripper has grown too big and is pricing itself out of my range. 1950x was nice (especially in the tail end when I bought it at like 60% off) and 16 cores is plenty. But today I'd probably just go AM4 with a 16-core 5950x. I never thought that this core count would be in the mainstream socket, lol.

Motherboards with X399 chipset support Threadrippers series 1000 and 2000. You must upgrade motherboard too.

I would like to see a Skt A again (Handled Mobile, Desktop/Workstation/Server)

So Merge AM, TR into WRX.

TheinsanegamerNAgain source? I heard that only low end motherboards were getting DDR5 because it will be terrible, and DDR4 isnt on its last hurraugh, so high end boards will be DDR4 exclusive!

Well, you know, I worked as a tech journalist/editor for well over a decade and I live within an hour from all the major motherboard makers and I might still know some people that work at them. Maybe I still get some bits of info here and there. I also still work in the tech industry, but I guess that's not good enough for you.

Your nickname take suits you.

It's great that TR PRO also will be updated in August, however I was hoping that Pro variant would get additional stacked 64 MB L3 for each CCX.

I'm still hoping AMD will really release the 16c Threadripper that was rumored some time back; it would be pretty useful more for the Quad Channel RAM and more PCIe slots while retaining same or better performance to the 5950X (either due to better binning for TR parts, or better heat dissipation thanks to the larger heat spreader, or both).

TechLurkerI'm still hoping AMD will really release the 16c Threadripper that was rumored some time back; it would be pretty useful more for the Quad Channel RAM and more PCIe slots while retaining same or better performance to the 5950X (either due to better binning for TR parts, or better heat dissipation thanks to the larger heat spreader, or both).

If they follow tradition, it's likely they'll release a 16-core TR 5000 part.

windwhirlIf they follow tradition, it's likely they'll release a 16-core TR 5000 part.

Seeing that 8 core TR makes me wish they brought it back for the 5000 TR series, as well as whatever future DDR5 variants come out. Would be great purely for those needing the I/O rather than the cores themselves, and were a great "gateway" into the TR ecosystem.