I mean we all know we won't be getting one next year... scalpers have figured out a new business model... even if new factories come online and mining died tomorrow it wouldn't matter anymore, there are too many scalper side businesses now that know if they just keep buying all the inventory in cahoots together at MSRP with bots, they can simply sale at higher price. This is never going to end now unless they can ship like so many units the Scalpers Unified Association wankers that they are, can't afford to buy them all, which I doubt they will be able to do.

So yeah... now CEO's of companies really need to figure out how to get this stuff into the hands of actual gamers, and I think my idea is the best one... you have a rollout - you start first week of sells to 10+ years or older Steam accounts one per Steam account and that account must have 250+ games on it... then the second week it drops down to 8 year accounts, and so on and so forth until you finally have a full on public release.

I know not every gamer is a Steam gamer, but I'd say at least 51% are at some level or at some point in their past. This is the only way I can see forward. Other then ending online sales of launch day products all together and making them in-store only... that doesn't fix the problem as well imo, but maybe that could be phase 2, anything to minimize the power of the bots helps and least gives locals a chance.

@TheLostSwede Share this info with your friends who work at these tech companies! Save the gamers! Unite them under one banner!

Damn, I really am in the mood to watch Braveheart movie again now... :rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout:

lynx29I mean we all know we won't be getting one next year... scalpers have figured out a new business model... even if new factories come online and mining died tomorrow it wouldn't matter anymore, there are too many scalper side businesses now that know if they just keep buying all the inventory in cahoots together at MSRP with bots, they can simply sale at higher price. This is never going to end now unless they can ship like so many units the Scalpers Unified Association wankers that they are, can't afford to buy them all, which I doubt they will be able to do.

So yeah... now CEO's of companies really need to figure out how to get this stuff into the hands of actual gamers, and I think my idea is the best one... you have a rollout - you start first week of sells to 10+ years or older Steam accounts one per Steam account and that account must have 250+ games on it... then the second week it drops down to 8 year accounts, and so on and so forth until you finally have a full on public release.

I know not every gamer is a Steam gamer, but I'd say at least 51% are at some level or at some point in their past. This is the only way I can see forward. Other then ending online sales of launch day products all together and making them in-store only... that doesn't fix the problem as well imo, but maybe that could be phase 2, anything to minimize the power of the bots helps and least gives locals a chance.

@TheLostSwede Share this info with your friends who work at these tech companies! Save the gamers! Unite them under one banner!

Damn, I really am in the mood to watch Braveheart movie again now... :rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout:

hahah, i just got done watching that movie in 4k last hour. Got done downloading it this morning over the road and quickly started watching it. Nothing like watching men in skirts in 4k.

I See Zen 3+ being AM4 and then AM5 initial Launch parts, sort of like Phenom 2 parts

I still think this is a great idea.

MatsThere must be a one-click Scalping@Home, or PCPartScalper out there for consumers to scalp together their new build all by themselves, right? That would be the only way to beat the scalpers at their own game. Power to the people. Waiting for the scalpers to go away is like waiting for the next (next next) HW launch.

Purely speculating, but I think the only way to minimize the impact of scalping is to make their methods available to everyone.

Zen 3+ cant wait for the +++++ jibes Intel got

lynx29I mean we all know we won't be getting one next year... scalpers have figured out a new business model... even if new factories come online and mining died tomorrow it wouldn't matter anymore, there are too many scalper side businesses now that know if they just keep buying all the inventory in cahoots together at MSRP with bots, they can simply sale at higher price. This is never going to end now unless they can ship like so many units the Scalpers Unified Association wankers that they are, can't afford to buy them all, which I doubt they will be able to do.

So yeah... now CEO's of companies really need to figure out how to get this stuff into the hands of actual gamers, and I think my idea is the best one... you have a rollout - you start first week of sells to 10+ years or older Steam accounts one per Steam account and that account must have 250+ games on it... then the second week it drops down to 8 year accounts, and so on and so forth until you finally have a full on public release.

I know not every gamer is a Steam gamer, but I'd say at least 51% are at some level or at some point in their past. This is the only way I can see forward. Other then ending online sales of launch day products all together and making them in-store only... that doesn't fix the problem as well imo, but maybe that could be phase 2, anything to minimize the power of the bots helps and least gives locals a chance.

@TheLostSwede Share this info with your friends who work at these tech companies! Save the gamers! Unite them under one banner!

Damn, I really am in the mood to watch Braveheart movie again now... :rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout:

16yrs and 401 so i'll be in that first group yaay :D

lynx29I mean we all know we won't be getting one next year... scalpers have figured out a new business model... even if new factories come online and mining died tomorrow it wouldn't matter anymore, there are too many scalper side businesses now that know if they just keep buying all the inventory in cahoots together at MSRP with bots, they can simply sale at higher price. This is never going to end now unless they can ship like so many units the Scalpers Unified Association wankers that they are, can't afford to buy them all, which I doubt they will be able to do.

So yeah... now CEO's of companies really need to figure out how to get this stuff into the hands of actual gamers, and I think my idea is the best one... you have a rollout - you start first week of sells to 10+ years or older Steam accounts one per Steam account and that account must have 250+ games on it... then the second week it drops down to 8 year accounts, and so on and so forth until you finally have a full on public release.

I know not every gamer is a Steam gamer, but I'd say at least 51% are at some level or at some point in their past. This is the only way I can see forward. Other then ending online sales of launch day products all together and making them in-store only... that doesn't fix the problem as well imo, but maybe that could be phase 2, anything to minimize the power of the bots helps and least gives locals a chance.

@TheLostSwede Share this info with your friends who work at these tech companies! Save the gamers! Unite them under one banner!

Damn, I really am in the mood to watch Braveheart movie again now... :rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout:

While the idea is interesting, I don't think Steam would be very happy about it with not getting anything out of it. On the other side, why not sell the cards through Steam? But no company would want to give Steam a cut of the money. This also exclude people without Steams accs, but maybe they have GOG one or some other. In the end, there are a lot of issues with your idea,

lynx29I mean we all know we won't be getting one next year... scalpers have figured out a new business model... even if new factories come online and mining died tomorrow it wouldn't matter anymore, there are too many scalper side businesses now that know if they just keep buying all the inventory in cahoots together at MSRP with bots, they can simply sale at higher price. This is never going to end now unless they can ship like so many units the Scalpers Unified Association wankers that they are, can't afford to buy them all, which I doubt they will be able to do.

So yeah... now CEO's of companies really need to figure out how to get this stuff into the hands of actual gamers, and I think my idea is the best one... you have a rollout - you start first week of sells to 10+ years or older Steam accounts one per Steam account and that account must have 250+ games on it... then the second week it drops down to 8 year accounts, and so on and so forth until you finally have a full on public release.

I know not every gamer is a Steam gamer, but I'd say at least 51% are at some level or at some point in their past. This is the only way I can see forward. Other then ending online sales of launch day products all together and making them in-store only... that doesn't fix the problem as well imo, but maybe that could be phase 2, anything to minimize the power of the bots helps and least gives locals a chance.

@TheLostSwede Share this info with your friends who work at these tech companies! Save the gamers! Unite them under one banner!

Damn, I really am in the mood to watch Braveheart movie again now... :rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout::rockout:

When you think the world revolves around Steam + "my idea is the best one"... lmao

lynx29So yeah... now CEO's of companies really need to figure out how to get this stuff into the hands of actual gamers, and I think my idea is the best one... you have a rollout - you start first week of sells to 10+ years or older Steam accounts one per Steam account and that account must have 250+ games on it... then the second week it drops down to 8 year accounts, and so on and so forth until you finally have a full on public release.

Not a horrible idea, but 250+ seems a bit extreme. Maybe 100+ and they need to be actual purchases, not free games.

eidairaman1I See Zen 3+ being AM4 and then AM5 initial Launch parts, sort of like Phenom 2 parts

Yeah I'd expect Zen 3+ to be AM4 otherwise they'd need to have DDR5 support on Zen 3+ because AM5 is a DDR5 only platform far as I know. If Zen 3+ is DDR4 and AM4 that makes these compelling alternatives to look out for over Intel's Alderlake which was looking like it might be a good value option in some cases. The only question is what if AMD done much beyond the 3D vertical cache. If AMD managed to improved other aspects and/or offer new core configuration sku's Zen 3+ that would be great. The uptick from the cache should be nice curious just how much they'll utilize. The innovation in CPU's is so much better now than it was when AMD was struggling.

PanicLakeWhen you think the world revolves around Steam + "my idea is the best one"... lmao

It's a place to start. I never said it was a perfect idea. Yeah you are right, let's just give up and keep letting the scalpers run their new business model forever. Love your criticism without any options to get better. Neat. You so impressive mate.

MysteoaWhile the idea is interesting, I don't think Steam would be very happy about it with not getting anything out of it. On the other side, why not sell the cards through Steam? But no company would want to give Steam a cut of the money. This also exclude people without Steams accs, but maybe they have GOG one or some other. In the end, there are a lot of issues with your idea,

I think Steam would be willing to do this, cause they know it means their base finally has a reason to buy more games. :)

lynx29I think Steam would be willing to do this, cause they know it means their base finally has a reason to buy more games. :)

The way I said it, it wasn't very clear. I was referring just about the verification part by using Steam without the sales. That they wouldn't want their service to be used like that without actually selling the GPU.

MysteoaThe way I said it, it wasn't very clear. I was referring just about the verification part by using Steam without the sales. That they wouldn't want their service to be used like that without actually selling the GPU.

that makes sense yeah.

lynx29It's a place to start. I never said it was a perfect idea. Yeah you are right, let's just give up and keep letting the scalpers run their new business model forever. Love your criticism without any options to get better. Neat. You so impressive mate.

I personally don't buy overpriced scalped things, that is my way of countering scalping, unfortunately many people of this current society needs their precious CPU or GPU right NOW and by doing so enabling them (the scalpers)!

Hopefully Zen3+ will be AM4 so that I can upgrade my 3600x then forget about upgrading for the next 3 years A last gen Ryzen 5000 + a 3070ti = 5 years gaming with no worried