Awesome, I can't wait to see some legit benchmarks conducted by some trusted sources. I remember the last set of fabricated leaks boosting Intel...let's just say, they left a lot to be desired.

MAG Coreliquid K and MPG Coreliquid X

Leaks?:cool:

Probably standard practice but it always rubs me the wrong way that you can pre-order before the review embargo lifts

Alright, we have more than a month left to quarrel about the (increasing) leaks and learn about our preferences and biases...

Ummm, I forgot, when was the last time we needed a new motherboard for a new Intel chip? was that 6 months ago?

i already have my lga 1700 kits from noctua.
where is my 12900k?

DeathtoGnomesUmmm, I forgot, when was the last time we needed a new motherboard for a new Intel chip? was that 6 months ago?

You realize Alder Lake is going to be DDR5 with PCIe gen 4 right? Kinda requires a new board.

CrAsHnBuRnXpYou realize Alder Lake is going to be DDR5 with PCIe gen 4 right? Kinda requires a new board.

yep, just replaying the long runing joke about needing a new intel board every 6 months.

Alder-LakeS

I think Intel just went all in on the lakes meme after all.

Let's hope this one is deeper than a pond.

Guwapo77Awesome, I can't wait to see some legit benchmarks conducted by some trusted sources. I remember the last set of fabricated leaks boosting Intel...let's just say, they left a lot to be desired.

Indeed. One thing is for sure, you can set those limits to the moon. Not sure what burns down around you when you do, but you can.

CrAsHnBuRnXpYou realize Alder Lake is going to be DDR5 with PCIe gen 4 right? Kinda requires a new board.

DDR4/DDR5 the real question is just how much of a impact is that going to make for the two memory standards. DDR5 is defiantly better in ways especially on bandwidth, but also better bank groups support which is another good aspect along with better capacity per DIMM as well on top off higher efficiency. DDR4 though has better latency maybe worse true latency I'm not certain you really need to compare more closely at release and DDR5 true latency will improve over time as timings get tighter or frequency raises while maintaining the same timings.

It's a mixed bag with DDR5 being in it's early infancy, but it could be a bit better in certain memory tasks and perhaps worse in others. In particular two DIMM's of DDR4 might be rather close to four DIMM's of DDR5 because of the extra stress on the memory controller. One last aspect of the DDR4/DDR5 situation is the memory controller itself how will the two impact the CPU itself outside of memory performance what about thermals and TDP?

I'm wonder about this due to Zen 5 Threadripper HEDT/Workstation from AMD the TDP differs by 35W based on the two platforms though one is 4 channel and the other is 8 channel. In the case of Intel DDR5 is roughly double the bandwidth of DDR4 I don't know if the added TDP is mostly attributed due to additional DIMM slots themselves or the bandwidth or combination of the two. I'm also uncertain is the 35W TDP is just 64c version on the workstation 8-channel board or the entire lineup. The interesting part with Zen 5 Workstation 8-channel CPU is apparently there will be a 12c version which perhaps will make it fairly modestly more affordable. I don't know what clock speeds will be like and if the 12c version will be a single CCD how cool would that be single CCD with 8-channel memory 128 PCIE 4.0 lanes and perhaps higher frequency than the higher core count versions. That might be a long shot to hope for, but it would be fantastic.

CrAsHnBuRnXpYou realize Alder Lake is going to be DDR5 with PCIe gen 4 right? Kinda requires a new board.

Not to mention it uses a new socket, LGA-1700.

DeathtoGnomesUmmm, I forgot, when was the last time we needed a new motherboard for a new Intel chip? was that 6 months ago?

Hi,
Seems like it but no about 12 months z490 although z590 lol

DeathtoGnomesUmmm, I forgot, when was the last time we needed a new motherboard for a new Intel chip? was that 6 months ago?

If you mean 11th gen, no, you didn't need a new motherboard for that.

As for Alder Lake, there's been lots of discussion for and against its heterogenous design. It will be good to see it in action, though I think it will take applications a good couple of years to fully utilise it.

Vayra86Alder-LakeS

I think Intel just went all in on the lakes meme after all.

Let's hope this one is deeper than a pond.



Indeed. One thing is for sure, you can set those limits to the moon. Not sure what burns down around you when you do, but you can.

If intel has all the lakes maybe they can give some of the lakes to the western states in the US, they all more lakes and water.

I'm anxious for the reviews. Leaks pointing to a great performer both single core and multicore. Hopefully power consumption improvements are made.

Can't wait to see the reviews, and of coarse upgrade from my current setup as im due for an upgrade.

Hopefully it won’t be out of stock

CrAsHnBuRnXpYou realize Alder Lake is going to be DDR5 with PCIe gen 4 right? Kinda requires a new board.

Isn't it PCIe 5.0?

Guwapo77Awesome, I can't wait to see some legit benchmarks conducted by some trusted sources. I remember the last set of fabricated leaks boosting Intel...let's just say, they left a lot to be desired.

Do you mean the so called 27% increase on single thread CPU-Z scores over the 5950X? That did seem suspiciously high. I was expecting Alder Lake to roughly match the upcoming 3D v-cache version of Zen 3. (Not expecting really, just guessing.) 27% over regular Zen 3 is obviously gigantic. So, maybe it will end up being about 10% better single core than a 5950X.

InVasManiDDR4/DDR5 the real question is just how much of a impact is that going to make for the two memory standards. DDR5 is defiantly better in ways especially on bandwidth, but also better bank groups support which is another good aspect along with better capacity per DIMM as well on top off higher efficiency. DDR4 though has better latency maybe worse true latency I'm not certain you really need to compare more closely at release and DDR5 true latency will improve over time as timings get tighter or frequency raises while maintaining the same timings.

It's a mixed bag with DDR5 being in it's early infancy, but it could be a bit better in certain memory tasks and perhaps worse in others. In particular two DIMM's of DDR4 might be rather close to four DIMM's of DDR5 because of the extra stress on the memory controller. One last aspect of the DDR4/DDR5 situation is the memory controller itself how will the two impact the CPU itself outside of memory performance what about thermals and TDP?

I'm wonder about this due to Zen 5 Threadripper HEDT/Workstation from AMD the TDP differs by 35W based on the two platforms though one is 4 channel and the other is 8 channel. In the case of Intel DDR5 is roughly double the bandwidth of DDR4 I don't know if the added TDP is mostly attributed due to additional DIMM slots themselves or the bandwidth or combination of the two. I'm also uncertain is the 35W TDP is just 64c version on the workstation 8-channel board or the entire lineup. The interesting part with Zen 5 Workstation 8-channel CPU is apparently there will be a 12c version which perhaps will make it fairly modestly more affordable. I don't know what clock speeds will be like and if the 12c version will be a single CCD how cool would that be single CCD with 8-channel memory 128 PCIE 4.0 lanes and perhaps higher frequency than the higher core count versions. That might be a long shot to hope for, but it would be fantastic.

My guess is that stock DDR5 will be a mixed bag, but even in its infancy the likes of DDR5 8400 memory will be available by launch, at cas latency 40-45, which will likely crush anything short of DDR4 4400+ low latency kits that cost more then CPUs themselves. DDR5 memory OCing will eb the thign to watch with alder lake, if DDR5 is as clock happy as early kits suggest this gonna be really fun.....

BRING ON THE 10 GHZ MEMORY :peace:

these are early price on chinese market for es and cpu picture also feature the lga

I still have vivid memories of 2006 when the Core2 came out. This time around it's going to be even better!

Glass Handed KitesDo you mean the so called 27% increase on single thread CPU-Z scores over the 5950X? That did seem suspiciously high. I was expecting Alder Lake to roughly match the upcoming 3D v-cache version of Zen 3. (Not expecting really, just guessing.) 27% over regular Zen 3 is obviously gigantic. So, maybe it will end up being about 10% better single core than a 5950X.

I can completely believe 10%, but 27%? Yeah, that is a hard pill to swallow. Also, the previous chip launch by Intel was hyper inflated as well. IF they did magically smash a 27% single thread increase, I will surely tip my hat for a job well done.

Motherboards, DDR5 modules and Alder Lake SKUs are going to cost arm and a leg
let's hope Zen3 CPUs become cheaper after this