chstamosIf the integrated gpus need a DDR5 to perform , you might as well get a DDR4 laptop with a discrete GPU. It will probably be both a lot faster and a lot cheaper. DDR5 memory is a worthless albatross to any platform at the moment (as new memory standards always are, at introduction). It will be viable, eventually, but right now I'd rather have a DDR4 machine.

And AMD has not introduced a worthwhile midrange-budget desktop CPU since the 3600/3600x, and that was what, 2,5 years ago? No wonder people are starting to get annoyed with them. Intel has become a better value at the low-midrange.

lynx29meh, this is boring. all gamers want are improved gpu's, in-stock gpu's, whether mobile or non-mobile. improved cooling for mobile. any news outside of that is really 2/10. i mean these cpu's over the the 5800h mobile for example is prob what 2% difference in fps in most games? pointless. better to use that fab time for gpu's. meh.

FouquinI take it you smacked this comment into your keyboard before reading the post. These APUs have RDNA2 IGPs; the first significant step up in integrated graphics in nearly four years. Literally giving you exactly what you're complaining about.

lynx29no its not what I want at all, APU's can't game at all

FouquinOh my bad, I didn't realize you had insider information on the performance of these unreleased parts.

I'm not going to get into speculation with you. By the time I finish my rebuttal you'll have changed your mind and your signature will be all caps "REMBRANDT IS GOD" or something.

FouquinOh my bad, I didn't realize you had insider information on the performance of these unreleased parts.

I'm not going to get into speculation with you. By the time I finish my rebuttal you'll have changed your mind and your signature will be all caps "REMBRANDT IS GOD" or something.

bugWhat insider information? RDNA2 is a known quantity already.

FouquinThe specific performance of these parts is not, however. You won't know how capable these are until they are tested. You can extrapolate the FP numbers and guess, but that's all you'll be doing. Guessing.

bugYu have the core count and the frequencies. You can't tell the exact fps for a given game, but you can definitely tell it won't push 120fps in Witcher3 at the highest settings, for example.

lynx29no its not what I want at all, APU's can't game at all lol at least not the type of gaming I want - high refresh min fps of 110+ 1080p maxed out or at least high to very high settings in most games.

bugThe CPUs are nice, but I'd rather have more U and fewer H options. At 35-45W, the H chips won't give you much battery life. They're useful for mobile (sort of) workstations, but that's not what the public buys the most.

GamesloveWow max 35 W desktop CPU with 8 core / 16 HT, so good achievement.

londisteSo, they are going back to the stupid product line naming where mobile/APU and desktop CPU are not in sync?
5000-series was almost there with everything on Zen3 (except some mobile SKUs) but 6000-series mobile is Zen3+ and I doubt they will skip a number on desktop.

trsttteYes they can game and you're not most people. Most people buy low/middle end gpus and game at 60fps only. Pursuing very high settings is also the best way to loose performance for little to no visual gain

DrediWhat? Zen3+ is a different architecture than current 5000 series and thus a new series for it makes sense. 3d cache 5000 series is still just zen3, not zen3+ arch. Zen4 is again different architecture and 7000 series name is warranted.

lynx29I think if we had access to how many people enjoy gaming in high refresh these days, the numbers would be in my favor.

DrediWhat? Zen3+ is a different architecture than current 5000 series and thus a new series for it makes sense. 3d cache 5000 series is still just zen3, not zen3+ arch. Zen4 is again different architecture and 7000 series name is warranted.

bugWhat insider information? RDNA2 is a known quantity already.

The CPUs are nice, but I'd rather have more U and fewer H options. At 35-45W, the H chips won't give you much battery life. They're useful for mobile (sort of) workstations, but that's not what the public buys the most.

TheinsanegamerNThis is hilariously incorrect. My mechrevio1 uses a 4800h and when doing regular tasks battery life is comparable to a U series. The only time that TDP is needed is when running a production application that stresses both the CPU and GPU simultaniously: mainly games. Most software that only stresses the CPU or GPU will see maybe 20-22W power draw on a H seris chip. Photoshop scores, mainly running on a single core, are nearly identical between a 4700u and 4800h for this reason. For game sthough, the 4800h gives you a much more capable iGPU while still fitting into smaller machines and providing better battery life then dGPU setups of the same size.

This is not your daddy's 45w core 2 duo mobile chip.

trsttteIf they follow common sense and name Zen4 as 7000 series that's true, unfortunately that is both not confirmed and not usually the case with any company :kookoo:



We don't have info on specific refresh rates but we do have stats on most common resolution and most used graphics cards in the form of the steam HW survey. 1080p completely dominates and from the top 10 video cards, only 2 are above a 60series (1070 and 2070 super), with none being from current generation so yeah, I don't think so.