$20 a month?

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What are the download requirements for that? I'm sure there might be a few folk tempted to do it, only to find out their broadband isn't so broad.

And to be fair, at £1000 minimum for a 3080 (10Gb), $20 a month isn't so bad to game with the same performance (almost).

the54thvoidWhat are the download requirements for that? I'm sure there might be a few folk tempted to do it, only to find out their broadband isn't so broad.

And to be fair, at £1000 minimum for a 3080 (10Gb), $20 a month isn't so bad to game with the same performance (almost).

System delay and connection latencies will be an added issue.

Also, at one point, everyone loved Netflix; such a broad selection, etc etc, until... Now you need an Amazon sub to view "X", a Disney Sub to view "Y", blah blah etc. It never ends. But hey, I bet you will be one of those that will own nothing one day and be happy, yeah? lol

It's not so bad.. $20 here, another $20 there, another $20 over yonder, another $20 under, yeah, all of a sudden, not $20 anymore. The same thing will happen, NO THANKS.

I now know why Jensen is always in the kitchen - we are the damn frogs!

Legacy-ZASystem delay and connection latencies will be an added issue.

Also, at one point, everyone loved Netflix; such a broad selection, etc etc, until... Now you need an Amazon sub to view "X", a Disney Sub to view "Y", blah blah etc. It never ends. But hey, I bet you will be one of those that will own nothing one day and be happy, yeah? lol

It's not so bad.. $20 here, another $20 there, another $20 over yonder, another $20 under, yeah, all of a sudden, not $20 anymore. The same thing will happen, NO THANKS.

It was super obvious from the start. This is the good old 'subscribe to my magazine' world all over again. All that served was highly temporary nonsense to read and then end up in the paper bin. Every week. And at the end of it you did wonder 'man, how much money did I throw out that way' when you stop the contract and realize you have nothing. Then you also had services that bundled a bunch of magazines that were from a few months back and offered the old news at bottom price and bigger amounts. Latency? Sounds remarkably similar, that, too :)

Sure, entertainment can cost money. But you can own and control it for that amount. At least those paper magazines COULD be collected, bundled... But not anymore. Now its literally hot air. You can wake up one day and think you might continue reading an article, but the text might just be gone that day. Oops.

And the quality of the games on said services is also steadily dropping, much like the magazine content that was mostly focused on 'having something to read'. Didn't really matter what, its how we got the paparazzi in the first place :D

History... Repeats...

I don't really see the point of high-refresh gaming over a cloud service.

The single most appealing reason to invest in high-refresh monitors, CPUs, and GPUs that can feed them is reduced latency. Most people consider that pedestrian 75Hz monitors look smooth enough. The reason you go 144Hz or higher is to make it feel more responsive.

Cloud gaming services introduce a minimum of 25ms of latency, and that's ignoring your ISP latency too - In other words, if you were sat in a Geforce NOW datacenter, on the same <1ms latency LAN as the server itself, there would be latency added from the encode/decode/encryption/decryption/protocol chains that the service needs to operate.

Yes, there are incremental visual fluidity gains up to about 150Hz but at even just 90Hz you're already into diminishing returns for most of the population. You could double the framerate from 90 to 180Hz and most people wouldn't be able to tell. I've always been extremely sensitive to CRT flicker and motion fluidity and I can barely tell the difference between 120Hz and 165Hz myself.

Rather buy a real rtx 3080 with 20 bux a month on finance.

DorekRather buy a real rtx 3080 with 20 bux a month on finance.

You don't need a 3080 to play at 1440p120 either, which is all Geforce Now's 3080-tier subscription will get you.
3060Ti or 6700XT will cover that pretty comfortably in almost any game right now....

you will own nothing and you will be happy

Chrispy_You don't need a 3080 to play at 1440p120 either, which is all Geforce Now's 3080-tier subscription will get you.
3060Ti or 6700XT will cover that pretty comfortably in almost any game right now....

Good luck with that once you turn ray tracing on. A 3060 Ti doesn't come close to even 60fps in something like Cyberpunk with RT on, even with the help of DLSS. A 6700 XT is unusable with RT on in just about any game.

RTX. It’s how it’s payed.

AretakGood luck with that once you turn ray tracing on. A 3060 Ti doesn't come close to even 60fps in something like Cyberpunk with RT on, even with the help of DLSS. A 6700 XT is unusable with RT on in just about any game.

I mean, I said "almost any game", Mister Pedantic.

CP2077 is obviously the hardest thing to run on the market right now and it's not like the 3080 sails through it either. Without DLSS it's not going to hit 60fps, not even with a 3090. With DLSS you're looking at maybe 70fps at best, frequent dips down in the low 50's.

My 3060Ti will do 1440p60 with Balanced DLSS in 1.5 which is all you'd get with a 3080 with Quality DLSS. Pretty much every other AAA game right now runs just fine on a 3060Ti.

the54thvoidWhat are the download requirements for that? I'm sure there might be a few folk tempted to do it, only to find out their broadband isn't so broad.

And to be fair, at £1000 minimum for a 3080 (10Gb), $20 a month isn't so bad to game with the same performance (almost).

You got a point, but you should also consider:

$1500 to get the new GPU. You keep it for 2 years and sell it for $1000. You "lost" $500.
$500/24 (months) = $20.83

Now, the service may go up in price at any moment within those 2 years. Of course, you can cancel the service at any point to stop the bleeding, but you could also sell the GPU sooner to stop the decrease in value.

In the end, you owned the GPU and play games at the real performance level. You didn't need the internet connection required and the downsides pointed by others.

Legacy-ZASystem delay and connection latencies will be an added issue.

Also, at one point, everyone loved Netflix; such a broad selection, etc etc, until... Now you need an Amazon sub to view "X", a Disney Sub to view "Y", blah blah etc. It never ends. But hey, I bet you will be one of those that will own nothing one day and be happy, yeah? lol

It's not so bad.. $20 here, another $20 there, another $20 over yonder, another $20 under, yeah, all of a sudden, not $20 anymore. The same thing will happen, NO THANKS.

Big reason that piracy might be getting bigger again, people don't want to deal with that stuff.

I wonder how they deal with input lag on this? Or does it cease to matter when the price is right?

NVIDIA, the way you're meant to be played

thegnomeBig reason that piracy might be getting bigger again, people don't want to deal with that stuff.

I certainly hope so. I'm noticing the good old DRM-arrogance again in the publisher world. Muahaha we've got cloud now, suckers!

Rebalancing is needed and piracy is the way. Let's get a crapload less game releases and shite companies and enjoy whatever is left. The stuff that is worth looking at.

Vayra86Rebalancing is needed and piracy is the way.

I'm already doing my part - don't care about big companies but will always buy indie games. Dev paychecks don't get any bigger no matter how many sales the game gets - that's all going in the CEO's pocket.

Legacy-ZA$20 a month?

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Yo, but why?

Sounds cheapo, if you could play any game you own with it.

medi01Yo, but why?

Sounds cheapo, if you could play any game with it.

$20 a month gets you zero games; You have to buy the games too

Also it's not any game - though the list of supported games is pretty decent

Chrispy_$20 a month gets you zero games; You have to buy the games too

I see, edited it to "any game... you own".

It would be like renting a GPU.

Conceptually - environmentally friendly, as GPU can clearly be shared very effectively (very many people only game for a couple hours a day)

It is very much like renting a GPU for $20 a month.
You do get input lag though, I've not used Geforce Now but Stadia was supposed to have lower latency and that felt like playing at 20fps just because of the latency.
It's playable and obviously looks decent since it's running on a 3080 but I think most people prefer the responsiveness of a local GPU.
Thanks to DLSS and FSR you can now get a very decent experience out of sub-$300 graphics cards, so the real question is whether you plan to use Geforce Now for more than about a year....

Chrispy_It is very much like renting a GPU for $20 a month.
You do get input lag though, I've not used Geforce Now but Stadia was supposed to have lower latency and that felt like playing at 20fps just because of the latency.
It's playable and obviously looks decent since it's running on a 3080 but I think most people prefer the responsiveness of a local GPU.
Thanks to DLSS and FSR you can now get a very decent experience out of sub-$300 graphics cards, so the real question is whether you plan to use Geforce Now for more than about a year....

8 hours a day max, if what I'm read is accurate. I doubt everyone will have the same latency and I can see most players with less than optimal connections and lots of complaining.

DeathtoGnomes8 hours a day max, if what I'm read is accurate. I doubt everyone will have the same latency and I can see most players with less than optimal connections and lots of complaining.

Sightseeing games like SOTR or HZD are okay, I think.
If the game is a story-drive single-player experience, optimised for 30fps on console where input latency is expected to be >33ms anyway, adding another 25ms of lag isn't a horrible experience.
Personally, after trying Stadia with a 14ms latency to the nearest server I won't touch any cloud gaming service with a ten-foot pole but depending on your circumstances it may not be awful.

Chrispy_Sightseeing games like SOTR or HZD are okay, I think.
If the game is a story-drive single-player experience, optimised for 30fps on console where input latency is expected to be >33ms anyway, adding another 25ms of lag isn't a horrible experience.
Personally, after trying Stadia with a 14ms latency to the nearest server I won't touch any cloud gaming service with a ten-foot pole but depending on your circumstances it may not be awful.

In my area of michigan, if you get less than 40ms, its a fricking miracle, even on high speed cable.