Friday, April 22nd 2022

EKWB Lays Off 25% of Workforce, Blames Lower Watercooling Sales

EK Water Blocks, possibly the most notable manufacturer of DIY PC cooling solutions, has downsized a quarter of its staff in response to a sharp drop in sales. This affects over 60 of the 200+ tech jobs in Slovenia, the home country of EKWB, something it proudly flaunts. EKWB sees its sales principally split in half between the North American and European markets. The company's market-presence in Asia is limited at this time, although it is now a reinvigorated area of interest. The company noticed quarterly sales-drops in steps as big as 20 percent since October 2021, according to Slovenian press reports.

The company is faulting these sales drops on the COVID-19 pandemic, specifically its economic impact, spike in PC hardware prices, and people spending less on premium/novelty hardware that EKWB principally specializes in—DIY liquid cooling solutions. The company also noted the impact of the war in Ukraine causing various commodity shortages for manufacturers in Europe. Matjaž Krč (CEO, EKWB) in a statement even blamed the sociological impact of COVID-19, specifically gaps between pandemic waves that enable people to travel and enjoy the outdoors—not wanting to spend on things that keep them indoors, such as gaming.
It's pertinent here to add some context to this situation. EKWB had observed consistent financial growth over the past five years, including the pandemic quarters leading up to Q4-2021. The company was awarded by Slovenian chambers of commerce for its consistent growth and fiscal prudence. The company even expanded its payroll in 2021, by recruiting 64 new employees.

TechPowerUp spoke with EKWB and received this official statement from the company:
During the first quarter of 2022 EK, the leading computer liquid cooling solutions provider, observed signs that consumer spending was starting to decline in response to global events. Despite forecasting a reduction in demand for EU and USA during our 2021 Global Summit, the onset of conflicts in Ukraine saw sales drop below these expectations.

In response to these trends which indicated moderate willingness to spend, EK is taking early precautions to streamline our operations in Slovenia. Regretfully this involved a reduction in the number of employees by approximately 25%. Further plans were also initiated that will see EK enter new geographical markets and sales channels with more outstanding and innovative products.

Now more than ever EK is committed to delivering the quality and experience our loyal customers demand. We sincerely hope our actions will permit us to do this long into the future.
As a follow-up, we also got responses for a few quick questions we asked the company when we first got whiff of the development:

TechPowerUp: What was the time period that this 25% reduction is based on? Some ex-employees are claiming closer to 70 personnel laid off recently, and even more over the past couple of months.
EKWB: As mentioned, the 25% reduction happened as a one-time measure to optimize our operations. We grew rapidly in 2020 and 2021, recording more then 30% growth year to year. There was of course some fluctuation during this period, in 2021 4% to be exact. Which is really low compared to benchmarks in our industry. To put things a bit more into perspective: EK took part in Gallup poll of employee engagement survey in 2021 and we are in 6th percentile on a global level (only 6% of companies globally have more engaged employees than EK). We were and still are striving for best working environment. Shortly, EK was and still is one of the best places in the world to have career.

TechPowerUp: What would you say to those who will ask why not cut down on marketing events such as booths at PAX East etc?
EKWB: We had to adjust company to demand while structure company for growth. In terms of vision and strategy, nothing changed. We are dedicated to our vision of elevating computers for the better world. EK is a strong global brand and it is normal to be present in worldwide events such as PAX. Compared to larger hardware players, our presence is always more creative and we are creating significant impact with modest investments.
As said before, our presence on the global market will remain strong.

TechPowerUp: Going through LinkedIn earlier, it seems most of the people let go were R&D engineers/technology personnel. Will this affect future product plans? There don't seem to be any business/department managers let go.
EKWB: The reduction of employees was done almost proportionally in every department (with focus on future growth), R&D is our core domain and most of outstanding innovations are coming from this core, so it remains an integral part of EK.

(end of questions)

This downsizing is unlikely to threaten the company's existence, as it appears to be making business changes to stay relevant to the market. For starters, despite being a DIY water cooling components specialist, the company is making further inroads on the highly saturated pre-assembled all-in-one (AIO) coolers market, with entrenched players such as Antec, Cooler Master, Corsair, and Thermaltake all fighting for market share. It even showed off certain air-cooling solutions in recent EKWB Expo online-events, and this is on top of the enterprise and OEM business it does. Certainly change is a must as the DIY cooling consumer market is seeing several smaller brands disappear, and others having fallen prey to debt defaulting. Regardless of how you feel about this, losing jobs is never something we want to see, and we wish everyone who was laid off the best for their future endeavors.
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90 Comments on EKWB Lays Off 25% of Workforce, Blames Lower Watercooling Sales

#51
tkpenalty
TheinsanegamerNUmmm.....the same guys are STILL IN CHARGE so it is entirely relevant to bring up. Trust is hard to earn and easy to burn.


Nah we're just gonna keep releasing products for stock reference boards only. Let's raise prices, that'll fix it


There's also cooler design to consider. Air cooling has made massive strides, and the embracing of triple slot cards gives air cards a lot more breathing room.

My 6800xt for example runs at 55c average and 72c hotspot, running a mild OC at 300w average power draw. While doing so the card is almost inaudible.

With a cooler like that who needs a waterblock
Posting here after not being on TPU for 10 years (good to see you're still here) but, at least they have made attempts to fix the problem - they're very active on SNS / trawl through reddit to help people with issues.
Regardless or not if the person in charge was the issue, they've changed their ways, and also I don't think that's driven sales away.

I agree though, why do they only release for reference / some AIB-only designs when Barrow/Bykski are immediately ready for every model on the market?

I kind of disagree about the comparison between a waterblock and a triple slot cooler. No GPU with fans on it is remotely silent, unless you're talking about the 3070 Noctua.
Also using 3 to 4 slots is ludicrous...

Anyway they're premium / more luxury products, given what's been going on I think people are starting run out of money to be so lavish. Sure an AIO is not really that close to say a custom loop in performance, but it's -enough- for most people.

Some of it has been self afflicted - they had some serious supply issues since the pandemic started. I get they need to keep their manufacturing in Slovenia, but vs say all the Taiwan/China ODMs they'd lose out supply chain wise pretty easily.

I was talking to some distributors in Australia and they claimed that EKWB literally couldn't sell any custom watercooling stuff - it was backordered by months, as of last week. It's either they can't ship it, or have the raw materials to make it - so blaming it on COVID-19 is pretty legitimate. There's also a madman throwing missiles around fairly close by...
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#52
Thaodan
dgianstefaniCorsair has better WB for half the price, and Optimus has ones that are much much better for similar prices.

The only thing I use EK for are tubes and fittings.
I think Corsair can sell things like this cheaper to attract more people to their other products.
Also Corsair has a wider product like and can take a loss on something like this that is used by a much smaller audience anyway.

Corsair probably also creates their products in China for cheaper.
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#53
pathfindercod
Their sales have dropped because they have gone batshit crazy with their prices on water blocks.
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#54
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
Well, they had some really shonky product quality for a bit there :/

My GPU blocks are designed to work as a pair (the active backplate cannot be used with ANY other product) and yet they didnt match up the RGB lighting in any way at all - they look totally different. Oriented on opposite sides, different LED counts, and the lighting only lights half the backplate (by design!)
One LED has already died, too.
Trivial issue, but the ARGB cords come out opposite ends as well... they're a matching pair. Make the cables near each other and the same length, ffs.


And as for their coolants... 4 bottles had to go in the bin after turning into clag, and permanently marking and damaging those blocks. It's only visual damage but FFS, they need to do better.
(Yes, they sent me other coolants to replace them. No, i did not ask for replacement blocks over cosmetic issues)
erockerAIO's. Why bother with a cumbersome open loops when AIO's have become pretty foolproof and offer good performance.
Not too many AIO's for GPU's out there these days
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#55
Palladium
Not one bit shocked, as someone who will never touch custom liquid cooling.
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#56
ypsylon
I would argue simply: what did they really expect?

EK pricing was on weed and meta-amphetamine for at least 4 years (say end of 1xxx cards). Blocks were ridiculously expensive compared to competitors. There was 0 reasons to increase prices between 1xxx series and 2xxx GPUs from Nvidia, but they did it. EK completely f*ed up Threadripper blocks at first try. Then those stupidly expensive CPU blocks for 250 Euros, WTH will buy them if performance was worse than blocks for 100 Euros? EK simply overextended into "luxury GAMING!!! enthusiast" and skimped on broadening the range. And if they actually manufactured this in EU not in China they wouldn't have to rely on shipping across the World.

Of course because of Covid logistic went to hell with constant delays and shutdown. That surely has some bearing on this, but only some.

Metal pricing went through the roof. With Nickel recently after Russian invaded Ukraine hit like 35000$/t. China bought huge quota before invasion started so prices went like so :snap fingers: to the stratosphere. Now with Ukraine destroyed 3rd biggest nickel producer is gone. Copper went up and up for years except small dip in 2020 (~4.5k$), but now that's solid 10k$/t and climbing.

I have now only 3 EK blocks, one for 3090 and 2 for 1080Tis. They're fine, that 3090 was kind of expensive, but backplate was absolutely required, because aircooled 3090 just cooks itself when rendering. I like simple aesthetics, but I efing hate that you have to dismantle new blocks to take out all the RGB crap (that's not only EK problem). I always thought that liquid cooling is about functionality not RGB-puke rainbows.
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#57
Funytimes
bonehead123"Further plans were also initiated that will see EK enter new geographical markets and sales channels with more outstanding and innovative products."

So, you wanna enter new markets and make moar new stuff, but you wanna do this with way fewer employees....... good luck witdat :roll:

Well, the question TPU failed to ask, and they were certainly weren't gonna volunteer is:

How many 7-8 figure execs are you gonna let go and/or how many of them are gonna take a pay cut to help your bottom line ??????

oh do tell pleeze....
None of the execs. And there is way to many execs in the company. Each exec had to pick employees from their team and let them go...
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#58
Hossein Almet
They downsize the staffs in Slovenia, because they now outsource some the production to China.
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#59
LiveOrDie
Well maybe sales would be better if they didn't change so much for the waterblock you can buy a new GPU for the same cost lol.
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#60
aciDev
ypsylonEK simply overextended into "luxury GAMING!!! enthusiast" and skimped on broadening the range. And if they actually manufactured this in EU not in China they wouldn't have to rely on shipping across the World.
You have perfectly expressed my feelings.

Hi EK,
You know, we're not all youtubers!
Personally, I'm not going to pay 28%(345€) of the price I shelled out for an already overpriced video card(MSRP price) for waterblock and backplate.
Especially since its resale value is practically null. In my experience I know that video cards with custom loop WBs sell for less than air cooled ones.


...and it seems like I'm not the only one.
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#61
N3utro
Sad for EKWB and the people who got laid off.

I had a full EK loop before with awesome results and 0 problems.

Yes their prices are high but quality has a price.

It's not surprising that ppl are buying less watercooling solutions since miners dont watercool and they are getting all the cards for 2 years now. It wont get better for EKWB until gpus aren't used for mining anymore
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#62
MagnuTron
Perhaps if they didn't poach their workstation system integrator customers like me, I would give an F...
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#63
onemanhitsquad
I know that their prices have gone up drastically....CNC machining has come a long way and gotten cheaper...300 , 400 close to 500 for water blocks is pretty crazy
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#64
TheDoctor-1280
Ek has priced thselves out of the market. Waterblicks that used to go for $150 ate now ovet $300. Their quality has gone down over the years. They only have themselves to blame
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#65
MarsM4N
Stock coolers on GPU's have also got pretty decent. And AMD did a great job with energy efficiency. So there is for the most not much reason to water coola GPU.
They just put a AIO in their system, mainly because it looks cleaner. A 65W CPU will even stay pretty cool with a boxed air cooler.

If people had money they would still buy custom, but inflation & exploding energy bills hitting hard. ;) Every company that sells "non essential" items will feel it, EKWB is not the first & will not be the last. When poorer folks get hit with 10% inflation, they have 10% less to spend. If they can spend less there is a company on the other end with sales loss, resulting in layoffs. And jobless folks can spend even less. Our economy is in a downwards spiral & some companies will go out of business. Period.

That's just how it is in our capitalist world. :) "It's never got any better, be happy with what you got." George Carlin
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#66
ThrashZone
Hi,
GPU water block is better than have a three fan hover in your ears :laugh:

Except when they cost 400.us for an freaking FE it's just whack
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#67
jmeistr
It's due to lack of quality and increased prices imo. I rather buy from their competitors these days.
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#68
kapone32
I bought my first EK block after I saw videos on Youtube that my 6800XT would be 45 C for both the current and Junction temp. I pulled the trigger on that. At the time it was $129.99 Euros. After about 3 months I noticed that my temps were higher than normal. When I looked in the PC I saw that the gasket between the block and the inlet had failed and there was a fountain of liquid spraying across the PC. I contacted EK and the first thing they said to me was that it could have been my fault for not setting the flow correctly. When I said the manual for the block shows the in from the bottom and out from the top. They then said to me that I had only ordered a block but no EK fittings or tubing. I said I have always used Alphacool Quick connect tubing. They decided that they would not honour my warranty as a result. Thankfully I still had my Alphacool block and that has been going strong ever since. I can deal with junctions temps of 70 C. I went on their website the other day and the exact same block is now $183.99 Euros. Of course I will not be buying anything from EK. The other thing is how foolish some of their decisions have been e.g. Release a Monoblock for AM4 but specifically for 1 brand MB that is not even considered the top end. Leaving people with money and sense to wonder how they could expect people who are in the know to buy anything.

www.ekwb.com/shop/EK-IM/EK-IM-3831109833728.pdf
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#69
TheUn4seen
TheinsanegamerNToys for "rich kids" have far higher margins then alternators. Apples and oranges.

Your argument doesn't hold up, the rest of the PC market has seen huge increases in sales. Companies like arctic are selling everything they can make. The GPU shortage is still going on. Other water cooling companies are bringing in new products all the time.

I agree they likely have too many people.
True about missed comparison, but my point, expressed indirectly, was that such a big number of people seems very unnecessary for a niche company and probably has more to do with management wanting to boast about the size of the company and less about actual needs. It's a fairly common problem, especially among small companies. Additionally, my argument was exactly as you noticed, the PC market is growing steadily - although be very careful with statistics, corporations buying millions of computers for their remote employees skew them a fair bit - while the EKEB CEO tries to justify layoffs by claiming the market is shrinking
OperandiI have no experience with EK or any of their competitor products for the reasons you just stated but I would say being niche is ok, even being boutique is ok but is it any functionally different than cheaper more mass produced alternatives? Whenever you get to the very high-end of any market value kinda goes out the window but you should still be getting something that sets it out from a functional and quality perspective, not just a pretty finish and expensive materials.

My high-end full suspension trail bike is full of expensive components (some of them probably considered boutique) that are made in the US, Switzerland, Spain, Italy, and Japan, in comparatively low quanitiy in places with more expensive labor. None of them would be considered a good value really but at the same time they are not vastly outside the price range of similar components made Taiwan or China and aside from just being really well made and bling factor offer something that is functionally different.

The fact that EK quality apparently isn't that great and the staff they just laid off is from the engineering side of things doesn't exactly paint a rosy picture for whats happening there.
As above. I'm fairly sure EKWB had a similar number of employees to Santa Cruz Bicycles which raises the question of management quality at EKWB. If a company has this number of employees and still has problems with their product quality on a niche market, well, it probably is just a shit company.
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#70
caroline!
EKWB is the Apple of PC watercooling parts, only hardcore fanboys or people with a lots of money and no knowledge buy their products.

$200 for a rad, $120 for a block, $60 for red distilled water... hilarious.
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#71
gasolina
erockerAIO's. Why bother with a cumbersome open loops when AIO's have become pretty foolproof and offer good performance.
i did purchase an Enermax liqmax iii 120 and swap with 360mm copper radiator and the performance is amazing , the aio only 40-50$ and the radiator alone is 35$ for a magicool 360mm radiator could pay twice or triple for ek or anything thicker but 1-3*c different with 2-3 times higher price is not what i'm looking for .
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#72
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
trespotAverage quality, somewhat good looking products with ridiculous price tags, no need to look somewhere else EKWB you did this to yourself.
You are selling passive backplate for 45 EUR and 150 EUR for a very simple active backplate that only suckers would buy.
Ek is overrated to me
caroline!EKWB is the Apple of PC watercooling parts, only hardcore fanboys or people with a lots of money and no knowledge buy their products.

$200 for a rad, $120 for a block, $60 for red distilled water... hilarious.
Alphacool make custom monoblocks for gpus which is noice
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#73
ErikG
To expensive water blocks, no surprised.
Support zero.
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#74
chrcoluk
Too many skus, need one water block to work on all models of a gpu chip then higher margins, less development.
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#75
Unregistered
Just buy Byski or barrow stuff. Used both and they are fine for less than 50% the cost of EK. I have a EK CPU block, the RGB led strip on it failed, they sent another, guess what.....It has failed again. I have taken it off. I have switched my res/pump combo from EK FLT to a AQ ultitube as the EK had zero isolation from the case, now i cannot even hear the pump even on 100%, how hard would it have been for EK to do the same. I am using EK rads as they are pretty good and imo a rad is a rad (guess i will get proven wrong, shrug) but for a couple of degrees difference, buy the ones you like or are available.

The temps and sound of my PC gaming can not be matched or beaten on air, and that is why i have a custom CPU/GPU loop. Also if you have a beefy GPU, why would you want possibly 300w of heat dumping into your case relying on your case fans to get it out, when with my loop it is immediately dumped out of the case.

EK certainly need to look at their prices and quality a tad.
chrcolukToo many skus, need one water block to work on all models of a gpu chip then higher margins, less development.
unfortunately that is not really possible. There are generic blocks but they are usually GPU only and don't cool the ram or vrm. If all GPU's where the same it would work but they are not.
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