Monday, June 6th 2022
Intel LGA1851 to Succeed LGA1700, Probably Retain Cooler Compatibility
Intel's next-generation desktop processor socket will be the LGA1851. Leaked documents point to the next-generation socket being of identical dimensions to the current LGA1700, despite the higher pin-count, which could indicate cooler compatibility between the two sockets, much in the same way as the LGA1200 retained cooler-compatibility with prior Intel sockets tracing all the way back to the LGA1156. The current LGA1700 will service only two generations of Intel Core, the 12th Generation "Alder Lake," and the next-gen "Raptor Lake" due for later this year. "Raptor Lake" will be Intel's last desktop processor built on a monolithic silicon, as the company transitions to multi-chip modules.
Intel Socket LGA1851 will debut with the 14th Gen Core "Meteor Lake" processors due for late-2023 or 2024; and will hold out until the 15th Gen "Arrow Lake." Since "Meteor Lake" is a 3D-stacked MCM with a base tile stacked below logic tiles; the company is making adjustments to the IHS thickness to end up with an identical package thickness to the LGA1700, which would be key to cooler-compatibility, besides the socket's physical dimensions. Intel probably added pin-count to the LGA1851 by eating into the "courtyard" (the central gap in the land-grid), because the company states that the pin-pitch hasn't changed from LGA1700.
Sources:
BenchLife.info, VideoCardz
Intel Socket LGA1851 will debut with the 14th Gen Core "Meteor Lake" processors due for late-2023 or 2024; and will hold out until the 15th Gen "Arrow Lake." Since "Meteor Lake" is a 3D-stacked MCM with a base tile stacked below logic tiles; the company is making adjustments to the IHS thickness to end up with an identical package thickness to the LGA1700, which would be key to cooler-compatibility, besides the socket's physical dimensions. Intel probably added pin-count to the LGA1851 by eating into the "courtyard" (the central gap in the land-grid), because the company states that the pin-pitch hasn't changed from LGA1700.
197 Comments on Intel LGA1851 to Succeed LGA1700, Probably Retain Cooler Compatibility
I still prefer the AMD approach but this is a non issue.
Board swaps being a pain depends on how often you change setups. If you are loaded and can drop £700+ at will for a new setup, why would you care. Only people who can't afford it will be bothered. I can't really afford it but still don't care, as I keep my setups long enough to be worthwhile to me.
Maybe anyone who is bothered by the way Intel does this should stick to AMD and have a nice new CPU in a old board.
If my opinion is that board swaps are a pain why should I care about what you or birdie thinks. So why even reply to my comment then.
But you are here dismissing opinions as irrelevant,as is birdie.
Because they don't align with yours?!.
It would be ideal if they overprovision 1000 pins for future use for 64 PCIe and quad channel, but nobody can predict that and the motherboard vendors need planned obsolescence to exist to sustain their profits.
There are more CPUs going to ewaste than motherboards, since there are more of it. Not enough motherboards for all the CPUs in circulation. That is why the chinese makers recycle chipsets for old sockets and xeons and such.You should see the bates 4000 movie, hilariousBGA 2551
How can you possibly mistake BGA for LGA.
The ball grid is made with balls, so the contacts look very circular, and for the land grid the contacts are elongated and tilted.
It's a good thing we geeks are the only ones that care. Wars have been started for less!
2. Not an argument amigo, except if you are an Intel shareholder. (By the way, I am an Intel shareholder)*
3. Not an argument amigo, it's a completely irrelevant comment.
4. You sabotage yourself amigo. Saying that people keep their systems for 3-7 years is an argument in favor of offering more CPU generations to the owner of a motherboard. And AM4 shows that someone CAN have meaningful upgrade options after 3-7 years, options that can offer over 100% performance in multitasking (5950X) or in games (5800X3D).
5. The only one screaming here is you because we have the nerve to point at an obvious fact. That buyers of Raptor Lake CPUs wouldn't be able to upgrade to something newer.
You do seem to want to vindicate what Intel does and it does looks like that you do care.
And by the way. Forcing people to replace equipment, because there isn't an upgrade path longer than 2 gens, does translate to pollution. All companies pollute with their choices, it's just that some pollute more when they decide that a particular part will lose it's value faster.
*But I am also a customer.
10500 & B560
I don't feel the need to upgrade. If so, there is 11900K at the price of i7. For gaming and home use, changing processors every two years is stupid. Waste!I just remembered that AMD "found" the 300 chipset compatibility with the 5000 processor only at the end of the series' life. And budget processors, under $ 250, at the same time.:)
Because the AMD platform is the smarter choice, in the end. Simply said - higher performance (the Ryzen 9 5950X is still the world's fastest mainstream CPU available), lower power consumption (in 105-watt envelope), better motherboard longevity - multi-year support.
On the other hand people could find compatibility where Intel couldn't.
Funny isn't it?
As all modern processors are very powerful in their area, it seems that it would be better for the buyer to avoid buying a new processor due to incompatible motherboard. You can live without running benchmarks.
But if you insist on games, you should compare with 5800X3D.
Then you will say "but people don't just play games on their PCs and 12900K is better than 5800X3D in encodings".......;)
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even you. You are the one dismissing mine, by arguing with me about it.
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None of my friends who are not tech enthusiasts don't even know about this whole "catastrophe", "Intel ripping people off", "Intel destroying the environment". Some run PCs built over a decade ago and they are 100% content with their PCs performance (the only thing I did was upgrading RAM from 4GB to 8GB, that's it).
/Thread.I've noticed that people for the past three years have been willing to hate, cry foul and call for "justice" a whole lot more than e.g. a decade ago. Must be COVID-19 or general instability. It's in human nature to be on the lookout for "enemies" when your world is crumbling down. "Intel??? I HATE THEM. THEY REQUIRE PEOPLE TO CHANGE MOTHERBOARDS EVERY TWO CPU GENERATIONS! SCUM! THIEVES! CON ARTISTS! I LAST UPGRADED MY CPU FOUR YEARS AGO BUT ANYWAYS! I HATE THEM!!!!"
But that's not to say I don't prefer AMD's longevity of sockets.
Or that my opinion could be altered by yours.
And I DO detest a socket out one year through two short generations.
But after buying a simple B450 AMD board, you will be free to upgrade from Athlon 200GE to Ryzen 9 5950X which is pretty damn impressive.
Or from Ryzen 5 1600 launched back in 2017 to the latest and fastest Ryzen 9 5950X.
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