rabbahronaYou missed the best deal on the 3070ti, as did all the Prime Day reports! Best Buy was selling the Asus Tuf 3070ti for $449 for Total Tech members. I was lucky enough to get one before they ran out!

that's for members, not for regular Joes like the rest of us. Also, 3070Tis over here are still selling over $900 to a grand, so whatever you said about it getting "price cut" is completely irrelevant when the rest of us outside of the US aren't getting the price changes NoVideo promised.

Tsukiyomi91the inevitable reality of slipping into irrelevance is what makes anyone do stupid things.

IMHO I've head a rumor that he's in be with people in EVGA. I never did like his recent stuff as he's just another failure in Generation FAIL. His early stuff was not bad at all but he fell into the digital economy a loooong time ago. I believe that he might has money issues as he upgraded his working area and of course the usual brags about his muscle cars. I could be wrong, however I'm pretty damned shrewed with my money.
I don't make the mistakes that 98% of the people in the US do with their wealth.

Well you know that his upgrades were done shortly before the inflation hit. There is really nothing worthy of tech news for Vbloggers for over a year and people who make this their prime time money maker are hurting. The nonsense about him tell people to buy now is IMHO a gimmick to make money from gullible people that will flock on any sort of news about NGREEDIA. If he would have mentioned anything about AMD I probably give him a pass but he did not that day.

So it seems he he did it for the money (around 4 grand for that video so far with 800,000 viewers) as well as IMHO shilling for... You know who.

Speaking about AMD... Their cards are below, on, or slightly above MSRP on all of its video cards. So what happened?

This is what happened since I have to know these things as 60% of my investments can be affected by the economy.
1. 9.1 Inflation rate in the US, due to the governments methods of dealing with the economy. People do not have money.
2. Crypto hemorrhaging. Miners are dumping their cards on the market.
3. Card makers have overstock of new cards.
4. New generation of cards are coming in.... However I can see both NGREEDIA and AMD postponing their launch dates to 2023 because of the flood of cards on the market.
5. The high energy cost of digital mining. Come on man everyone and their mother thinks it free but this has caused more damage to our environment indirectly than people think that it has.

IMHO This nonsense of NGREEDIA having this 1 week special is just that... nonsense and overall doublespeak lies. IMHO they did this because of what happened above as well as looking at AMD Video Cards suddenly dropping in price last week.

As of 7-17-22 AMD's basic Cards on New Egg.

6700XT = 449 = MSI Mech Radeon RX 6700 XT 12GB GDDR6 PCI Express 4.0 Video Card RX 6700 XT MECH 2X 12G
6800 = 599 = ASRock Radeon RX 6800 Phantom Gaming D Gaming Graphics Card with 16GB GDDR6, AMD RDNA 2 (RX6800 PGD 16GO)
6800XT = 689 = ASRock Radeon RX 6800 XT Phantom Gaming D Gaming Graphics Card with 16GB GDDR6, AMD RDNA 2 (RX6800XT PGD 16GO)
6900XT = 798 =ASRock Radeon RX 6900 XT PHANTOM GAMING D Graphics Card 16GB GDDR6, AMD RDNA2 (RX6900XT PGD 16GO)

These prices are at or around MSRP. Will it get any lower??? It might but then again I've seen it go up when I purchased most of my components back in 2019.

I just wanted to show you people that there is a lot going on that people are not really talking about.

ratirtFirst they bump the prices from previous gen ......... then they use covid to literally kick the prices to a 300% over MSRP, and now they cut the prices ..... Classic NV.

I feel it's important to delineate that you've used the word they to imply NV at all times, when it clearly wasn't NV at all times.

Give the miners and scalpers the special place in hell recognition they deserve.

wolfI feel it's important to delineate that you've used the word they to imply NV at all times, when it clearly wasn't NV at all times.

Give the miners and scalpers the special place in hell recognition they deserve.

Imply NV by saying they? I did not imply anything.
They meaning people working in the company who make decisions, and yes the decisions are made internally about sales plan and the market etc. in NV so that is why they. I don't think you should delineate anything. People reading my post will know what I meant for sure but thanks anyway.

ratirtPrice cuts?
First they bump the prices from previous gen and they have been doing this for few gens now, then they use covid to literally kick the prices to a 300% over MSRP.

Classic NV

ratirtImply NV by saying they? I did not imply anything.

They clearly implies NV in the first instance and with how you round it off, it can be assumed they continues to mean NV, but NV didn't charge people 300% over MSRP for cards, they already charged a high MSRP for the 3090 then followed with high MSRP's for future GA102 based products. If Nvidia thought they could triple the MSRP from the outset, they would have, rather than letting 'they' (other forces like scalpers, partners, miners etc) pump up the street price.

ratirtPeople reading my post will know what I meant for sure but thanks anyway.

The fact I'm responding means it had the ability to be misleading, it just fell onto ears that like the narrative, but hey thanks anyway for giving your opinion, happy to leave it at a misunderstanding.

wolfThey clearly means NV in the first instance, it can be assumed they continues to mean NV, but NV didn't charge people 300% over MSRP for cards.

wolfThe fact I'm responding means it had the ability to be misleading, it just fell onto ears that like the narrative.

I know what I meant since I wrote it. Misleading? That is my opinion. You dont have to agree with it but please don't patronize me with what I said thinking that maybe this is not what I wanted to say.
NV knew about the pricing and they have deliberately increased the price of the GPUs. You don't have to agree. Like I say, the MSRP was only on paper and everybody knows that and that is my point. Now, they have cut the price and it is still above the MSRPs which were given with the previous gen which in fact, were also high.
Didn't charge 300%? And how do you know that? Because NV said so? As far as all know NV refused to disclose mining sales and still advertised the sale as gaming. So if that is the case then yes they were selling for 300% MSRP to gamers. If they were not selling to gamers, they have lied how much they have sold to gamers and the prices hike was by their doing due to direct sales to miners by a sky rocket price 300% MSRP which has affected gamers as well.

ratirtThat is my opinion

ratirtYou don't have to agree

ratirtDidn't charge 300%? And how do you know that?

And you know they did how? never mind, I don't want a continuation of your 'opinion' of the situation answer anyway, I gather I won't find it very convincing or authentic.

Of course, say what you want, you've made it clear you definitely intended to say it exactly that way whether it was based on facts or opinions.

wolfAnd you know they did how? never mind, I don't want a continuation of your 'opinion' of the situation answer anyway, I gather I won't find it very convincing or authentic.

Of course, say what you want, you've made it clear you definitely intended to say it exactly that way whether it was based on facts or opinions.

I said, it is my opinion you implied NV didn't raised the MSRP 300%. So I asked how do you know since all odds point to contrary which you didnt not answer instead asked me how do I know right?
My opinion is based on facts that have transpired either you like it or not. Just because you refuse to knowledge it, doesn't mean I'm not right. If you have information or facts that would support your statement please share. I'm sure a lot of us would like to hear it aka read it.

ratirtI said, it is my opinion you implied NV didn't raised the MSRP 300%. So I asked how do you know since all odds point to contrary which you didnt not answer instead asked me how do I know right?
My opinion is based on facts that have transpired either you like it or not. Just because you refuse to knowledge it, doesn't mean I'm not right. If you have information or facts that would support your statement please share. I'm sure a lot of us would like to hear it aka read it.

I can tell this discussion will be fruitless, so I'm not sure what I have to gain by proving NVidia didn't raise the MSRP of any Ampere card to 300% above it's original MSRP after launch, assuming that's actually what you meant, but it just didn't happen, so I don't know what you want from me. What the MSRP set by NVidia is and what the market decides something is worth are very different things, with many people and factors in-between NVidia and the eventual consumers, yet here we are seemingly at an impasse over a mixture of freely available information, some information neither of us will ever know, choices of words, and importantly some connecting of dots done very differently, without irrefutable evidence, and in such case whom is the burden of proof on? I'd argue the one claiming the 'fact', but I know it can't be done.

I'm happy to agree to disagree here.

wolfI can tell this discussion will be fruitless, so I'm not sure what I have to gain by proving NVidia didn't raise the MSRP of any Ampere card to 300% above it's original MSRP after launch, assuming that's actually what you meant, but it just didn't happen, so I don't know what you want from me. What the MSRP set by NVidia is and what the market decides something is worth are very different things, with many people and factors in-between NVidia and the eventual consumers, yet here we are seemingly at an impasse over a mixture of freely available information, some information neither of us will ever know, choices of words, and importantly some connecting of dots done very differently, without irrefutable evidence, and in such case whom is the burden of proof on? I'd argue the one claiming the 'fact', but I know it can't be done.

I'm happy to agree to disagree here.

I never wanted anything from you I just posted my what I think about the situation. You started questioning me so i continued with my notion and elaborated on the subject and then you just refuse to give any information or insight. It's fine. Lets move on.

ratirtthen you just refuse to give any information or insight. It's fine. Lets move on.

The issue I have (genuine issue with myself, caused me considerable grief) is often when I see opinions presented as facts, that aren't or require proving for me to be satisfied (like a jury, hard evidence or beyond all reasonable doubt), I jump in pretty much just to say that / point it out.

It's not even to try and prove the opposite in a lot of cases, just to stubbornly interject, and in these cases leave my record that I disagreed and that the original post just might not be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, after all some people believe anything they read or look for validation from others who talk with authority on a given matter, and I feel they would benefit from it being pointed out that it just might not be.

It's one of the various hills I'll die on :roll:

wolfThe issue I have (genuine issue with myself, caused me considerable grief) is often when I see opinions presented as facts, that aren't or require proving for me to be satisfied (like a jury, hard evidence or beyond all reasonable doubt), I jump in pretty much just to say that / point it out.

That is unfair towards me since now you imply I have presented my opinion as fact which is wrong. My opinion is based on a fact. You, on the other hand, has failed to give any. The difference of opinion can happen. You disagree and I'm OK with it.
Well the truth. NV wanted to hide the truth from the public but inevitable has happened and it all came out. That is where my opinion was formed.

I wish you long life bro. Don't die too soon. Life is worth living :) even tough it sucks sometimes ;/

ratirtThat is unfair towards me since now you imply I have presented my opinion as fact which is wrong.

I'll cop that on the chin, that's on me.

ratirtMy opinion is based on a fact. You, on the other hand, has failed to give any.

Well I think we're back to agree to disagree there :p I'm not sure what evidence/facts you require to show that NV didn't raise the MSRP of cards 300% (also a stickler for the exact words/numbers used), which didn't happen, but I suppose I'd happily try and find any that you'd accept? I'm not sure what facts you want that I could provide you... a link to the Nvidia website showing MSRP's? the Wikipedia page on 30 series cards? hardware Unboxed pricing updates showing MSRP vs street prices over the months?

Your opinion like all opinions is based on more than only facts too, hence why it's an opinion, or it would just plainly be a fact that is spoken or written.

wolfI'll cop that on the chin, that's on me.

Well I think we're back to agree to disagree there :p I'm not sure what evidence/facts you require to show that NV didn't raise the MSRP of cards 300% (also a stickler for the exact words/numbers used), which didn't happen, but I suppose I'd happily try and find any that you'd accept? I'm not sure what facts you want that I could provide you... a link to the Nvidia website showing MSRP's? the Wikipedia page on 30 series cards? hardware Unboxed pricing updates showing MSRP vs street prices over the months?

Your opinion like all opinions is based on more than only facts too, hence why it's an opinion, or it would just plainly be a fact that is spoken or written.

Opinions are like ass. Each one has its own.
My opinion is based on facts but I get that people can have a different opinion with the same facts.
Moving on bro really.

ratirtMy opinion is based on facts but I get that people can have a different opinion with the same facts.

Then we're back to disagreeing on the facts :roll:

ratirtMoving on bro really.

Yeah me too, we just disagree, and that's OK.

wolfThen we're back to disagreeing on the facts :roll:

I'm really curious about the facts you disagree with but don't feel obligated to answer. I know everything I need to know. Facts are facts like a hard indisputable information.

ratirtI'm really curious about the facts you disagree with

That Nvidia themselves raised the MSRP 300%, unless that was your opinion claim, but you claim the opinion is based on facts, and I've yet to see any hard indisputable information proving this was the case, which I don't expect to see because I don't think it exists or will be able to be found if it does, so as you say, don't feel obligated to answer.

ratirtFacts are facts like a hard indisputable information.

We've gotten somewhere, we agree on the definition!

wolfThat Nvidia themselves raised the MSRP 300%, unless that was your opinion claim, but you claim the opinion is based on facts, and I've yet to see any hard indisputable information proving this was the case, which I don't expect to see because I don't think it exists or will be able to be found if it does, so as you say, don't feel obligated to answer.

I will answer unlike you. Obviously opinion based on the revenue and units sold allegedly to gamers (among other) which we know was not the case. So if you consider the revenue during the chip shortage and units sold, the MSRP must have been way higher than initially stated. Obviously it was higher and all of the cards were sold directly to miners thus the revenue despite chip shortage.
You have 2020 with a 42% increase in revenue vs 2021 with a 62% increase. Units sold in 2020 is stated at 42m units in 2021 50m units. Significant revenue increase over 60% even thought the difference in cards sold was around 10% more. At least that's what the fiscal data say. No mining data disclose.

I guess miracles do happen :)

ratirtObviously opinion

Indeed it is, the rest I'll leave for you to connect the dots of vague fiscal data and alleged reports/sales, give opinions etc. as you see fit :)

wolfIndeed it is, the rest I'll leave for you to connect the dots of vague fiscal data and alleged reports/sales, give opinions etc. as you see fit :)

Vague fiscal data? This is what has been announced by NVidia not me so if these are false maybe you can give the correct ones? Apparently NVidia does not have the correct information. As of now you have not given anything my friend except steering away from the subject making my reflections and conclusions moot so far.

ratirtVague fiscal data?

I didn't say it was incorrect, just vague. I'll sum our discussion up this way, what I see is a lot of conjecture informing your opinion.

I never really intended to give anything, just question your 'facts', and I certainly got what I sought from doing so. I'm out!

wolfI didn't say it was incorrect, just vague. I'll sum our discussion up this way, what I see is a lot of conjecture informing your opinion.

I never really intended to give anything, just question your 'facts', and I certainly got what I sought from doing so. I'm out!

That is so damn funny. So what that means you just wanted to troll my posts and conclusions defending a company without giving anything back. That's very bad of you.
Believe me these are not vague or wrong. My opinion has been formed with data NV has posted in their fiscal report in 2021 and 2022.

ratirtdefending a company

Not in search of anything but facts, rather than conjecture and opinions, which is all I've discovered here.

ratirtThat's very bad of you

ratirtBelieve me these are not vague or wrong

That's just it, I don't believe you as what you've presented hasn't nearly been compelling enough for me to draw the same conclusions as you, and I'm not interested in trying to prove the opposite, far from it, I just wanted to see how much evidence you opinion was based on. Think of me what you will, call it whatever you want, I won't lose any sleep over it.

And on that note, setting to ignore, perhaps it's best you do the same if you feel like this is trolling.

wolfNot in search of anything but facts, rather than conjecture and opinions, which is all I've discovered here.


That's just it, I don't believe you as what you've presented hasn't nearly been compelling enough for me to draw the same conclusions as you, and I'm not interested in trying to prove the opposite, far from it, I just wanted to see how much evidence you opinion was based on. Think of me what you will, call it whatever you want, I won't lose any sleep over it.

And on that note, setting to ignore, perhaps it's best you do the same if you feel like this is trolling.

Well you disregard NV reports saying it is vague since I bring it up to prove some of my findings and conclusion because you just believe what you want to believe questioning people without giving any insight or data. You just disagree whenever the conclusions given don't align with what you want to believe no matter the facts.

ratirtquestioning people without giving any insight or data

I don't have to, you made a statement that I questioned, and I find your supporting evidence questionable, ie there are different possible outcomes asides from the one you've arrived at, so it's not a conclusion I can also come to beyond all reasonable doubt. I don't need to present an alternative to question your statement. Are we done? you know we can't agree right, can we agree to disagree and move on with our lives?