Chrispy_Yup. The 3080 is a "$699" MSRP after all, and despite the mad pricing for most of its life you can now buy them used for $550 as well as find them at MSRP.

medi01This could be "addressed" by saying "you know, 4090 is much faster than usual" (which it actually isn't, but hey).

However, consequences from that statement should be a much more modest pricing on the lower part of the lineup, which is nowhere to be seen.

I could imagine that that faux "4nm" process is quite pricey, so NV won't be able to have competitive pricing anywhere where AMD's MCM chips (with cheaper memory!!!) are present.

TSMC says that N4 will use EUV for more layers thereby reducing the number of steps and masks, thus offering a cost advantage.

Broken ProcessorYup unless they where a mining card the fools are taking a bath and probably lining up to do the same again cus you can't fix stupid.

BwazeSo how will Nvidia fanboys explain now why there is absolutely nothing wrong to pay $900 for a card that is barely faster than the one released two years ago for $700?

Why should thee be price / performance increase, right?

nguyenThe only way for enjoyable RT experience with rx7000 is with FSR2 Quality + Frame generation (so basically FSR3), but we don't know how FSR3 will turn out yet.

HTCWhere have you heard about AMD also having frame generation?

AMD talked about FSR3 sure, but i don't recall anything about frame generation.

AnotherReaderI don't see how they could double performance compared to FSR2 otherwise

HTCMore hardware dedicated "real estate" as well as a better implementation of the technology?

Thus far, NOTHING of what AMD said about FSR3 even SUGGESTS frame generation, IMO.

Introducting FSR 3, temporal super resolution and fluid motion.

AnotherReaderIn the live stream, they said

Introducting FSR 3, temporal super resolution and fluid motion.

HTCAnd that "says" frame generation?

BwazeI bet their reasoning is "tougher economic environment goes both ways" - they have to pay higher energy bills, higher shipping, there are uncertainties regarding ordering components from China, and even Taiwan...

BwazeAnd if there are less buyers due to high inflation and recession, the remaining buyers will have to cover for the rest of us. Makes sense, no?

AnotherReaderThat, coupled with the 2x performance increase, far beyond what FSR2 could do, hints at frame generation. Again, this is speculation, and I might be very wrong.

Vayra86Exactly. Stop being sheep, because you are if you think some social media noise constitutes what actually happens on the market - or in the world tbh.

That whole line of communication is one big troll & bait. Those that take it, are the losers here - they make their minds ready for a purchase no one in their right mind would approve.

People are not lining up for 900 dollar GPUs like this. They never did and never will. This segment still covers a mere 3-5% of the entire discrete GPU market. And you know what, the vast majority retweeting for the popularity contest hasn't even got the money to buy anything remotely like it. They're just there for entertainment, which is manipulative practices. That's what trolling is all about. If you base your opinion off (sometimes adult-) kids with too much time on their phone, you've really lost the plot. But that's what we do...

Social media has been one massive marketing channel since Facebook. People should have understood that by now, but apparently, a lot of them think they're smarter than that. That is also why they create their own theories - they damn well found it on the internet through 'research', so its true, when in reality those are all self fulfilling prophecies, because that is how the algorithms on social media work to create revenue/profit. People are literally the product and they don't realize it.


Consumers are the ones with power, but they are being manipulated, and there should be a wise government above them to keep that manipulation out of markets.

That last part is missing, and thus, so is the first. Completely free markets have never worked, ever, anywhere, at anytime. Regulation always happened, or protectionism, or whatever to keep 'free markets' in check. Through globalization, those checks and balances are under pressure, and internet made it a free for all. Ever since, things are spiralling out of control, and people slowly earned a new level of stupidity. Collectively, because we are all influenced by it.

Vayra86Social media has been one massive marketing channel since Facebook. People should have understood that by now, but apparently, a lot of them think they're smarter than that. That is also why they create their own theories - they damn well found it on the internet through 'research', so its true, when in reality those are all self fulfilling prophecies, because that is how the algorithms on social media work to create revenue/profit. People are literally the product and they don't realize it.


Consumers are the ones with power, but they are being manipulated, and there should be a wise government above them to keep that manipulation out of markets.

That last part is missing, and thus, so is the first. Completely free markets have never worked, ever, anywhere, at anytime. Regulation always happened, or protectionism, or whatever to keep 'free markets' in check. Through globalization, those checks and balances are under pressure, and internet made it a free for all. Ever since, things are spiralling out of control, and people slowly earned a new level of stupidity. Collectively, because we are all influenced by it.

Zach_01Exactly:
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Chrispy_I'd buy a mining card without a second thought (assuming it didn't look like it had been jet-washed by an idiot).

Worst-case scenario is that the GPU fans need replacing at $40 or so.
Best-case scenario is that the fans are fine and it's had the shitty stock VRAM pads replaced more carefully than the typical slap-dash, inaccurate factory job and with better quality pads. GDDR6X cooling was money for ETH miners, most of the 3080 and 3090 cards of small-scale miners would have been repadded because it paid for itself quickly in hashrate, and more hashrate equalled more profits.

1. "raw" perf/$ (without DLSS)
2. perf/W
3. features

• New card has better perf/$ than last gen (comparing actual current pricing)= GOOD (like OG Titan vs 970)
• New card has better perf/$ than last gen with bad/misleading name = still GOOD (like when they said 970 4G, but really was 970 3,5G)
• New card has better perf/$ than last gen AND better perf/W = GREAT!
• New card has better perf/$ than last gen, better perf/W AND useful new features = EXCELLENT!!!

CalenhadWhy? Because it is a *04 chip? If so, they have used *04 in 80-series before. See GTX980.

I am glad that they are at least, finally, making some sense out of this product by rebranding it as the 4070ti. I have said this since they announced the 4080 duo.

nguyenMaybe AMD is talking out their ass too, using FSR Performance just to bring FPS >60 with RT :laugh:, meanwhile without FSR it looks like FPS are around 20-25

AnotherReaderThat, coupled with the 2x performance increase, far beyond what FSR2 could do, hints at frame generation. Again, this is speculation, and I might be very wrong.

dukki984K FSR 2.0 Performance looks very acceptable my friend, not really that much difference compared to DLSS 2.0 Performance so stop licking Nvidia's boots

DeeJay1001They will use DLSS 3.0 as an excuse. Nvidia is going to go hard on the marketing that fake frames are just as good as actual rendered frames.