I think people who will buy this GPU based on it's price and performance difference compared to RTX 4090, should consider one more thing. That in 2-3 years when new more powerful CPUs come out, the difference between the two cards could increase. I think Nvidia priced this card that much high, while it is heavily cut down compared to RTX 4090, because they knew that the RTX 4090 is CPU limited today.
I doubt RTX 4090's price to come down from the $1600, but I do expect RTX 4080's price to drop at $1000 and we might see an RTX 4080 Ti in it's place for $1200.

GN nailed it again, zero progress, you get more and pay more meaning there is no improvement.
The 3000 series can exist next to this just fine....which is probably by design thanks for their cryptocurrency supporting shenanigans.

Pls dont support this, it ruins it for all of us.

ZoneDymoGN nailed it again, zero progress, you get more and pay more meaning there is no improvement.
The 3000 series can exist next to this just fine...

Correct.
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Well, I ain't gonna buy any overpriced card no matter how "well" it performs. Remember: there's no bad product, but bad pricing. And the prices of the last couple of years are disgusting.
I prefer not to buy anything again for a decade and instead play the whole lot of older games I didn't have the time yet to play, rather than congratulate them by buying their overpriced hardware...

Lets just wait until 7900XT comes out.

Meh no thanks. 4080 is apselutely to stupid priced for what it is. Yes I know I have a 4090. But that is also faster than 4080 compared to the price gab. Meaning i feel I get more performance from 4090 than 4080 compared with the additional price increase.

4080 is in the price range where 4080 to should be.

So my choice is still either 4090 or simply go cheaper and look over at amd what there cards can do at a lower price.

sam_86314Cut the price in half and then we'll talk.

Oh wait, it still has only 12GB of VRAM.

16GB.

Yeah OK, no.
The prices in EUR will be even more ridiculous, just fricking no.

1200 USD for a xx80 with a 256-bit bus? I'm seriously thinking of getting a console as PC gaming starts getting out of hands for a budget gamer, unless you go with an older second hand card.

This graphics card at this price is nonsense, it makes me sad to see how some websites ignore reality and do not analyze the product for its value, the same ones that were silent when Nvidia announced the "rtx 4060ti" in the form of rtx 4080 12gb now sell us the benefits of an "rtx 4070ti" at $1200

Intel sure made a dent in the GPU prices, and the crypto meltdown dropped prices above 1500 bucks.

What's absolutely relevant is that Nvidia is offering nothing as a value prospect.

RTX 3080 = $699
RTX 4080 = $1199

Don't try and defend it. Nobody should defend it. Nobody should accept it.

Yes it's a powerful card but it can only be truly great compared to the last gen. That's how GFX cards work. And is it worth the 90% price uplift on the previous gen? No. It's not.

ARFCorrect but the leather jacket man and his crew wants to own a private jet, private yachts, to travel to Mars paid by you. So, you gonna pay everything :D

Let's not go there. It's not exactly like AMD's cards can be had for reasonable prices.

CrackongThe only reason for this to exist is to upsell the 4090

Spot on, just like the 7900XT vs 7900XTX, they definitely want you to buy the XTX given it's 20% slower for 10% less money. Different company, much the same tactic.

A massive gripe of mine is the massive size of AIB cards, why does a 320w card need to be so much larger than last gen's 320w card, they're sizing them out of a lot of systems as well as pricing them out of budgets.

Impressive review lineup TPU!
This exotic silicon is priced out of reach for many, me included, but it`s siblings will hopefully be more economically convenient.

GamerGuySo, who's gonna buy that Asus Strix card at 1550USD?

Financially balanced (not necessarily rich) people that gaming is their hobby and their free time worth to than a lot (that is, when you have small to medium children). This quite big segment of people will put the extra cash just to get the "best experience" in the scarce time they have only for themselves.
If you comparer it to other hobbies (subdividing, skiing, watching the stars with telescope, flaying drones or RC cars ect), than 1000-2000$ is not that much for the equipment (the GPU) that enable you to MAX your experience.

wolfSpot on, just like the 7900XT vs 7900XTX, they definitely want you to buy the XTX given it's 20% slower for 10% less money. Different company, much the same tactic.

A massive gripe of mine is the massive size of AIB cards, why does a 320w card need to be so much larger than last gen's 320w card, they're sizing them out of a lot of systems as well as pricing them out of budgets.

Diminishing return- getting less when paying more near the top (when talking product tier) . It`s not new, don't try to twist it as a conspiracy to milk you. It is very common, well known and practically obligated business practice. Think what will happen if it was the other way around- getting more performance while adding less money to have the best.

And I agree- size, and more correctly volume, is the new BIG problem poses by GPU`s, mostly NV GPU`s.
Many will struggle to install them in an existing case.
One thing is to upgrade your PSU, but to replace the whole case will, rightfully, deter many people.

Dirt ChipIt is very common

Oh absolutely, my only point here is that AMD does the same, there's a tendency to shred Nvidia for anything and everything they do, and twist it however they can for it to be negative, anti-consumer yada yada yada. Well, their lord and saviour does this stuff too, as well as other, much worse things.

I hope AMD's volunteer marketing department people do slowly start to realise that, but I won't hold my breath.

Well...I scrolled over to Newegg expecting the 4080 to be widely available. To my surprise it was sold out in every brand. I couldn't imagine there were enough idiots in the world to day one sell out such a poorly priced product, but here we are. It's not a halo product but an upper range card that has always been under $800. Nvidia boss openly challenged customers with this pricing. The one time we could have voted with our wallets and picked up an AMD card in two weeks or a Black Friday card the collective chose to side against common sense.

enya64Well...I scrolled over to Newegg expecting the 4080 to be widely available. To my surprise it was sold out in every brand.

It was probably mostly the work of scalpers. Those cards will show up on sites like Ebay for even more ridiculous prices and people who just have to have one right now will pay those prices.

64KIt was probably mostly the work of scalpers. Those cards will show up on sites like Ebay for even more ridiculous prices and people who just have to have one right now will pay those prices.

It is just beyond me, who the hell are these people, how does their mind work....
Or are the cards just produced in really low quantities?

ZoneDymoIt is just beyond me, who the hell are these people, how does their mind work....
Or are the cards just produced in really low quantities?

It is my hope that these people bought the cards thinking they still lived in a mining boom. And that they get to sit on those forever, because >$1,000 is not a price for a consumer video card.

bugLet's not go there. It's not exactly like AMD's cards can be had for reasonable prices.

I mean, the 6900xt is like 700 dollars now right? is that not kinda reasonable?
Just wished the rest of the stack downwards also got some good cuts.

wolfOh absolutely, my only point here is that AMD does the same, there's a tendency to shred Nvidia for anything and everything they do, and twist it however they can for it to be negative, anti-consumer yada yada yada. Well, their lord and saviour does this stuff too, as well as other, much worse things.

I hope AMD's volunteer marketing department people do slowly start to realise that, but I won't hold my breath.

You gotta back that up with some evidence.
Shred Nvidia? well buying PhysX and making it proprietary is anti consumer and anti progress.
DLSS being a closed off standard is anti consumer and anti progress
Gsync....same story again.
Back in the day, AMD gave them flac for the fake amount of Vram on the GTX970, easy jabs sure but nothing was twisted to be negative, it was just a fact of false advertisement.

AMD meanwhile made open standards for all of that (well physx just went away really)
AMD also championed Mantle, which later became Vulcan, which again was totally open for all to use and had some positive changes planned (audio focussed improvements) and arguably also contributed how DX12 ended up being.

I think the current remarks regarding DP 1.4 are perhaps a bit silly, but at the same time its also silly for Nvidia to charge this much and then not offer the latest tech.
I also think the 7900XT pricing is too close to the XTX but specs wise there is a bigger gab between the 7900xt and 7900xtx then there was between the 6800xt and 6900xt.

Soooo yeah, what exactly did AMD do that was so bad or quote "much worse"?

enya64Well...I scrolled over to Newegg expecting the 4080 to be widely available.

I hope you scrolled purely indeed for that availability info, I cant imagine anyone willing to risk their hard earned cash with Newegg again.....good luck never getting your multiple hundred dollar product and not being able to do anything about it.....

ZoneDymoIt is just beyond me, who the hell are these people, how does their mind work....
Or are the cards just produced in really low quantities?

The scalpers are greedy parasites. They initiate a further shortage on a already short supply to make some easy money. They use bots to buy before anyone else gets a chance. Even though the mining craze isn't really a factor this time there are still plenty of gamers too impatient to wait.

I checked Ebay under the "Sold" category and there are already 4080s that sold for from $1,600 to $1,900.

Just to be clear. This card costs EXACTLY DOUBLE as it should have cost.
The leather jacket idiot clearly lost his mind...

ZoneDymoSoooo yeah, what exactly did AMD do that was so bad or quote "much worse"?

• The SAM debarkle - making an unused part of an existing spec seem like their invention and originally gatekeeping support.
• Ryzen 5000 on pre 5 series chipsets debarkle and caving
• The 6500XT. What an insult.
• Zen 3 and 4 pricing for 6 core models
• 7900XT pricing to upsell the 7900XTX - this is horrendous, the 7900XT is more cut down relative to the 7900XTX than the 6800XT was to the 6900XT, yet the naming is off, it should be a 7800XT, and most people compare upwards, 20% slower for 10% less money, but it's also that it's almost a 40% price hike for the second top product. Yikes.

And that's all since Lisa Su took the reigns.

Look I won't get drawn into an argument with you about it, because I'm sure from your perspective nvidia is heaps worse right? There must be great reasons AMD did those things, and more, and people have an intense desire to defend then. I'm coming from the perspective that they all do shitty, greedy things, pretty much solely in the desire of increased revenue and profits.

So I stand by my general approach, weight each products unique proposition against your needs, and buy accordingly. If I was to draw a moral line on who to buy a GPU from, I wouldn't but it from any of them.

ZoneDymoDLSS being a closed off standard is anti consumer and anti progress

This one just seems especially daft, I'm sorry. They had to single handedly create this new wave of Upscaling and generate massive appetite for it both in competitors and consumers, before some people like to accuse them of holding the industry back, I reject that entirely.

Plus look at hubs coverage of xess, its plainly obvious why it only works on RTX cards, nobody would benefit, not nvidia, not the customers.

wolfThe SAM debarkle - making an unused part of an existing spec seem like their invention and originally gatekeeping support.
Ryzen 5000 on pre 5 series chipsets debarkle and caving
The 6500XT. What an insult.
Zen 3 and 4 pricing for 6 core models
7900XT pricing to upsell the 7900XTX

And that's all since Lisa Su took the reigns.

Look I won't get drawn into an argument with you about it, because I'm sure from your perspective nvidia is heaps worse right? There must be great reasons AMD did those things, and more, and people have an intense desire to defend then. I'm coming from the perspective that they all do shitty, greedy things, pretty much solely in the desire of increased revenue and profits.

So I stand by my general approach, weight each products unique proposition against your needs, and buy accordingly. If I was to draw a moral line on who to buy a GPU from, I wouldn't but it from any of them.


This one just seems especially daft, I'm sorry. They had to single handedly create this new wave of Upscaling and generate massive appetite for it both in competitors and consumers, before some people like to accuse them of holding the industry back, I reject that entirely.

Plus look at hubs coverage of xess, its plainly obvious why it only works on RTX cards, nobody would benefit, not nvidia, not the customers.

So they introduced Resizable Bar...a function that was always there, to the forfront....and that is a problem?
"making it seem like their invention"...yeah I dont get the issue there either, so what? 3 seconds later others can say its just resizable bar and again, COMPETITION CAN and did follow suit, its not like AMD blocked it from being used by anyone else.
"originall gatekeeping support", what exactly do you mean by that?

"Ryzen 5000 on pre 5 series chipsets debarkle and caving" You do understand why this was not originally a thing right? the fact that motherboards were never made with this much cpu support in mind? literally not having enough memory to store profiles for all different processors so you have to do some odd stuff to get that to work which can easily leave users with an unusable board unless they buy/borrow a compatible cpu real quick to fix it?
And yeah, consumers complaining and a company as a reaction complying with their wishes....what a horrible thing to do...thank god most companies just give consumers the middle finger....

6500XT is an insult but then the entire cryptocurrency/Covid19 period was a big insult, it shouldnt have been released, that is indeed a strike against them.

Zen 3 pricing being an issue is just nonsense, AMD sold their stuff super cheap in order to get some mindshare back from YEARS of Intel domination, when they finally convinced enough people (including the very companies they need to work with for example with motherboards) that they are worth a damn again, they are still not allowed to ask a bit more? they have to stay in this super low bracket even though their products beat the competition? come on now.
Zen 4 pricing, yes, that is too high, Intel is winning there and AMD should have answered with a slight price drop, heck I dont even get that AMD did not start with some 3DX models to keep/take the performance crown, just odd all around.

literally mentioned the 7900xt vs 7900xtx thing in the post you are replying to.

"from your perspective nvidia is heaps worse right?" yes and I backed that up with arguments.

On DLSS, they HAD to because they are heavily banking on selling the world the RTX brand and tech, and I dont mind that at all, what I mind is them then locking it exclusively for their hardware and shoveling buckets of cash to developers to PLS PLS PLS implement it, which they have to do because that is a lot of effort a developer has to go through purely to appease the Nvidia buyers, it wont help for the AMD buyers (ok thats barely 15% of the market if we look at steam) nor the console crowd (that is a much bigger market).
If they just made it open and asked simply to have mentioned in the settings DLSS by Nvidia, advertisment for them, gamers know where its from, heck it would even be optimised for their hardware and the competition just has to work to see if they can make it run decently on their hardware (same as XESS), then all would be fine, but nope, typical Nvidia, proprietory nonsense that cant last.
Gsync is dead because Freesync/Adaptivesync/VRR is here, PhysX is dead because we moved on to generic solutions that work for all, we cant have games in the future that have an entire page of the exact same tech just for every vendors version of it....that would just be stupid and man, think of the waste of human effort and energy for AMD and Intel to now have to make their own versions of something that already exists.......
So yeah, I dont think im daft, I think Nvidia is the one being daft and like I said, anti consumer and anti progress.
Hell if they just shared the tech, who knows what extra improvements maybe AMD and Intel could have brought to the table.

"Plus look at hubs coverage of xess, its plainly obvious why it only works on RTX cards, nobody would benefit, not nvidia, not the customers."

that last sentense I dont get, intel's xess only works on RTX cards? and nobody would benefit if that was not the case?

And yes mods, we are getting off topic, ill leave it for DM's after this.