These cpu's are going to be the hot sellers for AMD imo. The 7600 @ $229 USD for sure.

Why_MeThese cpu's are going to be the hot sellers for AMD imo. The 7600 @ $229 USD for sure.

Being supposedly only 20 bucks cheaper than the 7600X's current street price, im not too convinced, allegedly.
Many people might bite for an "upgrade" to the X model. Despite not getting a boxed cooler in the higher end model, they might opt for a 3rd party solution in many cases

Now all they need is a price drop on B650 motherboards for Zen 4 to be successful.

ZEN4 will keep on not making sense as value option.
Those 'lower' cost models only highlight that.
It will all be better next year with ZEN5 so go intel or wait.

The mobo prices is the problem, not the cpu one.

dj-electricBeing supposedly only 20 bucks cheaper than the 7600X's current street price, im not too convinced, allegedly.
Many people might bite for an "upgrade" to the X model. Despite not getting a boxed cooler in the higher end model, they might opt for a 3rd party solution in many cases

Those cpu's will drop in price within a week or two after their release so they aren't priced so close to the unlocked cpu's.

gffermariThe mobo prices is the problem, not the cpu one.

No, the CPU is also the problem. Let's not forget that AMDs 8 core chips were $250 parts with the 2000 series. The "6 core for $300" move was a tactic that AMD started with the 3600xt, as part of their "we are a premium brand" push. When that failed they tried it again with the 5600x, and got the exact same response.

This is the third time they've tried this, pushing it as an acceptable price. A 6 core CPU for $300 is highway robbery. Mobos are an issue, yes, but besides that the CPUs still cost too damn much. Go look back at the 5600x launch and you will see the exact same argument, and later you'll notice AMD cut the 5600x price and introduced the 5600 because the $159 3600 non x was slaughtering it on sales.

TheinsanegamerNNo, the CPU is also the problem. Let's not forget that AMDs 8 core chips were $250 parts with the 2000 series. The "6 core for $300" move was a tactic that AMD started with the 3600xt, as part of their "we are a premium brand" push. When that failed they tried it again with the 5600x, and got the exact same response.

This is the third time they've tried this, pushing it as an acceptable price. A 6 core CPU for $300 is highway robbery. Mobos are an issue, yes, but besides that the CPUs still cost too damn much. Go look back at the 5600x launch and you will see the exact same argument, and later you'll notice AMD cut the 5600x price and introduced the 5600 because the $159 3600 non x was slaughtering it on sales.

I agree with you but I can tolerate the cost of a brand new cpu (new gen on a new socket etc). The cost of the mobos is not just 10-20% more expensive. It’s 50-200+% for the same tier of mobos.
The price of them is the reason most of those who want an AMD build, postpone or cancel the move to AM5.

AusWolfNow all they need is a price drop on B650 motherboards for Zen 4 to be successful.

No idea why they don't bring cheaper options or drop the ridiculous prices of motherboards. MSI Mortar B650 is nearly double the price of the 550.
They could've just launched Ryzen9 with overpriced motherboards, then launch the 7, 5 with normally priced motherboards like 100~125€ (real price not fake MSRP).

gffermariThe mobo prices is the problem, not the cpu one.

yep, mobo+memory cost and that`s why ZEN4 won`t sell as good as it can- especially for value.
Also, 230$ (before tax?) for the cheapest option not making it better.
shame.

Xex360No idea why they don't bring cheaper options or drop the ridiculous prices of motherboards. MSI Mortar B650 is nearly double the price of the 550.
They could've just launched Ryzen9 with overpriced motherboards, then launch the 7, 5 with normally priced motherboards like 100~125€ (real price not fake MSRP).

As far as I see, the VRM on nearly every B650 motherboard is ridiculously overbuilt, and the boards need to consist of more layers than last gen, or just be better built to accommodate for PCI-e 5.0, even if it's just storage. Honestly, no one needs PCI-e 5.0, and no one won't for a couple more GPU generations. Even 3.0 x16 isn't fully saturated by the latest high-end cards. Let me not even talk about storage, that's just ridiculous.

What's missing here is (imo):

• Cheaper B650 motherboards for lower-end CPUs,
• If that's not possible for some reason, then the A620 chipset with lower specced motherboards at affordable prices,
• Above said lower-end CPUs. What were the last decent ones from AMD? The 3100 and 3300X? Zen 3 didn't even have a low-end.
• Decent BIOSes from all vendors. It's incredible how much better my MSi Pro B650M-A got by just updating from AGESA 1.0.0.3 to 1.0.0.4.
• Cheaper DDR5, but that's not up to AMD to control, unfortunately.

AusWolf

• If that's not possible for some reason, then the A620 chipset with lower specced motherboards at affordable prices,
• Above said lower-end CPUs. What were the last decent ones from AMD? The 3100 and 3300X? Zen 3 didn't even have a low-end.

Agreed to both. A620 can't come soon enough cutting those corners which many consumers don't need right now, like PCI-E 5.0.
The issue with us wanting a cheaper platform is that AMD is positioning AM4 as that option for now. And for someone looking to build something new with possibility to upgrade, AM4 is a dead end. Meanwhile Intel is making Alder Lake Pentiums for those who don't need any serious firepower.

wNotyarDAgreed to both. A620 can't come soon enough cutting those corners which many consumers don't need right now, like PCI-E 5.0.
The issue with us wanting a cheaper platform is that AMD is positioning AM4 as that option for now. And for someone looking to build something new with possibility to upgrade, AM4 is a dead end. Meanwhile Intel is making Alder Lake Pentiums for those who don't need any serious firepower.

Intel is laughing in AMD's face with their low-end CPUs the same way Nvidia is laughing in their face in the high-end GPU market.

I understand it on the GPU front - you can only do so much to get close to the competition. But missing out on low-end CPUs is just plain ridiculous.

Edit: Also on low-end boards... who would buy a Ryzen 3 with a $200+ motherboard and DDR5 RAM?

Indeed. AMD needs to make new Athlons and Ryzen 3's. I know I'm not a target consumer for those products, but there are many who'd look to it. Those who look at AM4's history and buy into the platform with a low end processor planning to upgrade it later down the years.

AusWolfEdit: Also on low-end boards... who would buy a Ryzen 3 with a $200+ motherboard and DDR5 RAM?

If A620 brings the cost down (say, to $100 at most), I wouldn't even complain about the DDR5 tax. If anything, it could end making DDR5 accessible in the short to medium term.
I know Intel is selling like hot cakes due to DDR4 compatibility, but that (from my PoV) is holding DDR5 from becoming mass market as well.

AusWolfNow all they need is a price drop on B650 motherboards for Zen 4 to be successful.

Also bring A620 chipset to market for sub-$100 boards.

ChaitanyaAlso bring A620 chipset to market for sub-$100 boards.

OEMs will probably get the A600 chipless chipset option too but retail? Nah. It would be nice, though.

Why_MeThese cpu's are going to be the hot sellers for AMD imo. The 7600 @ $229 USD for sure.

since the 10400, Intel has constantly had a competitor at a better price and often performing better, not to talk about the ddr5 cost.

influencers will mostly try to talk us into it, but unless there's a great sale they should not hot sell nothing

Dirt Chipall be better next year with ZEN5

Not a chance for next year! With 2 years cadence around end of 2024 for Ryzen 8000X(ZEN 5 architecture)

WirkoOEMs will probably get the A600 chipless chipset option too but retail? Nah. It would be nice, though.

AMD did sell their A series AM4 chipset to retail and given how overpriced current AM5 boards are we can certainly expect AMD to bring A series chipset sooner to boost sales.

7600x fot 200e ans b650 for 70e, now that is a good deal. Oh wait.... cpu-s still cost too much and same goes for mobo's.

dj-electricBeing supposedly only 20 bucks cheaper than the 7600X's current street price, im not too convinced, allegedly.
Many people might bite for an "upgrade" to the X model. Despite not getting a boxed cooler in the higher end model, they might opt for a 3rd party solution in many cases

I'm ok with that. I want 65W CPU anyway, so why buy 7600X + cooler then undervolt & limit to 65W, when I can save 20$+20$ and get it out of the box.

Btw MBOs still need to get cheaper. My plan (was?) to buy good MBO but not premium one, no OC craze, no bling, just good workhorse. Then plug it with lower end CPU, and go for new CPU in ~3 years. This brings better priced CPUs but I wouldn't mind a little bit lower MBOs. The 325€ ASRock X670E PG LIGHTNING isn't far off though (in Europe, with taxes and all), but if it had nicely priced B650E relative for 50€ less I'd take it.

ChaitanyaAMD did sell their A series AM4 chipset to retail and given how overpriced current AM5 boards are we can certainly expect AMD to bring A series chipset sooner to boost sales.

I was thinking about the A300, not A320. Like on this board from Alibaba. Or in some AsRock DeskMini barebones boxes. AM4 processors can run without a real chipset, and I suppose that AM5 processors have the same capability. It's for low end of course, no point in pairing it with a Ryzen 5 or above.

I think the Non-X versions of AMD Ryzen 7000 CPUs, is kinda useless because the prices are still way too much for Non-X Versions. It still doesn't come with a Wraith Stealth Cooler plus it is only $20 lesser than the X Versions.

The marketing department of AMD are either incompetent or just plain stupid because they do not know how to really draw customers to their new AM5 Platform. Their prices are still too steep. It will be best for consumers to stay where you are, if you have an AM4 setup, remain there but if you want next generation, rather go Intel 13th Gen...Better performance and better value for your money...

FACT...

dj-electricBeing supposedly only 20 bucks cheaper than the 7600X's current street price, im not too convinced, allegedly.
Many people might bite for an "upgrade" to the X model. Despite not getting a boxed cooler in the higher end model, they might opt for a 3rd party solution in many cases

Couldn't agree more. Only $20 lesser than the X Version, doesn't sit well with me. AMD are getting greedy nowadays. They are trying way too hard to kill Intel in marketing and performance but yet they are still behind.

The move from AMD to Ryzen 7000, was a bad one because as an end user, you must upgrade the mobo, Ram and CPU and maybe GPU as well to run a High-End Gaming Rig.

This is really daylight robbery from AMD because $20 less than the X Version doesn't make sense at all.

navyjonny117Couldn't agree more. Only $20 lesser than the X Version, doesn't sit well with me. AMD are getting greedy nowadays. They are trying way too hard to kill Intel in marketing and performance but yet they are still behind.

I can tell you now, the 160-220 dollar market is not going to cool down, at all. It will heat up (figuratively and quite literally) a lot more in 2023. In roughly a week people will see why

I'm waiting for the 3D GPU to finally upgrade.

Those non X CPU are going to be very interesting because current AM5 released far too expensive and it damaged their sales projections