Monday, February 13th 2023

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Possibly Maxes Out AD107, NVIDIA's Smallest Ada Silicon

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NVIDIA's mid-range, high-volume graphics card based on the GeForce "Ada" graphics architecture, the GeForce RTX 4060, a 60-class product, could feature specs that make it possible for NVIDIA to carve it out either with a maxed out 5 nm AD107 silicon, or a heavily cut-down AD106. Kopite7kimi, a reliable source with NVIDIA leaks, says that the RTX 4060 has specs which align with the full-spec AD107, with 3,072 CUDA cores across 24 streaming multiprocessors (SM), 96 Tensor cores, 96 TMUs, an unknown ROP count, and 8 GB of 18 Gbps GDDR6 memory. The memory bus width is hard to predict with this generation. The GPU's on-die L2 cache is 24 MB in size. The card has a typical graphics power (TGP) of 115 W, making it possible to build cards with just one 6-pin PCIe power connector.
Source: kopite7kimi (Twitter)

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95 Comments on NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Possibly Maxes Out AD107, NVIDIA's Smallest Ada Silicon

#76
TechHalp
Why_MeThe 1080 Ti was released in February of 2017 so I'd say the 4070 Ti at $800 isn't a bad deal.

GTX 1080 Ti MSRP: $700
RTX 2080 Ti MSRP: $1000
RTX 3080 Ti MSRP: $1200
RTX 3090 MSRP: $1500
RTX 3090 Ti MSRP: $2000
RTX 4070 Ti MSRP: $800
RTX 4080 MSRP: $1200
RTX 4090 MSRP: $1600

$800? With no FE models... I don't think so.
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#77
THU31
rruffDon't know how reliable this is; it looks like the 4060m spec (which will be out very soon). It would be weird if Nvidia used the same silicone for both mobile and desktop, since they aren't for the higher end cards. 115W is the base mobile spec too; they boost to 140W. Even the 4050m boosts to 140W. Surely the desktop will be higher?
If this was true, then the only card using the AD106 would be the 4060 Ti. Would it even be worth it to manufacture that chip? Also, the 3060 Ti has a 256-bit bus, the 4060 Ti with AD106 would have a 128-bit bus. That is a gigantic reduction in bandwidth. Slightly higher memory clocks and the L2 cache will not make up the difference.

All the specs below the 4080 are just not right.
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#78
TechHalp
rruffRemember when Intel was giving us <5% performance improvement each year? It wasn't that long ago...

2 year olds bitching about price in every Nvidia thread... yet their 4000 series cards are fast and cheap enough that they are pushing down the price of existing cards by quite a bit. Competition.
Yes intel... the people who have always made GPUS. Because CPU improvements are totally the same thing as GPU ones.

And what is intel doing now? Oh, losing market share because their tech is overpriced and power hungry.

How much did nvidia pay you bro? You can tell us.. Clearly, you have some personal stake in this because otherwise, who but a 2 year old would put this much effort into trying to be a living ad for a company that doesn't care
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#80
TechHalp
Why_Mepcpartpicker.com/search/?q=RTX+4070+Ti
As I thought, I see 1 single model at MSRP with no supply, except in stores and online shops it's not actually being sold at that price. Paper launch price. Fake prices for fake people.
;)
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#82
TechHalp
Why_MeWhen MSRP says $800 we all know they mean USD as in US dollars.

shop.asus.com/us/90yv0ij1-m0aa00-tuf-rtx4070ti-12g-gaming.html
Oh hey look at that order from them directly and you get to pay $30 in shipping fees. This card is not $800, period. You can not buy it for $800, so its not $800.

Not only that, the 3070 ti MSRP was $600, so you know what? Its still a rip off.

There is exactly 1 card that is worth the price from nvidia this gen, and its the 4090.
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#83
Why_Me
TechHalpOh hey look at that order from them directly and you get to pay $30 in shipping fees. This card is not $800, period. You can not buy it for $800, so its not $800.

Not only that, the 3070 ti MSRP was $600, so you know what? Its still a rip off.

There is exactly 1 card that is worth the price from nvidia this gen, and its the 4090.
$30 shipping if you live in Canada. Free shipping for me and even better yet there's no sales tax where I live. :)
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#84
rruff
TechHalpYes intel... the people who have always made GPUS. Because CPU improvements are totally the same thing as GPU ones.
They did it because they had no competition. Same thing here. You can blame AMD as they are not keeping up the pressure on Nvidia.
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#86
Hecate91
Why_MeWhat sub $800 card would you recommend for gaming at 1440P?
Nothing from the current gen from Nvidia, either hang on to an older card or go used. If used is not an option, probably an Intel Arc 770, as drivers have significantly improved.
rruffRemember when Intel was giving us <5% performance improvement each year? It wasn't that long ago...

2 year olds bitching about price in every Nvidia thread... yet their 4000 series cards are fast and cheap enough that they are pushing down the price of existing cards by quite a bit. Competition.
CPU improvements aren't the same as GPU improvements, although Intel stagnated for a long time with high prices, and they're really hurting now from not pushing enough performance improvements.
And please tell me you're an nvidia shareholder wtihout actually telling me you're an nivdia shareholder. The 4000 series cards are over 40% more expensive than previous gen cards in the same SKU tier, and Nvidia has the market controlled by cutting supply of the 3000 series cards, despite pricing the 4000 series so high people want to buy previous gen.
rruffThey did it because they had no competition. Same thing here. You can blame AMD as they are not keeping up the pressure on Nvidia.
AMD is competing on midrange cards that people can actually afford to buy, there isn't any reason from AMD to really compete in the high end as Nvidia has 90% marketshare, the wealthy easily influenced gamers will still buy anything with a green box, even cards with an awful value like the 4070Ti.
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#87
Why_Me
Hecate91Nothing from the current gen from Nvidia, either hang on to an older card or go used. If used is not an option, probably an Intel Arc 770, as drivers have significantly improved.

CPU improvements aren't the same as GPU improvements, although Intel stagnated for a long time with high prices, and they're really hurting now from not pushing enough performance improvements.
And please tell me you're an nvidia shareholder wtihout actually telling me you're an nivdia shareholder. The 4000 series cards are over 40% more expensive than previous gen cards in the same SKU tier, and Nvidia has the market controlled by cutting supply of the 3000 series cards, despite pricing the 4000 series so high people want to buy previous gen.

AMD is competing on midrange cards that people can actually afford to buy, there isn't any reason from AMD to really compete in the high end as Nvidia has 90% marketshare, the wealthy easily influenced gamers will still buy anything with a green box, even cards with an awful value like the 4070Ti.
Not realistic. Chances are you refuse to purchase a used gpu, especially after the mining scam crash. If you are building a new rig and you game at 1440P then chances are you're most likely going to grab the 4070 Ti. If you game at 1440P and you're looking to upgrade from something like a 1080 Ti, 2080 Ti or even a 3070 Ti for that matter then chances are you're going to grab a 4070 Ti.

GTX 1080 Ti MSRP: $700
RTX 2080 Ti MSRP: $1000
RTX 3080 Ti MSRP: $1200
RTX 3080 MSRP: $650
RTX 3090 MSRP: $1500
RTX 3090 Ti MSRP: $2000
RTX 4070 Ti MSRP: $800
RTX 4080 MSRP: $1200
RTX 4090 MSRP: $1600



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#88
rruff
Hecate91AMD is competing on midrange cards that people can actually afford to buy
Just the facts. AMD has two latest gen cards that are more expensive than 4070 Ti. Both are a little better in raw performance, but well behind in features like ray tracing and frame generation. They lowered the price when 4070 Ti was introduced, because they had to if they wanted to sell any. This is how the game is played.
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#89
Lew Zealand
The problem with the 4070 Ti is that while it competes reasonably at it's performance level, it brings nothing new other than inserting fake frames. For buyers at it's price level, here's how it stacks up with its closest competition from previous Gen:

1440p
RTX 3080: 126.8 FPS
RTX 4070 Ti: 154.2 FPS

4K
RTX 3080: 77.0 FPS
RTX 4070 Ti: 90.2 FPS

So we get 21.6% more frames at 1440p or 17.1% more frames at 4K for 14.3% more money. The 1% lows are even worse for the 4070 Ti.
2 years later the 4070 Ti offers 6.4% more value than the 3080 at 1440p and 2.5% more at 4K at best. Pretty much a pointless product.

Nvidia is selling you mostly the same product 2 years later for the same price. No wonder everyone is so meh about it.
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#90
Why_Me
Lew ZealandThe problem with the 4070 Ti is that while it competes reasonably at it's performance level, it brings nothing new other than inserting fake frames. For buyers at it's price level, here's how it stacks up with its closest competition from previous Gen:

1440p
RTX 3080: 126.8 FPS
RTX 4070 Ti: 154.2 FPS

4K
RTX 3080: 77.0 FPS
RTX 4070 Ti: 90.2 FPS

So we get 21.6% more frames at 1440p or 17.1% more frames at 4K for 14.3% more money. The 1% lows are even worse for the 4070 Ti.
2 years later the 4070 Ti offers 6.4% more value than the 3080 at 1440p and 2.5% more at 4K at best. Pretty much a pointless product.

Nvidia is selling you mostly the same product 2 years later for the same price. No wonder everyone is so meh about it.
The 4070 Ti is meant for gaming at 1440P, not 4K. For those peeps that insist at gaming at 4K then they better expect to pay up because gaming at 4K doesn't come cheap.
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#91
mechtech
rruffRemember when Intel was giving us <5% performance improvement each year? It wasn't that long ago...

2 year olds bitching about price in every Nvidia thread... yet their 4000 series cards are fast and cheap enough that they are pushing down the price of existing cards by quite a bit. Competition.
Well I wouldn’t say cheap. I would say better than hyper inflated covid pricing.
About $1200 Cad wo the 13% tax
www.newegg.ca/asus-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-tuf-rtx4070ti-o12g-gaming/p/N82E16814126606
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#92
wolf
Better Than Native
ZoneDymoimagine working this hard to preserve Nvidia's image when its tarnished for obvious reasons....
I often wonder about showing the reasonable or 'explanation of business decisions' of a company (and their products) that people love to hate, or trying to show people that a company that people love to love is really no better whatsoever. Two sides of the same coin perhaps? One is Tarnished for "obvious reasons" and the dogpile is the gift that keeps on giving, for people so inclined I suppose. The other is constantly and continuously attempted to be shielded and defended from tarnishing because they're "not quite as bad". What a conundrum. Maybe they all are capitalist corporations after as much money they can make from you, and the only variable is their ability and opportunity to do so.
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#93
pavle
rruff...an unknown ROP count...
I would guess with multiples of 24 everywhere (really multiples of 3) there will be 48 ROP's in the card; which I see TechPowerup predictions also lay out.
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#95
chrcoluk
End of gen is usually best time to buy a GPU, you have to get by that "but I want latest gen" mental issue to get better value. I would say the only exception to that is the 3000 series Nvidia FE which Nvidia stuck to their £650 MSRP on the 3080 (and other 3000 cards) from start to end.

My best ever value was probably paying £500 new for my 1080ti just before turing came out, and it came with a free AAA game code as well, which I sold for £40.
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