TheoneandonlyMrKI'm not sure where you shilling the 4070Ti fits into this thread ,re read the OP.

You should probably learn to read English because if you did you would have seen the post I quoted.

Why_MeThe 1080 Ti was released in February of 2017 so I'd say the 4070 Ti at $800 isn't a bad deal.

GTX 1080 Ti MSRP: $700
RTX 2080 Ti MSRP: $1000
RTX 3080 Ti MSRP: $1200
RTX 3090 MSRP: $1500
RTX 3090 Ti MSRP: $2000
RTX 4070 Ti MSRP: $800
RTX 4080 MSRP: $1200
RTX 4090 MSRP: $1600

The 1070Ti was a $450 class card. So you're saying a near 80% price bump for a card of the same performance class in 2023 is absolutely fine? Oh no, I didn't realise the inflation was so bad for the last 6 years.

Why_MeThe 4070 Ti is meant for gaming at 1440P. The 4080 is for peeps who want to game at 4K but can't afford a 4090.

Why_MeSo what 40XX card that's been released to date would you say is 'overpriced'?

Why_MeLet's say you're a gamer and I'm not talking about those games with the wizards, elves and magical fairy dust but first person shooter games where you shoot peeps and blow sh1t up .. the games where smoothness of game play actually means something. What Nvidia card would you purchase for gaming at 1440P with a gpu budget of $800 and what Nvidia gpu would you purchase for gaming at 4K with a budget of $1200?

GTX 1080 Ti MSRP: $700
RTX 2080 Ti MSRP: $1000
RTX 3080 Ti MSRP: $1200
RTX 3090 MSRP: $1500
RTX 3090 Ti MSRP: $2000
RTX 4070 Ti MSRP: $800
RTX 4080 MSRP: $1200
RTX 4090 MSRP: $1600

Why_MeThe 1080 Ti was released in February of 2017 so I'd say the 4070 Ti at $800 isn't a bad deal.

GTX 1080 Ti MSRP: $700
RTX 2080 Ti MSRP: $1000
RTX 3080 Ti MSRP: $1200
RTX 3090 MSRP: $1500
RTX 3090 Ti MSRP: $2000
RTX 4070 Ti MSRP: $800
RTX 4080 MSRP: $1200
RTX 4090 MSRP: $1600

Yeah yeah

TheoneandonlyMrKYeah yeah

Post #13 on here. btw remember that time you attacked der8auer on here. Ya we remember.

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-possibly-maxes-out-ad107-nvidias-smallest-ada-silicon.304757/post-4951812

ParnThe 1070Ti was a $450 class card. So you're saying a near 80% price bump for a card of the same performance class in 2023 is absolutely fine? Oh no, I didn't realise the inflation was so bad for the last 6 years.

Jensen himself said that the era of more performance for same price generation after generation is over.

So the current plan is:

2022, RTX 4080 - $1200
2024, RTX 5080 - $2040
2026, RTX 6080 - $3468
2028, RTX 7080 - $5896
2030, RTX 8080 - $10022
2032, RTX 9080 - $17038
2034, RTX 1080 - $28965

Theoretically, it should be between 3060 and 3060 Ti; and looking the 3060 8GB vs 3050 8GB in the benchmarks show that 4060 Ti has only 20-25% performance uplift compared to 4060. Also, if 4050 has 8GB with 128 bit bus(along with 2560 cores), it would better buy comparing x60 classes. I expect these specs:

RTX 4050 8GB, 128 bit, $249 w/ performance of 2060+10%
RTX 4060 8GB, 128 bit, $349 w/ performance of 3060+15%
RTX 4060 Ti 8GB/10GB, 128/160 bit, $399 w/ performance of 3070
RTX 4070 12GB, 192 bit, $599 w/ performance of 3080 12GB

For me, 4050 and 4070 are best of the 40 series in terms of VRAM, price, and performance. 4060, 4060 Ti, and 4080 are worst values. Maybe, if 4060 Ti has 10GB, it would be as good as 4070 in terms of price-performance.

4060's looking pretty disappointing on paper.

Given that the rest of the Ada models have received core count increases, this is a significant cut down from the 3584 in the old 3060.

If it's priced closer to $300 perhaps the spec reduction compared to Ampere can be forgiven, but that's unlikely given how greedy Nvidia have been with pricing the last few years....

erockerPossibly 3070 performance using 1/3rd the power.

This Card will be slower than the 3070.

BwazeJensen himself said that the era of more performance for same price generation after generation is over.

So the current plan is:

2022, RTX 4080 - $1200
2024, RTX 5080 - $2040
2026, RTX 6080 - $3468
2028, RTX 7080 - $5896
2030, RTX 8080 - $10022
2032, RTX 9080 - $17038
2034, RTX 1080 - $28965

Right, so his plan for the future is to slowly but surely price PC gaming out of reach for 99.9% of the world's population.

Why_MePost #13 on here. btw remember that time you attacked der8auer on here. Ya we remember.

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-possibly-maxes-out-ad107-nvidias-smallest-ada-silicon.304757/post-4951812

Do we? I thought that was a pretty inconsequential thing. There was a response, the thing was settled.

See, outside of Snowflake land, people don't say 'attacked', they just say there was a discussion. Try it! Very refreshing.

ZareekRight, so his plan for the future is to slowly but surely price PC gaming out of reach for 99.9% of the world's population.

Well to be fair, if both AMD and Nvidia persist and Intel remains trailing them, that IS where we will end up - price / perf won't move, so games won't move, consoles will catch up (they already sorta have, because ADA and RDNA3 have made further moves pretty much impossibru) and it'll all be one nice stagnant playground.

But that doesn't have to be a bad thing either, really does it. It just means that RT will remain a unicorn nobody wants to look for in earnest, the rest of gaming is in a pretty decent place. Diminishing returns happened already for over a decade, graphics are hardly the most important part of games by now - the baseline is more than good enough. Note... I've been predicting RT will probably meet a dead end as hardware price will inflate because of it...

lightning70This Card will be slower than the 3070.

Extrapolating from 40-series vs 30-series, looking at core count * clocks, you can make a rough estimate that Ada doesn't add much over Ampere in terms of IPC outside of hardcore raytracing.

A 3072-core part at about 2.7GHz is basically tied with a 3060Ti.

It's not quite that simple, it will be ROP-limited at higher resolutions and have less bandwidth than a 3060 but with much more cache, heavy RT titles will probably perform better on a 4060 than a 3060Ti, while raster-heavy titles leaning on ROPs and bandwidth will run better on the 3060Ti.

This is me guessing but it's an educated guess, extrapolating existing data and the pattern holds true within about 10% for the three Ada cards reviewed so far. It's not rocket science either as Ada's architecture is very similar to Ampere, just with scaled up cache - most of the gains are the 50% clock increases moving to TSMC over Samsung N8.

BwazeJensen himself said that the era of more performance for same price generation after generation is over.

So the current plan is:

2022, RTX 4080 - $1200
2024, RTX 5080 - $2040
2026, RTX 6080 - $3468
2028, RTX 7080 - $5896
2030, RTX 8080 - $10022
2032, RTX 9080 - $17038
2034, RTX 1080 - $28965

You forgot inflation!

Vayra86Do we? I thought that was a pretty inconsequential thing. There was a response, the thing was settled.

See, outside of Snowflake land, people don't say 'attacked', they just say there was a discussion. Try it! Very refreshing.


Well to be fair, if both AMD and Nvidia persist and Intel remains trailing them, that IS where we will end up - price / perf won't move, so games won't move, consoles will catch up (they already sorta have, because ADA and RDNA3 have made further moves pretty much impossibru) and it'll all be one nice stagnant playground.

But that doesn't have to be a bad thing either, really does it. It just means that RT will remain a unicorn nobody wants to look for in earnest, the rest of gaming is in a pretty decent place. Diminishing returns happened already for over a decade, graphics are hardly the most important part of games by now - the baseline is more than good enough. Note... I've been predicting RT will probably meet a dead end as hardware price will inflate because of it...

Funny you raise that point, as I personally have been playing indie games with meh graphics almost exclusively for that past 6 months. I am having more fun gaming than I have in years to boot!

imagine working this hard to preserve Nvidia's image when its tarnished for obvious reasons....

Should be good enough for 1080p60 without RT at $400.

ZoneDymoimagine working this hard to preserve Nvidia's image when its tarnished for obvious reasons....

Probably why AMD is cleaning up in the gpu market.

Hmmmm. Nice that this level is coming out. AMD when’s your equivalent going to be out?

FANTASTIC! They're finally putting 8GB of VRAM on a 30-series card!

mechtechHmmmm. Nice that this level is coming out. AMD when’s your equivalent going to be out?

The midrange market is hungry.
The entry-level market is ravenous.

We can watch and laugh when all this backfires on these companies of zeroes, but for now we just have to be patient.

mechtechHmmmm. Nice that this level is coming out. AMD when’s your equivalent going to be out?

They'll have a APU out soon to cater to this market.

Meanwhile I don't see this selling well, just because there's so much in the channel and moving down the price chart's.

Entry level GPU are not worth the design effort at this point, why because Intel and AMD are going to be putting a useful Igpu in there next CPU so who's buying, just a opinion no hate I await the hate though

@Why_Me "Probably why AMD is cleaning up in the gpu market" , yeah quality posting there, , keep it up, someone might bite yet to your trolling,, meanwhile see my last pm for exactly what I STILL think.

TheoneandonlyMrKThey'll have a APU out soon to cater to this market.

Meanwhile I don't see this selling well, just because there's so much in the channel and moving down the price chart's.

Entry level GPU are not worth the design effort at this point, why because Intel and AMD are going to be putting a useful Igpu in there next CPU so who's buying, just a opinion no hate I await the hate though

@Why_Me "Probably why AMD is cleaning up in the gpu market" , yeah quality posting there, , keep it up, someone might bite yet to your trolling,, meanwhile see my last pm for exactly what I STILL think.

Like always. Depends on price.

Why_MeProbably why AMD is cleaning up in the gpu market.

Remember when Intel was giving us <5% performance improvement each year? It wasn't that long ago...

2 year olds bitching about price in every Nvidia thread... yet their 4000 series cards are fast and cheap enough that they are pushing down the price of existing cards by quite a bit. Competition.

rruffRemember when Intel was giving us <5% performance improvement each year? It wasn't that long ago...

2 year olds bitching about price in every Nvidia thread... yet their 4000 series cards are fast and cheap enough that they are pushing down the price of existing cards by quite a bit. Competition.

I call it 'Sheep Syndrome'. It starts with the youtube drama queens looking for clicks and trickles down to tech site posters on various boards such as this one for example.

"Kopite7kimi, a reliable source with NVIDIA leaks, says that the RTX 4060 has specs which align with the full-spec AD107, with 3,072 CUDA cores across 24 streaming multiprocessors (SM), 96 Tensor cores, 96 TMUs, an unknown ROP count, and 8 GB of 18 Gbps GDDR6 memory. The GPU's on-die L2 cache is 24 MB in size. The card has a typical graphics power (TGP) of 115 W "

Don't know how reliable this is; it looks like the 4060m spec (which will be out very soon). It would be weird if Nvidia used the same silicone for both mobile and desktop, since they aren't for the higher end cards. 115W is the base mobile spec too; they boost to 140W. Even the 4050m boosts to 140W. Surely the desktop will be higher?

4060m: www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4060-mobile.c3946
4060: www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4060.c3891