9% only! I think they don't even care anymore.

The names I could care less about, what matters is price to performance. This being only 9% faster than a 3060Ti is fine if it's 25% cheaper, but I know that's a pipedream, we'd be lucky to get 9% faster for the same price at this rate, they might even initially price it 9%+ higher to sell old stock...

Harder and harder to get excited about GPU releases these days.

wolfThe names I could care less about, what matters is price to performance. This being only 9% faster than a 3060Ti is fine if it's 25% cheaper,

they didn't lower the price of the now 2 year old 3060ti that much, i don't think they will ever lower the price of the 4060ti that much EVER, let alone at launch.

wolfThe names I could care less about, what matters is price to performance. This being only 9% faster than a 3060Ti is fine if it's 25% cheaper, but I know that's a pipedream, we'd be lucky to get 9% faster for the same price at this rate, they might even initially price it 9%+ higher to sell old stock...

Nah, this will be priced higher. I don't think Nvidia is willing to sell a GPU below $449 at this point.

wolfHarder and harder to get excited about GPU releases these days.

Honestly I lost all enthusiasm when the 7900 XTX landed. The 4090 was impressive from a real-world performance standpoint, but from a technical standpoint it's an insult to our intelligence being such a poor quality bin priced that high, but AMD botching the 7900 XTX and missing all of its own performance targets, never mind AD102 level, sealed the deal for me.

I'm hoping the RX 7600 will be priced well. The market needs a healthy, ~$250 graphics card, and AMD can deliver here.

Dr. DroI'm hoping the RX 7600 will be priced well. The market needs a healthy, ~$250 graphics card, and AMD can deliver here.

still dreaming about AMD saving us, doesn't that get old? how many times will that bridge be burned?

Bomby569still dreaming about AMD saving us, doesn't that get old? how many times will that bridge be burned?

Hah, you're preaching to the choir mate. But being unable to compete at the high-end, it only leaves them room to make inroads in the low-end and performance segments. I'll be the first to point out how AMD is like any large corporation, its primary interest is in making money, and developing a mindshare which will also make them money over time. Having impressive products that leave a long lasting impact on people is important, and they have a golden chance here. These aren't necessarily at the high end, see: i5-2500K.

I do wonder how did their fans get so utterly rabid sometimes, and I am guilty of poking and prodding the red bear more than just a few times (I can't help myself, AMD fans get genuinely angry when you criticize their products), but I guess if you look at the past (Intel playing dirty, Nvidia's unfriendly behavior, etc.) it becomes apparent as to why some people heavily favor team red with ideological fervor.

Dr. DroHah, you're preaching to the choir mate. But being unable to compete at the high-end, it only leaves them room to make inroads in the low-end and performance segments. I'll be the first to point out how AMD is like any large corporation, its primary interest is in making money, and developing a mindshare which will also make them money over time. Having impressive products that leave a long lasting impact on people is important, and they have a golden chance here. These aren't necessarily at the high end, see: i5-2500K.

I do wonder how did their fans get so utterly rabid sometimes, and I am guilty of poking and prodding the red bear more than just a few times (I can't help myself, AMD fans get genuinely angry when you criticize their products), but I guess if you look at the past (Intel playing dirty, Nvidia's unfriendly behavior, etc.) it becomes apparent as to why some people heavily favor team red with ideological fervor.

wouldn't they have made more money if they had priced their gpu's a bit more reasonable against Intel? Lower margins more volume, same shit or even more profits, but they could have finally left that eternal distance 2nd place. The cards people buy when they can't afford Nvidia.

Bomby569wouldn't they have made more money if they had priced their gpu's a bit more reasonable against Intel? Lower margins more volume, same shit or even more profits, but they could have finally left that eternal distance 2nd place. The cards people buy when they can't afford Nvidia.

I believe the stance from both AMD and Nvidia right now is to just plain ignore that Intel exists. Arc is still buggy and availability is limited enough that the volume doesn't threaten anyway to swing towards them. Had Intel made all of their SKUs readily available with an aggressive pricing strategy worldwide, they would perhaps mind... or maybe not even.

AMD was the only one to release budget GPUs last generation which were being sold at performance segment prices, Nvidia just ignored everything below the 3060, and eventually released a very late 3050 that made - and still makes no sense at the prices asked built out of harvested 3060's that didn't make the cut.

That would leave Intel free reign to capture the market both AMD and NVIDIA abandoned, the former x10 entry-level/passive discrete cards. With the GT 710 going EOL and receiving no further driver updates, there are no currently supported products at that level, except for the elusive and practically cancelled GT 1010 which never made to market. But that segment also is the one that won't have access to features like Resizable BAR and would genuinely care about stability, so they can't pitch the A310 there.

So just a 3060Ti with DLSS3 magic. One more reason to think that no DLSS3 support on 2000 and 3000 is artificial instead of hardware limitations.

PumperSo just a 3060Ti with DLSS3 magic. One more reason to think that no DLSS3 support on 2000 and 3000 is artificial instead of hardware limitations.

It quite literally is, optical flow acceleration has been present since Turing. They claim Ada's is better, sure I believe them, but they're enabling DLSS 3 on hardware like AD107 (4050 mobile) while leaving the 3090 out, I refuse to believe that 4050 mobile is faster than the 3090 at anything including this

the 4090 is far ahead in terms of performance and price and thats a given because there is no other competitor product in its vicinity
in the US going from 4080 to 4090 is like what 500-600 dollars... the price difference might not seem that big
but look at a country like new zealand an asus strix 4080 is $2899 NZD and a strix 4090 is $4599 NZD .. its $1700 dollars difference
but anything from 4070ti and below, the performance difference is not that big but the price between each of them is far and wide ..
i think nvidia has messed up the 40series pricing

9%? It's not worth buying (when it's available) unless you have a sudden urge for fake_frames™.

Dr. DroHah, you're preaching to the choir mate. But being unable to compete at the high-end, it only leaves them room to make inroads in the low-end and performance segments. I'll be the first to point out how AMD is like any large corporation, its primary interest is in making money, and developing a mindshare which will also make them money over time. Having impressive products that leave a long lasting impact on people is important, and they have a golden chance here. These aren't necessarily at the high end, see: i5-2500K.

I do wonder how did their fans get so utterly rabid sometimes, and I am guilty of poking and prodding the red bear more than just a few times (I can't help myself, AMD fans get genuinely angry when you criticize their products), but I guess if you look at the past (Intel playing dirty, Nvidia's unfriendly behavior, etc.) it becomes apparent as to why some people heavily favor team red with ideological fervor.

AMD did a wonderful job of marketing themselves as "the underdog" when they were nearing bankruptcy, and AMDrones have blinders on when talking about their mythical "mindshare". Much like games, TV shows, movies, and other nerd media, the GPU race has become tribalistic.

Bomby569they didn't lower the price of the now 2 year old 3060ti that much, i don't think they will ever lower the price of the 4060ti that much EVER, let alone at launch.

At least at my local Micro Center, I don't believe any NIB 3060Ti has ever been below $400.

There are still 100+ 3060Ti cards at my Micro Center and the lowest priced one (not counting one marked as "open box" and priced around $380) is $409.99.

They *might* lower prices at some point, but right now they feel they don’t need to. You the customer will contribute to record profits this quarter, if you choose to buy from them. They don’t care how you feel, or what you threaten.. that card will still be sitting on the shelf waiting for you..

Dr. DroI'm hoping the RX 7600 will be priced well. The market needs a healthy, ~$250 graphics card, and AMD can deliver here.

upcoming AMD GPU, the RX 7600, coming in at €349

yikes, even assuming a fair allowance for "not out yet, so not final drivers" (which, tbh, I'd think would be really minimal in this case for various reasons) that's pretty underwhelming, and even more so as I suspect folks are likely to be proven right that this won't be any kind of bargain price either. I'd be happy to be wrong, ofc, but nothing in recent trends seems to point to it (yet). Barely more perf than prior gen and unlikely to be cheaper = hard pass with prejudice. I bet they're counting on (as one person wittily put it) FakeFrames(tm) to get the traditional 'same perf as next step of prior gen' perf gain. So, little actual gain other than dlss3 (which is not in the games I play and never will be afaik*).

Oughta relabel this as a 4050Ti ;)

*older MMOs that I've been playing for years

Correct. back in 2015, GTX 960 used to be the exact 1/2 of 980. now this is even less, not even worthy of a 60 Ti. And this was the worst 60 ever.

TheinsanegamerNAMD did a wonderful job of marketing themselves as "the underdog" when they were nearing bankruptcy, and AMDrones have blinders on when talking about their mythical "mindshare". Much like games, TV shows, movies, and other nerd media, the GPU race has become tribalistic.

Imagine trying to paint yourself as some enlightened bastion of sense and impartiality whilst using a term like "AMDrones". It's hilarious that fervent Nvidia fanboys think they're somehow better than AMD ones, simply because there are far more of them and so they can all tell each other that they're being totally reasonable. The Nvidia crowd are and always have been worse than "AMDrones" going back a couple of decades for being blinkered and refusing to even consider competing products. They've done far more damage to the PC hardware space with their buying habits too. Nvidia fanboys created the current GPU market, not Jensen. That's why all the crying about it is so funny to me.

Ah, the beautiful scent of mid-range VRAM stagnation, brought to you by both NVIDIA and AMD!

AretakImagine trying to paint yourself as some enlightened bastion of sense and impartiality whilst using a term like "AMDrones". It's hilarious that fervent Nvidia fanboys think they're somehow better than AMD ones, simply because there are far more of them and so they can all tell each other that they're being totally reasonable. The Nvidia crowd are and always have been worse than "AMDrones" going back a couple of decades for being blinkered and refusing to even consider competing products. They've done far more damage to the PC hardware space with their buying habits too. Nvidia fanboys created the current GPU market, not Jensen. That's why all the crying about it is so funny to me.

He never mentioned Nvidia. His statement is absolutely right, no matter what Nvidia does, their fans think.
Inferring he is a Nvidia fanboy just because he speaks about AMD, is itself a statement of true fanboyism

PumperSo just a 3060Ti with DLSS3 magic. One more reason to think that no DLSS3 support on 2000 and 3000 is artificial instead of hardware limitations.

Ampere has the same hardware capabilities as Ada for OFA. OFA was introduced with Turing. Ampere and Turing are capable of DLSS 3 at the Tensor level. I guess the question is, are they fast enough and low enough latency for it to be a net benefit. And for Turing, does its hardware limitations provide enough IQ for good frame generation?

NVOFA Application Note - NVIDIA Docs

Bomby569still dreaming about AMD saving us, doesn't that get old? how many times will that bridge be burned?

Yeah, AMD kicked the CPU market back into gear (thank god, finally), but GPUs are completely stagnant. Nvidia is still completely uncontested at the high end, as they have been for what, 7 years now? And AMD just can't seem to do for GPUs what they did for CPUs.

And Covid pricing gave everyone the excuse to cram 4-5 years worth of price inflation into the space of 12 months. It's never going back down, and will only continue to rise until there's some kind of catastrophic real-world political event (unlikely) or AMD gets its ass in gear (only moderately likely). Until then, we get to enjoy Nvidia mislabeling each successive generation with model numbers (and prices) one performance level too high, increasing more with each generation.

WorringlyIndifferentAnd Covid pricing gave everyone the excuse to cram 4-5 years worth of price inflation into the space of 12 months. It's never going back down, and will only continue to rise until there's some kind of catastrophic real-world political event (unlikely) or AMD gets its ass in gear (only moderately likely). Until then, we get to enjoy Nvidia mislabeling each successive generation with model numbers (and prices) one performance level too high, increasing more with each generation.

now we even get a new gen card barely better then the old one it replaces and with the same RAM deficiency, and probably more expensive then the old one that barely even dropped below MSRP in 2 years. This is getting ridiculous at this point.

8GB for $400 and 16GB for $500 are the latest rumors.