Thursday, September 28th 2023

Raspberry Pi Foundation Launches Raspberry Pi 5

It has been over four years since the release of the Raspberry Pi 4, and in that time a lot has changed in the maker board and single-board computer landscape. For the Raspberry Pi Foundation there were struggles with worldwide demand and production capacity brought on by the global pandemic starting in 2020, and plenty of new competitors came to the scene to offer ready to order alternatives to the venerable RPi 4. Today however the production woes have been assuaged and a new generation of Raspberry Pi is here; the Raspberry Pi 5.

Raspberry Pi 5 is being announced in advance of availability unlike every prior RPi device launch. Pre-orders are open with many of the listed Approved Resellers on RPi's website starting today but unit shipments aren't expected until near the end of October 2023. As part of this pre-order scheme, RPi Foundation is withholding pre-orders from bulk customers and will be dealing in single-unit sales for individuals until at least the end of the year, as well as running some promotions with The MagPi and HackSpace magazines to give priority access to their subscribers. Genuinely nice to see, considering how hard it was to obtain a Pi 4 for the average Joe over the last couple years. The two announced prices for the RPi 5 are $60 USD for the 4 GB variant, and $80 USD for the 8 GB variant; or about $5 USD more than current reseller pricing on comparable configurations of the Raspberry Pi 4.

The Raspberry Pi 5 incorporates entirely new silicon with improvements made to nearly every aspect of the board. Below, Raspberry Pi Foundation provides a list of key features that paint the broad strokes of all the changes made to the RPi 5:
  • Broadcom BCM2712 2.4 GHz quad-core 64-bit Arm Cortex-A76 CPU (512 KB per-core L2, 2 MB shared L3)
  • VideoCore VII GPU, supporting OpenGL ES 3.1, Vulkan 1.2
  • Dual 4Kp60 HDMI display output
  • 4Kp60 HEVC decoder
  • LPDDR4X-4267 SDRAM
  • Dual-band 802.11ac Wi-Fi
  • Bluetooth 5.0 / Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)
  • High-speed microSD card interface with SDR104 mode support
  • 2 × USB 3.0 ports, supporting simultaneous 5 Gbps operation
  • 2 × USB 2.0 ports
  • Gigabit Ethernet, with PoE+ support (requires separate PoE+ HAT, coming soon)
  • 2 × 4-lane MIPI camera/display transceivers
  • PCIe 2.0 x1 interface for fast peripherals
  • Raspberry Pi standard 40-pin GPIO header
  • Real-time clock (RTC)
  • Power button
With a new board comes a new case. The RPi 5 has an updated three-piece plastic case with active cooling which allows for installing the RPi 5 with an SD card installed, stacking multiple cases with the top plate removed, and allows for mounting HATs on top of the case above the fan via GPIO header extenstions and strategically placed holes though the case shell. This new case will cost $10 USD. While the RPi Foundation clarifies that no cooling is required for the RPi 5 to operate, there is a new $5 USD active cooler which mounts to the RPi 5 via the added through-hole cooler mounts. This cooler includes a radial blower fan which is claimed to be chosen for low-noise operation, with the added note that the cooler is "somewhat superior [to the case], making it particularly suitable for overclockers."
The Raspberry Pi 5 hosts many hardware changes and even some compatibility breaking new interfaces; however, the RPi Foundation has headed off the possible issues this may cause for users with a slew of new I/O accessories to address these changes. First, due to the new high density "mini" MIPI connectors RPi 5 is launching with multiple lengths of adapters to allow the use of existing "standard" MIPI devices. These adapter ribbon cables come in 200 mm, 300 mm, and 500 mm lengths and cost $1, $2, and $3 USD respectively. Alongside these are a new POE+ HAT adapter launching in 2024 that supports the relocated PoE header.
A rather exciting change comes from the addition of PCI Express 2.0 on the Rasberry Pi 5, and the expansion options for "fast peripherals" this opens up. To take advantage of this, a pair of mechanical HAT adapters for M.2 devices and accessories will be launching in 2024. These allow for the use of standard 2230 and 2242 devices such as NVMe SSDs, third party WWAN, WLAN, and BLE adapters. Presumably M.2 breakout adapters could also work, such as those that split to USB or SATA, but we'll have to wait for the adapters to test. The first of the two adapters (like the prototype pictured below) supports so-called "larger devices" while the second adapter will follow the L-shape configuration of the PoE+ HAT and allow for M.2 devices to fit within the plastic case accessory.
With increased performance sometimes comes (slightly) increased power draw, and Raspberry Pi 5 can pull as much as 50% more power than the Raspberry Pi 4 in demanding tasks. Because of this, and because of enthusiasts that will want to overclock, a new $12 USD 27 W USB-C power adapter will be made available. RPi Foundation is quick to point out that the RPi 5 does not need this increased power to function, and the 15 W power adapter will still work. However, with the 15 W power adapter the RPi 5 will limit downstream USB current to 600 mA maximum to ensure that it has ample headroom for very demanding tasks that might have the board pulling its maximum power rating. This USB current limit can still be disabled by the user when using the 15 W power adapter, and RPi Foundation says, "Raspberry Pi 5 functions perfectly well with typical configurations of higher-power USB devices, and all but the most pathological workloads."
Finally with the inclusion of a real-time clock in the Raspberry Pi 5, an RTC battery will be made available for a $5 USD surcharge. Frankly I feel like this should come with the standard kit, but at least it's available as a first-party accessory. (Though wiring up your own with some spare wire, a 2-wire JST plug, 3 V coin-cell, and some heat-shrink isn't out of the question.)
If reading all that wasn't on your agenda today, you're in luck. Raspberry Pi Foundation's Eben Upton hosted an excellent short video overview of the new Raspberry Pi 5 just for you. Further blog posts talking about the Raspberry Pi 5 will be posted and linked to on the Raspberry Pi 5 main page in the coming weeks.

Source: Raspberry Pi
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67 Comments on Raspberry Pi Foundation Launches Raspberry Pi 5

#51
dragontamer5788
Readlight5W computer
I wish. RP4 already was pushing 6W+. RP5 has a 27W power-supply, meaning you're basically reaching into small laptop-levels of power consumption.

This is actually quite an inefficient design. Sure, its small-form-factor, but with active cooling and 27W specified, it means RP5 is above even PoE (15.4W worst case) and requires PoE+ now. There are Intel-NUCs that use less power (and likely have better performance) than the RP5.

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Its a Rasp. Pi though, so it will sell like hotcakes. But I'm actually not impressed at all. They're going too big and too power-hungry. They should stick to their low-power niche. I already have a laptop (aka: a 25W TDP computer). Rasp. Pi needs to lower-power consumption for more interesting uses (ex: solar harvesting, cheaper batteries, AA-battery portable usage, etc. etc.). Seeing 27W PSU + active cooling + other higher-power features makes me weep.
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#52
bug
dragontamer5788I wish. RP4 already was pushing 6W+. RP5 has a 27W power-supply, meaning you're basically reaching into small laptop-levels of power consumption.
They note the power brick is only needed if you want to stress the CPU and at the same time draw more power over USB ports. Otherwise you can balance between those as wish.
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#53
LinuxGuru
Have been really looking forward to a new RPi release but the lack of onboard M.2 connector is very disappointing in 2023. Many SBCs already had M.2 for years but I guess adding 20 cent connector was too much to ask. Would rather have one M.2 on the bottom of the PCB than bunch of ribbon connectors I will never use. Adding M.2 adapters, ribbon cables, heatsink that should have been included, enclosure just adds up to cable clutter and overall cost, and will make me think twice before getting another RPi. Removing 3.5mm audio jack that I use on Audio Server / Links is also a bad move, and no don't need more adapters.

Might as well just get myself a Beelink S12 Mini for $130 with much more powerful Intel N95, 8GB of up-gradable DDR4 RAM, 256GB M.2 SSD or 16GB RAM version with 500GB SSD for $150. Plus you can run official Ubuntu 22 or Windows 11/10, and actually be able to watch youtube video at 1080p without dropping frames. All this with 6W power consumption.

If anybody from RPi foundation is listening than please take some notes.
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#54
Ferrum Master
You look at Orange pi 5 plus.

Costs the double. But you get double, even more I/O Most importantly two m.2 slots, one boing proper pcie3x4.

If you summ up need for hats and other stuff...

This should be great building stereo vision robotics... Not sure the about videocore npu performance and if RAM is enough for that.

I am disappointed a bit tbh. RK3588 is just better.
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#55
Prima.Vera
Decisive question:

Is this able to play 4K H265 HDR+/DV 10bit videos finally?
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#56
Ferrum Master
Prima.VeraDecisive question:

Is this able to play 4K H265 HDR+/DV 10bit videos finally?
HDR and Linux?
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#57
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
TheLostSwedeAsk the people that has been pestering the RPi foundation about it
Or just read the thread: People are using them for general purpose computers. So yeah. The dream is dead.
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#58
Tahagomizer
It once was an SBC for people who wanted to build something interesting and unusual, now they just went for the consumer mini-PC market and boast things like support for "8k" displays and high resolution video playback. Because obviously that's what a home tinkerer wants. Seems like the commercial subsidiary (Raspberry Pi Ltd) took over the charity part (Raspberry Pi Foundation), in the process dumbing things down for the lowest common denominator, a.k.a consumers. They even got rid of color coded GPIO header which seems par for the course.
Meh, just get a refurbished x86 mini-PC.
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#59
dragontamer5788
TahagomizerIt once was an SBC for people who wanted to build something interesting and unusual, now they just went for the consumer mini-PC market and boast things like support for "8k" displays and high resolution video playback. Because obviously that's what a home tinkerer wants. Seems like the commercial subsidiary (Raspberry Pi Ltd) took over the charity part (Raspberry Pi Foundation), in the process dumbing things down for the lowest common denominator, a.k.a consumers. They even got rid of color coded GPIO header which seems par for the course.
Meh, just get a refurbished x86 mini-PC.
Agreed.

I mean, we all know that laptops, SFF PCs, and Desktops make a lot of money. So its not so bad for them to cater to the SFF PC crowd. But... RP5 just doesn't do anything interesting anymore. Its sucking down too much power for the vast majority of interesting applications (a laptop is literally a better buy from a power-consumption perspective). Its always been very closed-source due to Broadcom NDAs, undocumented pins/features/etc. etc.

I guess its interesting because its cheap... but is it really cheap? The Rasp. Pi foundation doesn't have enough manufacturing prowess to actually support a mini-PC market. So we all know that these things are going to be scalp'd and then resold at like $100 or higher. The MSRP price tag is completely irrelevant here.
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#60
LinuxGuru
TahagomizerIt once was an SBC for people who wanted to build something interesting and unusual, now they just went for the consumer mini-PC market and boast things like support for "8k" displays and high resolution video playback. Because obviously that's what a home tinkerer wants. Seems like the commercial subsidiary (Raspberry Pi Ltd) took over the charity part (Raspberry Pi Foundation), in the process dumbing things down for the lowest common denominator, a.k.a consumers. They even got rid of color coded GPIO header which seems par for the course.
Meh, just get a refurbished x86 mini-PC.
RPi 5 is very underwhelming and a lazy release to say the least. PCIe 2.0 x1 is limited to only 1Gbps vs USB 3.0 ports that offer 5Gbps, not really worth connecting NVMe SSD to. Other SBC manufacturers put RPi to shame with boards like Orange Pi 5 Plus that offer 8-core CPU, PCIe 4x, dual 2.5G Ethernet ports, Type-C DP and nice onboard audio chip. Their claims of not bringing better features because of low $35 price tag doesn't hold water anymore. At $60 - 80 price makes me consider many other alternatives that are out there.
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#61
FoulOnWhite
LinuxGuruRPi 5 is very underwhelming and a lazy release to say the least. PCIe 2.0 x1 is limited to only 1Gbps vs USB 3.0 ports that offer 5Gbps, not really worth connecting NVMe SSD to. Other SBC manufacturers put RPi to shame with boards like Orange Pi 5 Plus that offer 8-core CPU, PCIe 4x, dual 2.5G Ethernet ports, Type-C DP and nice onboard audio chip. Their claims of not bringing better features because of low $35 price tag doesn't hold water anymore. At $60 - 80 price makes me consider many other alternatives that are out there.
Do pi hats work on the orange? got a nice class D amp hat

shop.pimoroni.com/products/pi-digiamp?variant=4584804609
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#62
bug
LinuxGuruRPi 5 is very underwhelming and a lazy release to say the least. PCIe 2.0 x1 is limited to only 1Gbps vs USB 3.0 ports that offer 5Gbps, not really worth connecting NVMe SSD to. Other SBC manufacturers put RPi to shame with boards like Orange Pi 5 Plus that offer 8-core CPU, PCIe 4x, dual 2.5G Ethernet ports, Type-C DP and nice onboard audio chip. Their claims of not bringing better features because of low $35 price tag doesn't hold water anymore. At $60 - 80 price makes me consider many other alternatives that are out there.
But is it a $60-80 product? Because you will want that CMOS battery, case and, most likely, power brick, too. At a minimum.
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#65
Ferrum Master
Jup, no HDR fun in Linux. At least this year... and I suppose not even next year.

You may boot android for that, but that's very HW dependent.
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#66
Greenslade
Another thing is you are going to have to buy a new case. o_OI will stick with the PI4Unless you want to mod one of the old cases..Here is the number one UK Pi man :)
I would get another make of single board computer.When there is one made available that you can use any distros that the PI uses .When that will be is any ones guess i want hold my breath. o_OIt might be a different case if they make a PI5 that is built in the keyboard making it the 500.
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#67
Greenslade
I have just orded a pre order one along with the fan and the power umit. :)
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