Thursday, September 28th 2023

Raspberry Pi Foundation Launches Raspberry Pi 5

It has been over four years since the release of the Raspberry Pi 4, and in that time a lot has changed in the maker board and single-board computer landscape. For the Raspberry Pi Foundation there were struggles with worldwide demand and production capacity brought on by the global pandemic starting in 2020, and plenty of new competitors came to the scene to offer ready to order alternatives to the venerable RPi 4. Today however the production woes have been assuaged and a new generation of Raspberry Pi is here; the Raspberry Pi 5.

Raspberry Pi 5 is being announced in advance of availability unlike every prior RPi device launch. Pre-orders are open with many of the listed Approved Resellers on RPi's website starting today but unit shipments aren't expected until near the end of October 2023. As part of this pre-order scheme, RPi Foundation is withholding pre-orders from bulk customers and will be dealing in single-unit sales for individuals until at least the end of the year, as well as running some promotions with The MagPi and HackSpace magazines to give priority access to their subscribers. Genuinely nice to see, considering how hard it was to obtain a Pi 4 for the average Joe over the last couple years. The two announced prices for the RPi 5 are $60 USD for the 4 GB variant, and $80 USD for the 8 GB variant; or about $5 USD more than current reseller pricing on comparable configurations of the Raspberry Pi 4.

The Raspberry Pi 5 incorporates entirely new silicon with improvements made to nearly every aspect of the board. Below, Raspberry Pi Foundation provides a list of key features that paint the broad strokes of all the changes made to the RPi 5:
  • Broadcom BCM2712 2.4 GHz quad-core 64-bit Arm Cortex-A76 CPU (512 KB per-core L2, 2 MB shared L3)
  • VideoCore VII GPU, supporting OpenGL ES 3.1, Vulkan 1.2
  • Dual 4Kp60 HDMI display output
  • 4Kp60 HEVC decoder
  • LPDDR4X-4267 SDRAM
  • Dual-band 802.11ac Wi-Fi
  • Bluetooth 5.0 / Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)
  • High-speed microSD card interface with SDR104 mode support
  • 2 × USB 3.0 ports, supporting simultaneous 5 Gbps operation
  • 2 × USB 2.0 ports
  • Gigabit Ethernet, with PoE+ support (requires separate PoE+ HAT, coming soon)
  • 2 × 4-lane MIPI camera/display transceivers
  • PCIe 2.0 x1 interface for fast peripherals
  • Raspberry Pi standard 40-pin GPIO header
  • Real-time clock (RTC)
  • Power button
With a new board comes a new case. The RPi 5 has an updated three-piece plastic case with active cooling which allows for installing the RPi 5 with an SD card installed, stacking multiple cases with the top plate removed, and allows for mounting HATs on top of the case above the fan via GPIO header extenstions and strategically placed holes though the case shell. This new case will cost $10 USD. While the RPi Foundation clarifies that no cooling is required for the RPi 5 to operate, there is a new $5 USD active cooler which mounts to the RPi 5 via the added through-hole cooler mounts. This cooler includes a radial blower fan which is claimed to be chosen for low-noise operation, with the added note that the cooler is "somewhat superior [to the case], making it particularly suitable for overclockers."
The Raspberry Pi 5 hosts many hardware changes and even some compatibility breaking new interfaces; however, the RPi Foundation has headed off the possible issues this may cause for users with a slew of new I/O accessories to address these changes. First, due to the new high density "mini" MIPI connectors RPi 5 is launching with multiple lengths of adapters to allow the use of existing "standard" MIPI devices. These adapter ribbon cables come in 200 mm, 300 mm, and 500 mm lengths and cost $1, $2, and $3 USD respectively. Alongside these are a new POE+ HAT adapter launching in 2024 that supports the relocated PoE header.
A rather exciting change comes from the addition of PCI Express 2.0 on the Rasberry Pi 5, and the expansion options for "fast peripherals" this opens up. To take advantage of this, a pair of mechanical HAT adapters for M.2 devices and accessories will be launching in 2024. These allow for the use of standard 2230 and 2242 devices such as NVMe SSDs, third party WWAN, WLAN, and BLE adapters. Presumably M.2 breakout adapters could also work, such as those that split to USB or SATA, but we'll have to wait for the adapters to test. The first of the two adapters (like the prototype pictured below) supports so-called "larger devices" while the second adapter will follow the L-shape configuration of the PoE+ HAT and allow for M.2 devices to fit within the plastic case accessory.
With increased performance sometimes comes (slightly) increased power draw, and Raspberry Pi 5 can pull as much as 50% more power than the Raspberry Pi 4 in demanding tasks. Because of this, and because of enthusiasts that will want to overclock, a new $12 USD 27 W USB-C power adapter will be made available. RPi Foundation is quick to point out that the RPi 5 does not need this increased power to function, and the 15 W power adapter will still work. However, with the 15 W power adapter the RPi 5 will limit downstream USB current to 600 mA maximum to ensure that it has ample headroom for very demanding tasks that might have the board pulling its maximum power rating. This USB current limit can still be disabled by the user when using the 15 W power adapter, and RPi Foundation says, "Raspberry Pi 5 functions perfectly well with typical configurations of higher-power USB devices, and all but the most pathological workloads."
Finally with the inclusion of a real-time clock in the Raspberry Pi 5, an RTC battery will be made available for a $5 USD surcharge. Frankly I feel like this should come with the standard kit, but at least it's available as a first-party accessory. (Though wiring up your own with some spare wire, a 2-wire JST plug, 3 V coin-cell, and some heat-shrink isn't out of the question.)
If reading all that wasn't on your agenda today, you're in luck. Raspberry Pi Foundation's Eben Upton hosted an excellent short video overview of the new Raspberry Pi 5 just for you. Further blog posts talking about the Raspberry Pi 5 will be posted and linked to on the Raspberry Pi 5 main page in the coming weeks.

Source: Raspberry Pi
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67 Comments on Raspberry Pi Foundation Launches Raspberry Pi 5

#27
TheLostSwede
News Editor
bugYou're describing getting the platform up to par. I would assume this part is taken care of by the Raspberry Pi Foundation.
After this step, I would expect running pretty much everything would be business as usual.
Sadly no. Due to the use of the Videocore from Broadcom, they're still having a lot of limitations when it comes to what the GPU can do, both in terms of 3D and video playback.
It's always been one of the big drawbacks of the RPi.
Ethernet I'm sure they'll have figured out as well as some of the other things their xinese counterparts are struggling with, but there are still issues with the platform that are unlikely to ever be resolved, unless Broadcom decides to open up their Videocore. It's by far the biggest complaint about the platform as well.
jayjr1105I would imagine idle and light usage it would stay well under 10w. Just because the power brick is 5v5a doesn't mean it will use that all the time.
Doesn't make it a 5 W computer though and the idle power of most Arm chips is sub 1 W.
That said, from what I've seen so far, it appears that the RPi foundation has a lot of power optimisation left to do.
jayjr1105
That's headless or a screenshot from the RPi 5? Throwing that up with no context ells us nothing.
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#28
bug
TheLostSwedeSadly no. Due to the use of the Videocore from Broadcom, they're still having a lot of limitations when it comes to what the GPU can do, both in terms of 3D and video playback.
It's always been one of the big drawbacks of the RPi.
Ethernet I'm sure they'll have figured out as well as some of the other things their xinese counterparts are struggling with, but there are still issues with the platform that are unlikely to ever be resolved, unless Broadcom decides to open up their Videocore. It's by far the biggest complaint about the platform as well.
Fair enough. Somehow my brain was set on headless usage for these, but yes, the plague of SoCs using proprietary, closed video (and other) drivers is still very much with us :(
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#29
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
TheLostSwedeSee above. We're way past that now, as the RPi 5 is none of what you're describing.
What are the use cases for big performance and a lot of bandwidth?
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#30
jayjr1105
TheLostSwedeThat's headless or a screenshot from the RPi 5? Throwing that up with no context ells us nothing.
Not headless
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#31
TheLostSwede
News Editor
bugFair enough. Somehow my brain was set on headless usage for these, but yes, the plague of SoCs using proprietary, closed video (and other) drivers is still very much with us :(
It's far from perfect in the x86/64 world either, but it's improving a lot faster.
FrickWhat are the use cases for big performance and a lot of bandwidth?
Ask the people that has been pestering the RPi foundation about it.
Is this was to remain a low cost tinkering platform, not that many.
jayjr1105Not headless
Yeah, I'm not going to watch a video. Did it do anything advanced with the GPU or any interface at 6 W or just running pure CPU compute benchmarks?
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#32
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
TheLostSwedeAsk the people that has been pestering the RPi foundation about it.
Is this was to remain a low cost tinkering platform, not that many.
I'm not talking tinkering platforms though, I'm talking about things like using them as control centres for mobile homes, ventilation or any scenario which includes sensors and/or user input, of which there are so many. I thought that was the reason companies gobbled up any avaliable inventory, that they are insanley useful in so many scenarios.
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#33
SOAREVERSOR
silent majorityIf you don't play games, this is enough; you don't need a PC.
If you don't do work and want to play games this is enough. Most non tinkerers using the Pi are just running emulation stations and it's very good at that.
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#34
TheLostSwede
News Editor
FrickI'm not talking tinkering platforms though, I'm talking about things like using them as control centres for mobile homes, ventilation or any scenario which includes sensors and/or user input, of which there are so many. I thought that was the reason companies gobbled up any avaliable inventory, that they are insanley useful in so many scenarios.
I believe it has more to do with the mature software, less hassle than trying to get one of the xinese SoC up and running properly.
I've been involved in a couple of AllWinner and Rockchip based projects and the software side is not mature at all.
It really comes down to the hardware needs, but companies like STMicro is now seemingly taking over the low power, low cost but half decent software support side of things with their STM32MP1 family of chips. At least for those that don't need video playback or 3D graphics support.
For the use cases you mentioned, I'd say it's a vastly superior solution. However, it's not as readily available and requires some work to get the software up and running in most cases.
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#35
jayjr1105
TheLostSwedeIt's far from perfect in the x86/64 world either, but it's improving a lot faster.


Ask the people that has been pestering the RPi foundation about it.
Is this was to remain a low cost tinkering platform, not that many.


Yeah, I'm not going to watch a video. Did it do anything advanced with the GPU or any interface at 6 W or just running pure CPU compute benchmarks?
I literally qued it up right when he goes over the power consumption part. It's full fat GUI desktop while running a CPU stress test and it maxed out at 6 watts. And that's not factoring in any efficiency loss of the power brick which is probably 90%~ or so efficiency. I can't imagine adding a GPU stress adding much more. Don't piss and moan over a non context screenshot if you're not going to observe the context when someone does post it.
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#36
TheLostSwede
News Editor
Another "review". I runs hot without that active cooling and the RPi 4 wasn't exactly cool. SD card and USB 3.0 performance is still meh.
Tom's is seeing around 7 W power draw when stress testing the CPU.



www.tomshardware.com/reviews/raspberry-pi-5
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#37
Canned Noodles
I’ll wait for some overclocking reviews/guides to come out, then decide whether or not it’s worth the money :D
All that matters is how fast you can MAKE it
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#38
Assimilator
They've had nearly HALF A DECADE to improve on v4 and this is what they came up with? Still no USB-C data transfer which makes it obsolete out of the gate, still using mini-HDMI WHICH HAS A ROYALTY FEE instead of mini-DP WHICH DOES NOT... or if you had USB-C ports YOU COULD JUST PIPE DISPLAYPORT THROUGH THEM.

This isn't so much insulting as it is just plain stupid.
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#39
jayjr1105
AssimilatorThey've had nearly HALF A DECADE to improve on v4 and this is what they came up with? Still no USB-C data transfer which makes it obsolete out of the gate, still using mini-HDMI WHICH HAS A ROYALTY FEE instead of mini-DP WHICH DOES NOT... or if you had USB-C ports YOU COULD JUST PIPE DISPLAYPORT THROUGH THEM.

This isn't so much insulting as it is just plain stupid.
An no eMMC or native m.2 slot on board. Have to buy a hat.
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#40
AusWolf
Nice! I used to have a NAS built around a Pi running Linux, but it was way too slow. I'm tempted to try again with the Pi 5. :)
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#41
Greenslade
You guys have been quick on the drawo_OI only just saw the new PI5 announced by my fav UK You tuber Chris Explaining Computers.

:)Sadly the 3.5 audio jack had gone sadly it still has those micro HDMI ports.:( And who uses two screens with the PIo_OI thought USB3 ports were always 5gbo_OIt has been a long time coming do you think it was worth the wait?Anything you were expecting to get on it?
jayjr1105An no eMMC or native m.2 slot on board. Have to buy a hat.
Thats more expense :( There are so many single board computers about.But they are limited by not being able to run as many Os,s on them as the PI.:(If they were i would try one of them.:) Ones that sell for less than £100.
AssimilatorThey've had nearly HALF A DECADE to improve on v4 and this is what they came up with? Still no USB-C data transfer which makes it obsolete out of the gate, still using mini-HDMI WHICH HAS A ROYALTY FEE instead of mini-DP WHICH DOES NOT... or if you had USB-C ports YOU COULD JUST PIPE DISPLAYPORT THROUGH THEM.

This isn't so much insulting as it is just plain stupid.
I take it you want be buying one

[USER=7058]Assimilator[/USER]. :laugh:

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#42
Icon Charlie
jayjr1105Not headless
IMHO Explaining computers is one of the best sites on Youtube. He has done more in helping common people understand this sector of tech than just about anyone of late. I have a lot of respect for this man.
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#43
jayjr1105
Icon CharlieIMHO Explaining computers is one of the best sites on Youtube. He has done more in helping common people understand this sector of tech than just about anyone of late. I have a lot of respect for this man.
He's great. I love his clean and simple approach. And Mr. Scissors
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#44
Tropick
Canned NoodlesI’ll wait for some overclocking reviews/guides to come out, then decide whether or not it’s worth the money :D
All that matters is how fast you can MAKE it
This is the biggest thing I'm interested in. I want to get that A76 flying around at 3GHz if possible. :rockout: I have my 4B 8GB running 2.2GHz delidded on an ICE Tower cooler using a 5.1v 4A power supply and it's incredibly snappy running 64-bit RPi OS. Great little linux messaround box.
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#45
Greenslade
Icon CharlieIMHO Explaining computers is one of the best sites on Youtube. He has done more in helping common people understand this sector of tech than just about anyone of late. I have a lot of respect for this man.
I agree with you there

[USER=190589]Icon Charlie[/USER] :) If i had a teacher like him when i was at school i might have learnt something.Love his sence of humour Mr Scissors

and Stanly the knife :laugh:

jayjr1105He's great. I love his clean and simple approach. And Mr. Scissors
You left out Stanly the knife.:laugh:
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#46
Psychoholic
Nice, my PI 4 (8GB) Runs my DNS/Adblock, Speedtest server and a nas.
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#48
cvaldes
In 2023 a desktop PC really needs to have decent video playback performance (YouTube, etc.).

One of the tech media sites, maybe Tom’s Hardware points out that video playback has been Raspberry Pi’s Achilles heel and version 5 has not solved this shortcoming.

You are better off getting a cheap (~$150) PC with an Intel CPU (like N95 or N100) which will handle video playback without issue and of course provide broad compatibility with standard desktop applications.

I like my RPi4 but it is a poor choice as a goto desktop PC. I ran Kodi via LibreELEC for a while on it but gave up and replaced it with a Beelink Mini S12 (Intel N95).
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#49
ixi
Main question is here. Can it run minecraft and minecraft server?
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#50
bug
AssimilatorThey've had nearly HALF A DECADE to improve on v4 and this is what they came up with? Still no USB-C data transfer which makes it obsolete out of the gate, still using mini-HDMI WHICH HAS A ROYALTY FEE instead of mini-DP WHICH DOES NOT... or if you had USB-C ports YOU COULD JUST PIPE DISPLAYPORT THROUGH THEM.

This isn't so much insulting as it is just plain stupid.
Add to that no USB-PD...
jayjr1105I literally qued it up right when he goes over the power consumption part. It's full fat GUI desktop while running a CPU stress test and it maxed out at 6 watts. And that's not factoring in any efficiency loss of the power brick which is probably 90%~ or so efficiency. I can't imagine adding a GPU stress adding much more. Don't piss and moan over a non context screenshot if you're not going to observe the context when someone does post it.
Phoronix measures the most improvements when cooled in various OpenSSL operations. So I'm guessing it will draw more power when the code actually uses Neon and such.
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