If this is how the reactions will go; then we'll probably see the 7900 XTX lowered to $899 (With some at $879 at announcement) on the 26th, and 7700 XT lowered to $429 (With some at $405 at announcement) on the 2nd February.
Should be reasonably competitive - but not as much as I had hoped.

If the 4070 Ti Super perform better, and sells at the MSRP, then even with this cut will not be enough.

There's the start of the cuts, as expected, hopefully 7800XT too, too close to 4070/super now. Good news for everyone.

Still too much, considering the lacking features.

I hope 7900XTX will end up below 800 and 7900XT below 600 soon.
7800XT should be 449 tops, maybe even 399.

AMD needs aggressive pricing if they want to regain marketshare, and still they need to work hard on improving their lacking features (which is the reason Nvidia is selling much better). FSR and AFMF is the more important ones.

Most people will pay 100-200 dollars more and just get Nvidia, with lower power comsumption and temps, better drivers and general compatilibity and much better features.

AMD needs to forget about RT/PT performance for now, and focus 100% on FSR and AFMF. They are too far behind on RT/PT anyway and it does not make sense, since most PC gamers probably won't buy AMD for RT/PT anyway.

Upscaling is here to stay tho, and already replaced AA in most new games.

I’m guessing and will also follow suit with a refresh called 7850xt? 7950xt/xtx? But amd shouldn’t take too long it’s 11 months till we see Rtx 50 series…

lasStill too much, considering the lacking features.

I hope 7900XTX will end up below 800 and 7900XT below 600 soon.
7800XT should be 449 tops, maybe even 399.

AMD needs aggressive pricing if they want to regain marketshare, and still they need to work hard on improving their lacking features (which is the reason Nvidia is selling much better). FSR and AFMF is the more important ones.

Most people will pay 100-200 dollars more and just get Nvidia, with lower power comsumption and temps, better drivers and general compatilibity and much better features.

AMD needs to forget about RT/PT performance for now, and focus 100% on FSR and AFMF. They are too far behind on RT/PT anyway and it does not make sense, since most PC gamers probably won't buy AMD for RT/PT anyway.

Upscaling is here to stay tho, and already replaced AA in most new games.

Unfortunately for all of us, AMD and Nvidia are going full steam after AI. The DIY GPU market is at risk of being ignored by both companies. AMD stock went up 8.3% yesterday on AI speculation. Nvidia has hit $1.4 trillion market cap. Gamers are both companies least concern. Ironically, Microsoft, Sony, Intel and Apple of all companies might be the few who care about gaming going forward.

HyderzI’m guessing and will also follow suit with a refresh called 7850xt?

Isn't the 7900 GRE in that position already, although not globally sold?

lasStill too much, considering the lacking features.

I hope 7900XTX will end up below 800 and 7900XT below 600 soon.
7800XT should be 449 tops, maybe even 399.

AMD needs aggressive pricing if they want to regain marketshare, and still they need to work hard on improving their lacking features (which is the reason Nvidia is selling much better). FSR and AFMF is the more important ones.

Most people will pay 100-200 dollars more and just get Nvidia, with lower power comsumption and temps, better drivers and general compatilibity and much better features.

AMD needs to forget about RT/PT performance for now, and focus 100% on FSR and AFMF. They are too far behind on RT/PT anyway and it does not make sense, since most PC gamers probably won't buy AMD for RT/PT anyway.

Upscaling is here to stay tho, and already replaced AA in most new games.

Yes the 7900Xt is so weak.....

kapone32Yes the 7900Xt is so weak.....

More like lacking features and overpriced, but prices will drop even more, just wait
Or it won't sell at all, after all 7900XT is not even listed on Steam HW Survey

lasMore like lacking features and overpriced, but prices will drop even more, just wait
Or it won't sell at all, after all 7900XT is not even listed on Steam HW Survey

I have a 7900xt. Funny it doesn’t feel weak when I’m pwning noobs. Maybe I’m using it wrong.

DavenI have a 7900xt. Funny it doesn’t feel weak when I’m pwning noobs. Maybe I’m using it wrong.

Sounds impressive. Alpha male I guess?

Why would AMD drop prices when they know NVIDIA could undercut them because NVIDIA has higher margins?

Also AMD has got higher margin products competing the same wafer allocation.

Like others here, it's not fast enough to justify it's price relative to either the 7900XTX or the 7800XT, let alone the competition from Nvidia.

Given that the $1000 7900 XTX is going to get rinsed by the $1000 4080 Super - because the slower 4080 is already a perfect match for the XTX - the XTX will need to come down to about $850, which makes the 7900XT worth only $700 at XTX tier pricing, and it's not an XTX-tier product that can command that flagship premium. $675 is a more realistic price for the post-4080-Super 7900XT, and at that point it will still be competing with the $600 4070 Super which stradles the 7900XT with 10% superior RT performance, ~15% worse raster performance, but also has the advantage of CUDA and AI support, DLSS vs FSR argument, much lower power consumption, and of course a huge price advantage, even with the $7900XT at $675!

It's a real shame we didn't get a 4060 Ti Super, that's the price point that really needs shaking up the most, because the vanilla 4070 and 7800XT aren't exactly what I'd call compelling value and they're probably outselling higher-tier cards by 5:1 or something like that. The further GPUs stray from the price of a PS5 or XBSX, the fewer people will end up buying them.

lasStill too much, considering the lacking features.

I hope 7900XTX will end up below 800 and 7900XT below 600 soon.
7800XT should be 449 tops, maybe even 399.

AMD needs aggressive pricing if they want to regain marketshare, and still they need to work hard on improving their lacking features (which is the reason Nvidia is selling much better). FSR and AFMF is the more important ones.

Most people will pay 100-200 dollars more and just get Nvidia, with lower power comsumption and temps, better drivers and general compatilibity and much better features.

AMD needs to forget about RT/PT performance for now, and focus 100% on FSR and AFMF. They are too far behind on RT/PT anyway and it does not make sense, since most PC gamers probably won't buy AMD for RT/PT anyway.

Upscaling is here to stay tho, and already replaced AA in most new games.

i have no idea what bro do you smoke, but this contest is brutal

1st about the price tag on xtx and xt models..
2nd nvidia is selling more cuz they have bigger manufacturing capacities to produce more units if we compared to amd. looks like you can dig a bit
3rd what is wrong with AMD drivers please tell me! and tell to everyone! do you ever look in nvidia and amd control panel what is offering amd and nvidia? how poor nvidia panel looks?!

and last one, nvidia should fix the stupid power connection and maybe they can get more peasants who willing to spend extra money for non-reason
yes yes they have a new version but its still crap.

so for now i stick with AMD who can offer me nice performance for a £ instead of following the troll band..

qcmadnessWhy would AMD drop prices when they know NVIDIA could undercut them because NVIDIA has higher margins?

What? Why would Nvidia reduce their margins :wtf:

Do you see Apple reduce their prices just because Samsung is selling more phones?

lasMore like lacking features and overpriced, but prices will drop even more, just wait
Or it won't sell at all, after all 7900XT is not even listed on Steam HW Survey

yeah that's weird, but they have on-list xtx models, maybe steam cant recognize the different between xt and xtx and stack them together? :/

lasMore like lacking features and overpriced, but prices will drop even more, just wait
Or it won't sell at all, after all 7900XT is not even listed on Steam HW Survey

I promise you that a 7900XT is plenty fast for Native 4K but I don't know what I am talking about I have only been using this PC since January 2023 and enjoying the hell out of Gaming. Now you tell me that my experience sucks because my card is about 20% slower in Nvidia features. What you are not realizing is AFMF or whatever it is called is going to make your argument moot, when people like me are always getting high FPS in all Games. Even the ones in my library that have no DLSS or Upscaling magic. I once again have to come back to when are we going to give Sapphire kudos for having the first iteration of working upscaling in their Trixx software.

The not sell notion does not hold water when the card has only dropped in price by $100 in price where I live. Don't believe me though just watch Kit Guru's review of the 4070 Super or read any of the TPU reviews of the 4070 Super.

Then we have not even talked about the rest of my system. As much as the 7900X3D gets maligned (AMD did not sample it) it is also the coolest running 5.7 GhZ CPU that happens to have 24 threads. Then I have MP 700 storage as my boot and main Game drive but there is nothing that does not make me smile when I turn on my PC.

lasMost people will pay 100-200 dollars more and just get Nvidia, with lower power comsumption and temps, better drivers and general compatilibity and much better features.

You should make a survey on this ...
I'm not sure I would

I don't understand the hate in here for the 7900XT. It's not a bad card, it just had a bad MSRP - and that's about to get squeezed because the card it competed with (4070 Ti) has just been retired at $800, with the 4070 Super effectively replacing it at 95% of the 4070 Ti for $600.

The 7900XT cannot hold its price once 4070S stock starts to hit retail in larger quantities than the launch-day scalping we're seeing these last 24 hours.

R0H1TWhat? Why would Nvidia reduce their margins :wtf:

Do you see Apple reduce their prices just because Samsung is selling more phones?

That's different, iphones are not Apple's main revenue stream, iOS and the app store are. Price is kept high from a marketing perspective.

zo0lykasi have no idea what bro do you smoke, but this contest is brutal

1st about the price tag on xtx and xt models..
2nd nvidia is selling more cuz they have bigger manufacturing capacities to produce more units if we compared to amd. looks like you can dig a bit
3rd what is wrong with AMD drivers please tell me! and tell to everyone! do you ever look in nvidia and amd control panel what is offering amd and nvidia? how poor nvidia panel looks?!

and last one, nvidia should fix the stupid power connection and maybe they can get more peasants who willing to spend extra money for non-reason
yes yes they have a new version but its still crap.

so for now i stick with AMD who can offer me nice performance for a £ instead of following the troll band..

Nvidias drivers work very well and have all the settings I need. They are way more advanced than you think when you actually dig in.

I prefer the Nvidia CP over the gamey-look of AMD drivers for sure. Anti Lag+ got people Steam banned recently. Rushed out beta features that don't really work is mainly what AMD does. Also AMD Radeon drivers were bricking windows installs not that long ago, on several driver versions. AMDs drivers are absolutely not better than Nvidias and lacks day one and beta drivers most of the time.

If you leave the most popular PC games that gets benchmarked the most (for reviews) you will see that AMDs performance is very wonky. Nvidias driver team is way bigger and most developers knows that 80% of PC gamers are using Nvidia and often use Nvidia themselves. This is why Nvidia generally runs smoother and with less issues. There's a few games that runs better on AMD, not many tho.

12VHPWR is great and I have zero problems with it. Nvidia did not invent it. PCI-SIG did and part of ATX 3.x spec. It's here to stay, or 12V-2x6 which is 100% backwards compatible with 12VHPWR. AMD will use this connector for sure for Radeon 8000 series. The new connector with less cabling is far superior to having 3 or 4x 8 pins. Never going back to that.

I am not saying AMD GPUs are bad per se, they are just too expensive for what you get. Looking at raster performance only in 2024 is a no-go for me, and I am probably not alone considering how much Nvidia dominates.

lasStill too much, considering the lacking features.

I hope 7900XTX will end up below 800 and 7900XT below 600 soon.
7800XT should be 449 tops, maybe even 399.

AMD needs aggressive pricing if they want to regain marketshare, and still they need to work hard on improving their lacking features (which is the reason Nvidia is selling much better). FSR and AFMF is the more important ones.

Most people will pay 100-200 dollars more and just get Nvidia, with lower power comsumption and temps, better drivers and general compatilibity and much better features.

AMD needs to forget about RT/PT performance for now, and focus 100% on FSR and AFMF. They are too far behind on RT/PT anyway and it does not make sense, since most PC gamers probably won't buy AMD for RT/PT anyway.

Upscaling is here to stay tho, and already replaced AA in most new games.

How long those "features" will by available ? Dlss1 dead, dlss2 dead, dlss3 will by dead at end of 2024 because 5*** series is coming.
Devs have ZERO interest of dead or dying technology!
Took 3years to fix cyberpunk, look at alan wake 2 (4070s)4K :D 3FPS .
6year since RT is fancy shining "feature" but every RT game is broken with garbage performance

Chrispy_I don't understand the hate in here for the 7900XT. It's not a bad card, it just had a bad MSRP - and that's about to get squeezed because the card it competed with (4070 Ti) has just been retired at $800, with the 4070 Super effectively replacing it at 95% of the 4070 Ti for $600.

The 7900XT cannot hold its price once 4070S stock starts to hit retail in larger quantities than the launch-day scalping we're seeing these last 24 hours.

4070 SUPER is 8% slower than 4070 Ti and the Ti was launched 1 year ago, has been below MSRP many times since launch -> www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super-founders-edition/32.html

A friend of mine picked one up for 660 back before summer with a game bundled, that he would have bought anyway, essentially he paid 590 dollars for his 4070 Ti, retracting the 70 bucks for that game.

Very great card for 1440p/240Hz which he use along with a 7800X3D. I tweaked his card to 25.000 GPU Score in TimeSpy easily. 4070 SUPER Founders gets 20800 or so -> www.guru3d.com/review/geforce-rtx-4070-super-founder-edition-review/page-21/

4070 Ti is still the better card and 4070 Ti SUPER will only be ~10% faster. Can't wait to see 4K/UHD comparisons showing those extra 4GB don't matter yet and when it will actually matter, the GPU will too slow to max games anyway. This is what always happen eventually. Alot of VRAM? Great, sadly GPU is not up to the task and you will be forced to lower settings and hence lowering VRAM requirement as well.

4060 Ti 8GB vs 16GB showed the exact same thing. Pretty much zero improvements, and you only saw improvements in games that neither of these cards can run anyway, meaning native 4K/UHD with RT etc. Not a scenario where you would use 4060 series -> www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-16-gb/

Most PC gamers don't even care about RT much, including myself, but I like all the other RTX features too much to leave Nvidia for now. Thats why I hope AMD will be able to improve their inferior features.

People can ramble about VRAM all they want but rarely adds to longevity, because GPU is the limiting factor. Just look at 6700XT today. Or 3090 24GB. Any last gen cards with current gen memory amount is much dated, not because of VRAM but because GPU is weak.

Besides 95% of PC gamers use 1440p or less. Looking at 4K/UHD results don't matter for many and very few GPUs will do it without using upscaling in demanding games, 4090 is the only true 4K card if you ask me. 7900XTX and 4080 can do it to some degree but depends on game. For lesser demanding games, many GPUs last gen included, can do 4K just fine. I am talking about truly demanding games here.

lasNvidias drivers work very well and have all the settings I need. They are way more advanced than you think when you actually dig in.

I prefer the Nvidia CP over the gamey-look of AMD drivers for sure. Anti Lag+ got people Steam banned recently. Rushed out beta features that don't really work is mainly what AMD does. Also AMD Radeon drivers were bricking windows installs not that long ago, on several driver versions. AMDs drivers are absolutely not better than Nvidias and lacks day one and beta drivers most of the time.

If you leave the most popular PC games that gets benchmarked the most (for reviews) you will see that AMDs performance is very wonky. Nvidias driver team is way bigger and most developers knows that 80% of PC gamers are using Nvidia and often use Nvidia themselves. This is why Nvidia generally runs smoother and with less issues. There's a few games that runs better on AMD, not many tho.

12VHPWR is great and I have zero problems with it. Nvidia did not invent it. PCI-SIG did and part of ATX 3.x spec. It's here to stay, or 12V-2x6 which is 100% backwards compatible with 12VHPWR. AMD will use this connector for sure for Radeon 8000 series. The new connector with less cabling is far superior to having 3 or 4x 8 pins. Never going back to that.

I am not saying AMD GPUs are bad per se, they are just too expensive for what you get. Looking at raster performance only in 2024 is a no-go for me, and I am probably not alone considering how much Nvidia dominates.

This has to be the most narrative based argument I have read in a while. I will give you an analogy. When Ronaldo came back to Man United after 20 years he did an interview and complained that nothing had changed in terms of infrastructure. In 2021 I got a Gaming laptop for my Bday. It has a 3060 in it. When I went into the Nvidia software I felt the same way he did. You see I have not been on Nvidia since the GTS450 so you know that was a while ago.

The most popular PC Games. Do you think that my Steam Library is based on TPU Game reviews? I have been on Humble Choice since 2017 so I have games that are fun to play that you may never have heard of. Do you know how much fun Hell Let Loose is? Do you even know what Aria is? Have you even seen Spacebourne 2 or played Redout 2?

Nvidia invented their iteration of 12vHPWR don't blame SIG for their hubris. The new spec is a result of the SIG ATX 3.1 anyone.

People make it seem like raster is not the foundation of all of that Gaming. You should really look up the show the Computer Chronicles on Youtube and hear Tripp Hawkins talk about ray tracing in 1999. As much as Nvidia may dominate CP2077 in path tracing my 150+ FPS at 4K native does me plenty fine.

You seem to have a real thing for the 7900XT but I promise it is a good card. The price cannot be a negative when a 4090 costs more than an entire very well specced PC.

You hear this guys, 12VHPWR is great, you can actually love a connector these days.

Wow. Someone's been in too deep lately eh... These comments are getting hilarious...ly sad.

kapone32This has to be the most narrative based argument I have read in a while. I will give you an analogy. When Ronaldo came back to Man United after 20 years he did an interview and complained that nothing had changed in terms of infrastructure. In 2021 I got a Gaming laptop for my Bday. It has a 3060 in it. When I went into the Nvidia software I felt the same way he did. You see I have not been on Nvidia since the GTS450 so you know that was a while ago.

The most popular PC Games. Do you think that my Steam Library is based on TPU Game reviews? I have been on Humble Choice since 2017 so I have games that are fun to play that you may never have heard of. Do you know how much fun Hell Let Loose is? Do you even know what Aria is? Have you even seen Spacebourne 2 or played Redout 2?

Nvidia invented their iteration of 12vHPWR don't blame SIG for their hubris. The new spec is a result of the SIG ATX 3.1 anyone.

People make it seem like raster is not the foundation of all of that Gaming. You should really look up the show the Computer Chronicles on Youtube and hear Tripp Hawkins talk about ray tracing in 1999. As much as Nvidia may dominate CP2077 in path tracing my 150+ FPS at 4K native does me plenty fine.

You seem to have a real thing for the 7900XT but I promise it is a good card. The price cannot be a negative when a 4090 costs more than an entire very well specced PC.

Just stop feeding man, misery loves company