Friday, May 31st 2024

ASRock Innovates First AMD Radeon RX 7000 Graphics Card with 12V-2x6 Power Connector

ASRock is ready with the first Radeon RX gaming graphics card to feature a modern 12V-2x6 power connector, replacing the up to three 8-pin PCIe power connectors it took, to power a Radeon RX 7900 series graphics card. The ASRock RX 7900 series WS graphics cards are also the first 2-slot RX 7900 series graphics cards. They target workstations and GPU rendering farms that stack multiple graphics cards into 4U or 5U rackmount cases, with no spacing between 2-slot graphics cards. ASRock is designing cards based on both the RX 7900 XT, and the flagship RX 7900 XTX.

The ASRock RX 7900 series WS graphics cards appear long and no more than 2 slots thick. To achieve these dimensions, a lateral-flow cooling solution is used, which combines a dense aluminium or copper channel heatsink with a lateral blower. Remember we said these cards are meant for workstations or rendering farms? So the noise output will be deafening, at least up to datacenter standards. The most striking aspect of these cards of course is their 12+4 pin ATX 12V-2x6 power input, which is capable of drawing 600 W of continuous power from a single cable. It's located at the card's tail-end, where it would have been an engineering challenge to put three 8-pin connectors.
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#76
Vya Domus
R-T-BThe numbers on this hazzard
Which numbers.
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#77
R-T-B
Vya DomusWhich numbers.
I don't have them right on hand to link, but the actual warranty claim numbers on the connector were eye-openingly low.

Perhaps another user can fill my intellectual void here.
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#78
Vya Domus
R-T-Bthe actual warranty claim numbers on the connector were eye-openingly low.
I've never seen a per-fault global report about this but I doubt it would be in any way accurate. It doesn't matter though because I don't doubt this number is small but at the same time it was high enough that it gained attention.

Even if it's 0.001% it still sucks because it could have been avoided, stuff like this is enough to convince me this connector is still a problem cablemod.com/adapterrecall/.
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#79
Dr. Dro
AusWolfThe previous connector came as a result of graphics cards needing more power that power supplies couldn't push through the ATX connector and PCI-e slot. So you upgraded your GPU and your PSU.

This new connector came as a result of the 4090 needing more power than previous generations, even though most high-end PSUs can easily supply that, so no upgrade would be necessary if not for a darn cable.

If someone can tell me why a 4070 needs this connector with a logical explanation, I'll raise my hat.
The RTX 4090 was not the first card to bear the 12VHPWR connector, it was the RTX 3090 Ti, and all the FE 30 series had a 12-pin micro fit predecessor that's mechanically quite similar.

It's a matter of convenience: new power supplies are expected to have this cable going forward which means having this connector on your 4070 is a desirable thing. There's no downside to it.
Vya DomusIt's weird how some of you are cool with whatever these corporations are doing and are bewildered when you see someone complain about something that not only was unnecessary but turned out to be a genuine hazard.
2x6 has been revised. Here's Aris intentionally abusing it with 660W on a load tester with 55 amps of current while yanking and bending it.


This connector is safe. The rest is paranoia and FUD.
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#80
kapone32
Dr. DroThe RTX 4090 was not the first card to bear the 12VHPWR connector, it was the RTX 3090 Ti, and all the FE 30 series had a 12-pin micro fit predecessor that's mechanically quite similar.

It's a matter of convenience: new power supplies are expected to have this cable going forward which means having this connector on your 4070 is a desirable thing. There's no downside to it.



2x6 has been revised. Here's Aris intentionally abusing it with 660W on a load tester with 55 amps of current while yanking and bending it.


This connector is safe. The rest is paranoia and FUD.
Yep that is why it was revised on both the GPU and PSU ATX 3.1 anyone. Even with progress that was the fastest I have seen a revision on a spec. Even faster than Gigabyte releases 1.0 versions of their MBs. So I guess something must have caused it like thousands of videos showing exactly why.
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#81
Dr. Dro
kapone32Yep that is why it was revised on both the GPU and PSU ATX 3.1 anyone. Even with progress that was the fastest I have seen a revision on a spec. Even faster than Gigabyte releases 1.0 versions of their MBs. So I guess something must have caused it like thousands of videos showing exactly why.
The ATX version has nothing to do with it... and Aris clarified that under normal circumstances the GPU would not be getting any power. This is a load tester.
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#82
kapone32
Dr. DroThe ATX version has nothing to do with it... and Aris clarified that under normal circumstances the GPU would not be getting any power. This is a load tester.
LMAO you still refuse to see that there are no cards with the 2 times connectors so the problem was rectified on the PSU side with the new Spec. I guess you think everyone is sending in their 12VHWPR 12 pin connector updated to this for the 3090-4070+ cards.
kapone32LMAO you still refuse to see that there are no cards with the 2 times connectors so the problem was rectified on the PSU side with the new Spec. I guess you think everyone is sending in their 12VHWPR 12 pin connector updated to this for the 3090-4070+ cards.
Just for more proof of blower cards for non gaming here is a pic from one of the latest posts

www.techpowerup.com/img/BVSrETc9aSdWeXf0.jpg
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#83
Dr. Dro
kapone32LMAO you still refuse to see that there are no cards with the 2 times connectors so the problem was rectified on the PSU side with the new Spec. I guess you think everyone is sending in their 12VHWPR 12 pin connector updated to this for the 3090-4070+ cards.


Just for more proof of blower cards for non gaming here is a pic from one of the latest posts

www.techpowerup.com/img/BVSrETc9aSdWeXf0.jpg
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there are no changes to the cable and it never burned PSU-side. Watch the video I shared, Aris shows precisely the problematic part of the socket... you should be more willing to learn with people that have more knowledge than you, man!
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#84
Vya Domus
Dr. Dro2x6 has been revised.
We'll see about that once it becomes widely used. I am sure these things have been thoroughly tested in a lab before as well and everything was fne, when it's put into mass production it's a different story.
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#85
kapone32
Dr. Dro...

there are no changes to the cable and it never burned PSU-side. Watch the video I shared, Aris shows precisely the problematic part of the socket... you should be more willing to learn with people that have more knowledge than you, man!
Just because the new one works. All you are verifying is that this works but it says nothing about the current situation.
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#86
AusWolf
Dr. DroThe RTX 4090 was not the first card to bear the 12VHPWR connector, it was the RTX 3090 Ti, and all the FE 30 series had a 12-pin micro fit predecessor that's mechanically quite similar.

It's a matter of convenience: new power supplies are expected to have this cable going forward which means having this connector on your 4070 is a desirable thing. There's no downside to it.
I fail to see how having to change your power supply that works perfectly fine otherwise, or having to use an adapter is not a downside.
A Computer GuyIt may have to do with manufacturing economics. Perhaps cheaper to unify the production lines with the same power connector?
All GPUs used the same power connector before. Now, there are two types. It's the opposite of unification.
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#87
kapone32
Dr. Dro...

there are no changes to the cable and it never burned PSU-side. Watch the video I shared, Aris shows precisely the problematic part of the socket... you should be more willing to learn with people that have more knowledge than you, man!
Yes because PSUs have protections built into them to prevent that. They still had to change the spec (in their opinion) to allay the narrative. It does not matter what you say there are still plenty of videos showing that the connector is still an issue.
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#88
trsttte
Dr. DroShorter PCBs are now possible, which means more tightly integrated circuits resulting in more advanced GPUs. Easier for the user to wire. Higher reliability because there are less connectors, therefore less points of failure. Supports higher wattages. The fact that the original revision had some flaws won't discredit any of these points.
Copper is still copper, smaller PCBs and the smaller footprint of this connector, as well as thightly integrated circuits, makes it more difficult to dissipate heat. Where you're seeing less points of failure before you had two connectors and if one failed the sense pins could do their job and the gpu would drop power to keep running, now it's a single point of a failure with just one connector.

You can say it's within spec, everything else it's an opinion based on nothing but personal preferences.
R-T-BI don't have them right on hand to link, but the actual warranty claim numbers on the connector were eye-openingly low.

Perhaps another user can fill my intellectual void here.
True otherwise there would have been a massive recall and the entire thing dropped (no one at pcisig or nvidia is as passionate about this as people on forums, if it was hurting their wallets it would be changed), but that there were 2 or 3 revisions in so little time tells that it's still pretty high and shouldn't have been released when it was.
Dr. Dro2x6 has been revised. Here's Aris intentionally abusing it with 660W on a load tester with 55 amps of current while yanking and bending it.

12V-2×6 Connector First Test - 660W & NOT Fully into the Socket!
This connector is safe. The rest is paranoia and FUD.
That's an interesting video but as someone else said, it doesn't say much about how the connector will behave when it gets mass produced, shipped, installed in boards, shipped again and then handled by idiot users. Even on it's own it doesn't tell much, yes 45ºC is nothing, but what about when that thing is put in a basement at 40ºC instead of the ~20º inside the lab and turned on for months? And that doesn't even account for the gpu heat, how will the plastics handle that long term.

Can we blame the connector for that? Yes, yes we can, that's why safety margins, long term reliability and stress tests exist.
AusWolfI fail to see how having to change your power supply that works perfectly fine otherwise, or having to use an adapter is not a downside.
You don't have to change your power supply, the connector is compatible with previous 8pin power supplies, just need to wire the sense pins to the correct places which bargain bin adapters will likely fail to do but reputable PSU manufacturers won't.
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#89
Gucky
Dr. DroAll I needed was an $25 cable to get my EVGA 1300 G2 ready. But buying a cable doesn't stroke anyone's ego or "pride in being an AMD customer".

What a trainwreck of a thread. Here's where you see where people's loyalties lie, to a brand or the trade.
Hey I did the same. I have a 750W SFX PSU from Corsair. My 4090 works even with 600W on that small PSU, not that I use it daily without power limit. Just some testing.

Oh and I bent it 90° very close to the connector, since I have a small case.
I did it the right way and placed the cable in a way so won't be pulled by its own weight.
I use that adapter for over a year now without problems.
TomorrowPSU's released in 2023 - out of 370, 91 still included the Floppy connector.
You can say its name: Molex. It is still used today.
TomorrowEven Nvidia cards (AIB included) released in 2024 - out of 196, 142 used this new connector. So even Nvidia is not fully committed or mandated this for all their cards.
Well all cards below 216W use one 8-pin, cards above that would need at least 2x8-pins, use the 16-pin instead. It does make sense since it is the least amount of cables.
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#90
AusWolf
GuckyYou can say its name: Molex. It is still used today.
Floppy is not Molex. It's the Berg connector if you want to use the proper terminology.
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#91
Gucky
AusWolfFloppy is not Molex. It's the Berg connector if you want to use the proper terminology.
That thing? I haven't seen that in a while. :D I confused it with Molex.
That said the last floppy dive I installed was approx 20-25 years ago...
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#92
A Computer Guy
AusWolfFloppy is not Molex. It's the Berg connector if you want to use the proper terminology.
LOL when I first read it I thought BORG connector. Resistance is futile!
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#93
Gucky
A Computer GuyResistance is futile!
It is not futile, it is voltage divided by current!!!
Live long and prosper.
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#94
trsttte
GuckyIt is not futile, it is voltage divided by current!!!
Live long and prosper.
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