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AMD Zen 5 Storms into Gaming Desktops with Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" Processors

AMD today announced its much awaited Ryzen 9000 series desktop processors. Built in the Socket AM5 package, and drop-in compatible with all current AM5 motherboards with a BIOS update, the processors are based on the new "Zen 5" CPU microarchitecture. The operational part of the processor, the CPU complex dies (CCDs), are built on the 4 nm process, wired to a 6 nm I/O die. AMD didn't get down into the nuts and bolts of the microarchitecture, but briefly mentioned an impressive 16% IPC increase over "Zen 4." Coupled with the fact that the first wave of processors lack 3D V-cache and can sustain higher boost frequencies and TDP, processors in the series should beat the Ryzen 7 7800X3D in gaming performance, which also means that AMD has beaten the 14th Gen Core "Raptor Lake Refresh" processor series by a significant margin.

The 16% IPC increase over "Zen 4" is backed by branch prediction improvements, wider pipelines and vectors, and deeper window sizes across the core design, for more parallelism. The core also features doubling in instruction bandwidth for front-end instructions, FPU to L1, and L1 to L2 data bandwidth, and a redesigned FPU to double AI performance and AVX512 throughput. The company hasn't put out a block design for "Zen 5," and we'll learn more about it in the run-up to the market availability of these chips some time in July 2024.
The "Granite Ridge" processor features a chiplet-based design, just like the Ryzen 7000 "Raphael," Ryzen 5000 "Vermeer," and Ryzen 3000 "Matisse." CPU core counts range from 6-core/12-thread to 16-core/32-thread. The cores are located in CPU complex dies (CCDs). The 6-core and 8-core models feature a single CCD design, while the 12-core and 16-core ones come with a dual-CCD design. Each CCD contains a single CCX (CPU core complex) with 8 "Zen 5" CPU cores. Each core has 1 MB of dedicated L2 cache, and the eight cores share a 32 MB of L3 cache.

The client I/O die (cIOD) appears unchanged from the previous generation. It's built on the 6 nm process, packs a basic iGPU based on the RDNA 2 architecture with 2 compute units; a dual-channel DDR5 memory controller, and a 28-lane PCI-Express Gen 5 root complex.
AMD has planned four processor models for the first wave of Ryzen 9000 series desktop processors. These are led by the Ryzen 9 9950X, a 16-core/32-thread chip with a maximum boost frequency of 5.70 GHz, and a TDP of 170 W. This is followed by the Ryzen 9 9900X, a 12-core/24-thread part that boosts up to 5.60 GHz, with an interesting TDP number of 120 W. If you recall, its predecessor, the Ryzen 9 7900X, had the same 170 W TDP as the 16-core 7950X. So the TDP has generationally lowered.

The Ryzen 7 9700X is the 8-core/16-thread part from the series, with a maximum boost frequency of 5.50 GHz, and an impressive 65 W TDP. The most affordable part from the series will be the Ryzen 5 9600X. This 6-core/12-thread chip boosts up to 5.40 GHz, and has 65 W TDP.

If you're wondering whether the maximum boost frequencies and TDP have gone down generationally, it's because AMD has switched over to the slightly more efficient 4 nm foundry node for the CCDs, besides the "Zen 5" microarchitecture providing the 16% IPC gain.
AMD only put out performance numbers for the top Ryzen 9 9950X processor, which it compared with the Intel Core i9-14900K. In productivity and content creation workloads, the company is claiming performance leadership ranging anywhere between +7% in the UL Procyon benchmark, to +56% in Blender. The real story, though, is gaming performance, where the 9950X beats the i9-14900K by anywhere between +4% to +23%. Mistral LLM is shown running 20% faster on the 9950X compared to the i9-14900K.

The company didn't talk about pricing, we'll learn more about it as we near the July 2024 launch.
AMD is launching the AMD X870E and X870 desktop chipsets with these processors, heralding a new wave of Socket AM5 motherboards, which we'll see at Computex. These two chipsets standardize USB4 connectivity on all motherboards, as well as PCI-Express 5.0 x16 on all boards, even for the X870. The two chipsets also enable higher AMD EXPO memory frequencies. Again, the processors are perfectly compatible with AMD 600-series chipset motherboards with a BIOS update, and older Ryzen 7000 and Ryzen 8000 series processors should work on AMD 800-series chipset motherboards. AMD is promising longevity for AM5 going beyond even 2027.
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100 Comments on AMD Zen 5 Storms into Gaming Desktops with Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" Processors

#76
marduk_0
What is the expected price for a 9900X, an average X870 MB, and an average 16GB DDR5 RAM?
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#77
atomsymbol
marduk_0What is the expected price for a 9900X, an average X870 MB, and an average 16GB DDR5 RAM?
Combining high-end AM5 CPU and high-end AM5 motherboard with low-end RAM capacity is illogical. 32GB RAM is mid-range, 64GB+ RAM is high-end.
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#78
Chry
Very happy with my 7600X and will probably instantly upgrade to 9700X.
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#79
Ayhamb99
marduk_0What is the expected price for a 9900X, an average X870 MB, and an average 16GB DDR5 RAM?
Motherboards with new chipsets usually come out first with Outrageously high prices, that was one of the biggest issues at first with the Ryzen 7000 release, at launch motherboard prices were insane. I would expect the same thing to happen with X870 and B850.

If you're looking forward to getting a 9900X, try grabbing a B650E or X670 board on sale as stock clears out.
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#80
rv8000
Ayhamb99Motherboards with new chipsets usually come out first with Outrageously high prices, that was one of the biggest issues at first with the Ryzen 7000 release, at launch motherboard prices were insane. I would expect the same thing to happen with X870 and B850.

If you're looking forward to getting a 9900X, try grabbing a B650E or X670 board on sale as stock clears out.
If better memory frequency support is related to improved trace design (most likely + improvements on cpu silicon), that + USB4 and any additional benefits to I/O are going to make buying b/x600 a bad idea imo. If budget is really that much of an issue buying a 9900x isnt in the cards.

There will likely be some similar priced X870 boards vs what we have now (270-300$). Not great pricing, but thats the (gouge)reality.
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#81
AusWolf
Ayhamb99Motherboards with new chipsets usually come out first with Outrageously high prices, that was one of the biggest issues at first with the Ryzen 7000 release, at launch motherboard prices were insane. I would expect the same thing to happen with X870 and B850.

If you're looking forward to getting a 9900X, try grabbing a B650E or X670 board on sale as stock clears out.
The 800 series is exactly the same as the 600 series except for USB 4 support, and maybe better traces. I wouldn't expect too much of a price difference. But then, some gouge tax may apply, so we'll know when they're out, I guess.
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#82
Ayhamb99
rv8000If better memory frequency support is related to improved trace design (most likely + improvements on cpu silicon), that + USB4 and any additional benefits to I/O are going to make buying b/x600 a bad idea imo. If budget is really that much of an issue buying a 9900x isnt in the cards.

There will likely be some similar priced X870 boards vs what we have now (270-300$). Not great pricing, but thats the (gouge)reality.
AusWolfThe 800 series is exactly the same as the 600 series except for USB 4 support, and maybe better traces. I wouldn't expect too much of a price difference. But then, some gouge tax may apply, so we'll know when they're out, I guess.
I certainly remember X670 boards being outrageously overpriced, like $400-450, when they came out, i seriously doubt that the new boards are gonna come out with similarly prices to now. That's how new gen motherboard launches usually are from what I've seen in the previous gens, whether it is Intel or AMD. They always start with outrageous prices before they come down to reality.
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#83
hsew
I’m just glad they took a more conservative approach to TDP. Here’s to hoping that translates to new efficiency highs!
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#84
KaitouX
hsewI’m just glad they took a more conservative approach to TDP. Here’s to hoping that translates to new efficiency highs!
Same.
They did what it should've been already done with Zen4, the 7900X has probably the most stupid power limit possible, with the CPU pretty much just wasting power for almost no reason, getting mostly less than 3% performance increase when going from 142W to 230W. 142W for the 7900X and 88W for the 7700X/7600X should have been the default.
Hopefully Intel does the same, something like 135W for the 13600K/14600K and 180W/200W for the 13700K/14700K would have been better, I doubt it will happen, but it would be nice if Arrow lake would come with lower power limits.
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#85
Grigor
regsIPC slide actually showing FPS
I only look at 3 game, MSFS 2020, DCS, and StarCitizen
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#86
marduk_0
Ayhamb99Motherboards with new chipsets usually come out first with Outrageously high prices, that was one of the biggest issues at first with the Ryzen 7000 release, at launch motherboard prices were insane. I would expect the same thing to happen with X870 and B850.

If you're looking forward to getting a 9900X, try grabbing a B650E or X670 board on sale as stock clears out.
Oh I totally forgot about the "B" boards.
I currently have a B550 with a 5600X.
For gaming, I believe the "B" boards are more than enough. So, it will be either the B850 or B870. Will these have USB4?
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#87
rv8000
marduk_0Oh I totally forgot about the "B" boards.
I currently have a B550 with a 5600X.
For gaming, I believe the "B" boards are more than enough. So, it will be either the B850 or B870. Will these have USB4?
Only X870E/870 will have usb4. The naming/chipset scheme is changing going into the 800 series. B850 and B840 will lack usb4, and B840 will not provide CPU overclocking.
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#88
Dimitriman
Ayhamb99Motherboards with new chipsets usually come out first with Outrageously high prices, that was one of the biggest issues at first with the Ryzen 7000 release, at launch motherboard prices were insane. I would expect the same thing to happen with X870 and B850.

If you're looking forward to getting a 9900X, try grabbing a B650E or X670 board on sale as stock clears out.
It is because of the existence of the 600 seried boards that I believe there will not be price gouging this time.
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#89
SL2
Ayhamb99If you're looking forward to getting a 9900X, try grabbing a B650E or X670 board on sale as stock clears out.
I wouldn't bet on that. Plenty of B450 still, 4 years after B550 came.
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#90
RootinTootinPootin
oxrufiioxoThat's why you always wait for reviews it's never been a good idea to take marketing slides as gospel amd actually use to be somewhat accurate but after RDNA3 I take anything they put out with a huge grain of salt.
you sir are on point!! day 1 releases are for just the fanbois IMHO..

RDNA3? they just spilled it out.. :roll:
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#91
marduk_0
rv8000Only X870E/870 will have usb4. The naming/chipset scheme is changing going into the 800 series. B850 and B840 will lack usb4, and B840 will not provide CPU overclocking.
Ah OK thanks.
I believe my Noctua NH-12S with the AM4 mounting kit would fit on the X870. Would that be enough cooling for the 9900X though?
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#92
rv8000
marduk_0Ah OK thanks.
I believe my Noctua NH-12S with the AM4 mounting kit would fit on the X870. Would that be enough cooling for the 9900X though?
Adequate yes, optimal who knows. No crystal balls available atm, with the reduced TDP on the 12 core for the 9000 series, will likely be easier to cool than its predecessor.
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#93
phints
Ryzen 9700X with a lowered TDP to 65W sounds awesome, hoping benchmarks look good, and boot times improve from Zen 4 issues. This will be in my next build if so.
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#94
The Shield
Come on AMD, we need the X3D versions, stop these annoying marketing practices of keeping things secret.
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#95
Caring1
ChomiqWaiting for AM6 so they can get rid of the stupid IHS design.
Delid it, then you don't have to worry about it. ;)
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#97
JohH
ARFThat's why Ryzen 9000 will be a skip option to me. Better wait 3nm or 2nm, which are already used for years by Apple.
Apple's first N3 chip (A17 'Pro') only launched 9 months ago. Not years ago.
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#98
ARF
JohHApple's first N3 chip (A17 'Pro') only launched 9 months ago. Not years ago.
TSMC's N3 has been in risk production since 2021, and in serial production since 2022.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_nm_process


TSMC Kicks Off 3nm Production: A Long Node to Power Leading Chips
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By Anton Shilov published December 29, 2022
TSMC's 3nm production is behind Samsung, but ahead of Intel.
www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-kicks-off-3nm-production


www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/logic/l_3nm
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#99
JohH
ARFTSMC's N3 has been in risk production since 2021, and in serial production since 2022.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_nm_process


TSMC Kicks Off 3nm Production: A Long Node to Power Leading Chips
News
By Anton Shilov published December 29, 2022
TSMC's 3nm production is behind Samsung, but ahead of Intel.
www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-kicks-off-3nm-production


www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/logic/l_3nm
And Intel's 18A is in risk production now.
No one cares until a product launches. Saying N3 and N2 "are already used for years by Apple" is wrong and exaggerated. OR by the same metric Intel has been using 18A for months already.
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#100
Totally
evernessinceThe 7700 is a 65W TDP CPU that's barely slower than the 7700X.

That the 9700X is 65W just means that AMD decided it wasn't worth it to squeeze an extra 1-2% performance.
OR hear me out, OR more plausibly the 7700X was already barely a 65W chip and the advancements from 7k to 9k pushed the 9700X well under the 65? Wouldn't you think that wouldn't make more sense than AMD just being lazy?
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