Friday, June 14th 2024

Intel Isolates Root Cause of Raptor Lake Stability Issues to a Faulty eTVB Microcode Algorithm

Intel has identified the root cause for stability issues being observed with certain high-end 13th- and 14th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" processor models, which were causing games and other compute-intensive applications to randomly crash. When the issues were first identified, Intel recommended a workaround that would reduce core-voltages and restrict the boost headroom of these processors, which would end up with reduced performance. The company has apparently discovered the root cause of the problem, as Igor's Lab learned from confidential documents.

The documents say that Intel isolated the problem to a faulty value in the microcode's end of the eTVB (enhanced thermal velocity boost) algorithm. "Root cause is an incorrect value in a microcode algorithm associated with the eTVB feature. Implication Increased frequency and corresponding voltage at high temperature may reduce processor reliability. Observed Found internally," the document says, mentioning "Raptor Lake-S" (13th Gen) and "Raptor Lake Refresh-S" (14th Gen) as the affected products.
The company goes on to elaborate on the issue in its Failure Analysis (FA) document:
Failure Analysis (FA) of 13th and 14th Generation K SKU processors indicates a shift in minimum operating voltage on affected processors resulting from cumulative exposure to elevated core voltages. Intel analysis has determined a confirmed contributing factor for this issue is elevated voltage input to the processor due to previous BIOS settings which allow the processor to operate at turbo frequencies and voltages even while the processor is at a high temperature. Previous generations of Intel K SKU processors were less sensitive to these type of settings due to lower default operating voltage and frequency.
Identifying the root cause of the problem isn't the only good news, Intel also has a new microcode ready for 13th Gen and 14th Gen Core processors (version: 0x125), for motherboard manufacturers and PC OEMs to encapsulate into UEFI firmware updates. This new microcode corrects the issue, which should restore stability of these processors at their normal performance. Be on the lookout for UEFI firmware (BIOS) updates from your motherboard vendor or prebuilt OEM.
Source: Igor's Lab
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107 Comments on Intel Isolates Root Cause of Raptor Lake Stability Issues to a Faulty eTVB Microcode Algorithm

#101
InVasMani
trparkyMaybe they're just trying to sweep it under the rug until the next generation of chips come out. Admitting fault would be devastating to their stock price and we all know that they can't have that. Right?
I hate to say it, but I wouldn't doubt that at all. It seems probable enough. I wish these issues would've been talked about in the reviews, but I don't think I saw mention of it in either generation reviews to do with Raptor Lake and refresh, but seems like a bit of a degradation issue that flew under the radar a bit and more pronounced probably with the refresh pushing things steps further.
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#102
SL2
InVasManiOne of the things I've speculated is maybe the socket bending issues is part of the problem.
I dunno, shouldn't that affect the 12900K as well?
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#103
InVasMani
SL2I dunno, shouldn't that affect the 12900K as well?
Didn't they thin the substrate more though between Alder Lake and Raptor Lake!? You don't want more flex/sag over time. Eventually that can create problems with heat cycling.
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#104
SL2
InVasManiDidn't they thin the substrate more though between Alder Lake and Raptor Lake!? You don't want more flex/sag over time. Eventually that can create problems with heat cycling.
It seems like they did.

Alder:
Substrate Z = 1.119+/-0.095 mm
2.005±0.114 (BOTTOM OF BGA TO TOP OF DIE)


Raptor:
Substrate Z = 1.116+/-0.095 mm
Die Z is 0.37 mm
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#106
InVasMani
Intel is really dragging their heels on this issue.
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#107
SL2
Adding lower power settings made sense tho, as it will make Arrow lake look better at launch lol
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