Noyand

Now, that is what SFF truly means! :)

nguyenLOL, plenty of shit posts from people who think SFF are meant for fun but not really being useful as a gaming PC

Who wouldn't like a no compromise SFF like this

Why compromise? I am 256% sure, that if he'd get e.g. $100 Lancool 216, it not only would not impact the case footprint, but would significantly improve the performance.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against SFF as a whole. And I'm not against this guy (Optimum) in particular, as he has many good ideas and endeavors. But here he did the same moot point, as many famous "techtubers" (and many SFF folks, who like to shw off their rig on reddit or PCPartpicker). They all have portay issue- they show giant desks, so big, that they can accommodate server chassis, and the 48@ inch monitor/TV with ease. And then put a tiny box, tha barely take any space.

So what's point? Where are the space constrains? The problem is, people want SFF not due to these issues, but for the "clean" look. It's not about size, it's about Apple/luxury aesthetics fever. People want posh clean desks, with no wires and gadgets to be seen in there.

AusWolfNo one said that SFF cases that can hold full-sized graphics cards didn't exist, or that they weren't awesome. But those graphics cards aren't SFF by any means. Let's not confuse the two.


This. Also, they're calling us stupid by pointing at their 4-slot 2 kg monsters and saying "it's not big, it's normal because 2-slot is SFF now because we said so". Redefining reality and forcing everybody to accept it based only on sheer market presence is the most arrogant way to do business.

Exactly. It's not a problem to fit even four slot AIB 4090. After all, this is a problem of SFF, as it will eventually grow, in order to fit the bigger video cards.

But people miss the point. What if other someone wants to make really compact PC, with really cool and effecient VGA, with small heat envelope, but performance bigger than iGPU. As much as populate the rest of PCIE slots with the expansion cards of need. The problem is, this whole concept have become obsolete. Just beacuse, there are none cards, that have a small dimensions.

Not because the couldn't, but because there's none. The carts like RTX 4060, RTX4070, and RX 7600/7700 XT, could have two slot design, with no issue whatsoever, but there's none. Instead, the GPU makers, and the AIB partners, pushing their clocks and voltages to abysmal values, in order to increase the price and margins.
Heck, the HD 6870 had TBP ~150W, the RX 7600 is about the same, and 4060 is even 40W less. And 6870 had only small two slot cooler, regardless of AIBm and had no problem of coolint this card below 70-80°C. Correct me if I'm wrong.

AusWolfNow, that is what SFF truly means! :)

Indeed. The companies can, when they want.

I've had an RTX 4070 FE for over year and out of all the cards I've seen since it's the only one I'd think would be "SFF Ready". It's exactly 2-slots and has 2 fans (244 x 112 x 40 mm) which looks sleek and compact compared to all these new monstrosities.

NoyandHa yes, the single slot card that reached 43dB on a 125w 9800 GT. wich is the TDP of the lower tier this generation. Galax tried that with a 4060 Ti, it's reaching 53db.
Galaxy GeForce 9800 GT 1024MB review | test (Page 4) (guru3d.com)
Galax's single-slot RTX 4060 Ti is out in the wild, though sadly it appears to be a little tempestuous | PC Gamer

I still think that you are reading into the whole SFF-ready thing too much, and according it too much influence when it's mostly a low effort compatibility list that doesn't even make sense when you look at it closely:

Have you checked the cases that are listed as being "SFF-ready?" the Prime AP201 is among them. It's pictured below. Yep, that's right, that case can fit a strix 4090. That thing can fit about any GPU in the market. It being listed is meaningless, that whole SFF-ready thing isn't going to to be as influential as you imagine, they aren't serious about it themselves. Even the listed cases spec are suspicious.

53dB???!! Le Gasp! That's approaching normal conversation at 1m (60dB), and might be louder than the set volume of the game being played that is causing it to run at full load. You're too focused on the case side of things when they have f-all to do with the angle Nvidia is playing, really just an afterthought on their part and they aren't redefining SFF or labeling certain cases SFF-Ready, they're saying the cards that are SFF Ready cards should fit in those cases that it. To reiterate again nvidia is trying to make up this category of cards and stuff every thing that isn't a monster 3/4-slotter in that bin. Imagine this hypothetical you have an itx mid-Tower, the allowance GPU length doesn't matter, there is plenty, but height GPU is maxed at 2.5 slots. You pick up a 5080 FE but that chonker doesn't fit because it's the new standard height @3.5slots. Naturally you go to RMA/Refund to get something but get denied(bc Asus) and hit with a restocking fee cititing due diligence that you should have bought a SFF card.

Totally53dB???!! Le Gasp! That's approaching normal conversation at 1m (60dB), and might be louder than the set volume of the game being played that is causing it to run at full load. You're too focused on the case side of things when they have f-all to do with the angle Nvidia is playing, really just an afterthought on their part and they aren't redefining SFF or labeling certain cases SFF-Ready, they're saying the cards that are SFF Ready cards should fit in those cases that it. To reiterate again nvidia is trying to make up this category of cards and stuff every thing that isn't a monster 3/4-slotter in that bin. Imagine this hypothetical you have an itx mid-Tower, the allowance GPU length doesn't matter, there is plenty, but height GPU is maxed at 2.5 slots. You pick up a 5080 FE but that chonker doesn't fit because it's the new standard height @3.5slots. Naturally you go to RMA/Refund to get something but get denied(bc Asus) and hit with a restocking fee cititing due diligence that you should have bought a SFF card.

1.That's what I've explaining the whole time though... but you cannot talk about the SFF-ready GPUs in a vacuum, and that's why I keep saying that people are grossly overreacting to something that is probably going to die even faster than the Nvidia Battlebox, Because they aren't that serious about it.

2. Cases are absolutely getting the SFF-ready label. Without this the whole thing cannot work, there are still some SFF cases that can't fit SFF-ready GPUs. :D





All I'm seeing is a low-effort marketing stunt to have a bigger brand presence, because when shopping for a case, you'll see the name of Nvidia. Rather than a conspiracy to fuck over the consumer. Maybe things are different in the US, but in Europe, refusing to refund a product in the return window is breaking the law, unless said product shows traces of heavy degradation that can impact it's useability.

Random_UserWhy compromise? I am 256% sure, that if he'd get e.g. $100 Lancool 216, it not only would not impact the case footprint, but would significantly improve the performance.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against SFF as a whole. And I'm not against this guy (Optimum) in particular, as he has many good ideas and endeavors. But here he did the same moot point, as many famous "techtubers" (and many SFF folks, who like to shw off their rig on reddit or PCPartpicker). They all have portay issue- they show giant desks, so big, that they can accommodate server chassis, and the 48@ inch monitor/TV with ease. And then put a tiny box, tha barely take any space.

So what's point? Where are the space constrains? The problem is, people want SFF not due to these issues, but for the "clean" look. It's not about size, it's about Apple/luxury aesthetics fever. People want posh clean desks, with no wires and gadgets to be seen in there.

Big cases that you are not gonna fully utilize is a big compromise in itself. The Lancool 216 weight 10.5kg by itself, which is heavier than a complete SFF build with top tier components.

Also bigger cases are not going to improve thermal nor performance, the airflow from fans will have to move a longer distance to reach the hot components, for example the Corsair 4000D give better GPU thermal than the Corsair 5000D


I built a PC with Asus AP201 for a friend recently (13900K + 4080), temperatures are impeccable


I have a giant desk myself but my Corsair 5000D build is a waste of space and heavy as hell :rolleyes:. I'm thinking of building an SFF with 9900X3D + 5090 for next gen

"SFF" LOL they don't know what is "SFF" this thing is HUGE

ChaitanyaThis whole "SFF-Ready" is a joke.

Right? The claim made by ASUS is utter nonsense and BS.

@ ASUS
SFF=Small Form Factor=single slot, half height card designs. What the hell is the complete moose-muffins of your claim here?

tabascosauzWhat I did I say when Nvidia announced this "standard"?? This is EXACTLY the type of shit that will happen.

And you were right. NVidia does not get to redifine what Smal-Form-Factor means.

@ NVidia
WTAF are you people smoking? I mean Seriously? What drugs are you nitwits on?

These sizes would fit better inside my case (Fractal Define R6), but does anyone know how these Prime cards fare, compared to the normal ones?

The specs seem similar to the TUF (theoretical perf is slightly lower):
www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-prime-rtx-4070-super-oc.b11847

Also, I wonder about noise and cooling.

phaoloThese sizes would fit better inside my case (Fractal Define R6), but does anyone know how these Prime cards fare, compared to the normal ones?

The specs seem similar to the TUF (theoretical perf is slightly lower):
www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-prime-rtx-4070-super-oc.b11847

Also, I wonder about noise and cooling.

Noise and cooling are factors yes, but I'm inclined to say they are almost always "fine"/acceptable

When ITX GPU?

In the linked reddit thread, only a handful of cards have any cooling/noise problems, despite being close to the smallest offered


I have the/a single fan 2 slot Gigabyte 1080, it's not really loud/warm. Maybe if I wanted to OC it or run Furmark on it sure.

And even if it is, any of

make the card like 10% larger (still under 200mm, this one is 170 lol), (there are variations/hypotheticals listed in the reddit thread)
power limit,
undervolt, (this one esp.)
play with vsync/frame cap and minorly lower settings (kind of the same as power limiting but inverse)

will fix it

It's like a 7yo card and OEMs couldn't simply reuse designs for a 4070/S. Or kinda Zotac with the 1080Ti Mini and a 4070Ti/S. Forget getting something better after 7 years.


(There are 2 4070Ti S models from Inno3D and Gigabyte that are "good" in terms of size "efficiency", now hopefully they do the same next year with RTX 5xxx and Nvidia has half reasonable pricing/memory)

YashyyykNoise and cooling are factors yes, but I'm inclined to say they are almost always "fine"/acceptable

When ITX GPU?

In the linked reddit thread, only a handful of cards have any cooling/noise problems, despite being close to the smallest offered
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Thanks. I hope you're right, because in the end I decided to buy one.
It's like 5 years that I was waiting for price drops and they never happened.
When I saw 670€ whilst the others have been 800-1000€, I rushed to get it..
(still 200€ more than I paid my current old GTX 1070 tho)