Come on, in my opinion are real SSF cards, small cards with a single large fan or low profile cards. Not these huge chungus gpus with 3 fans and 3 slot coolers.

Like these RTX 4060 low profile i have is in my opinion real SSF card or this palit gtx 1660 super storm X card.




For a size comparison here is a RTX A2000 that has the real low profile size against a Asus RTX 4090 tuf and EVGA RTX 3080 FTW 3 ULTRA cards. All former gpu´s i´ve had before selling or RMA them.





My point is: how in the sains name can you call a rtx 4070 super with triple slot cooler and 3 fans a SSF card. Can some one please exsplain that to me. Yes there are SFF cases that can hold fairly large GPU. But calling the gpu them self SSF size. That has to be joke.

TomgangCome on, in my opinion are real SSF cards, small cards with a single large fan or low profile cards. Not these huge chungus gpus with 3 fans and 3 slot coolers.

Like these RTX 4060 low profile i have is in my opinion real SSF card or this palit gtx 1660 super storm X card.




For a size comparison here is a RTX A2000 that has the real low profile size against a Asus RTX 4090 tuf and EVGA RTX 3080 FTW 3 ULTRA cards. All former gpu´s i´ve had before selling or RMA them.





My point is: how in the sains name can you call a rtx 4070 super with triple slot cooler and 3 fans a SSF card. Can some one please exsplain that to me. Yes there are SFF cases that can hold fairly large GPU. But calling the gpu them self SSF size. That has to be joke.

If that low profile 4060 was available anywhere near me, I'd find it hard to resist the temptation to get one. :oops:

AusWolfIf that low profile 4060 was available anywhere near me, I'd find it hard to resist the temptation to get one. :oops:

If you find one. The Asus card is defently the best of these these pair of cards.

Don´t you have online stores that can ship a gpu to your adress, that´s how i got these i have?

TomgangIf you find one. The Asus card is defently the best of these these pair of cards.

Don´t you have online stores that can ship a gpu to your adress, that´s how i got these i have?

I do, but none of them seem to have either the Asus or the Gigabyte card. Only Amazon has them, but shipping from the US for a ridiculous 330 GBP. :(

AusWolfI do, but none of them seem to have either the Asus or the Gigabyte card. Only Amazon has them, but shipping from the US for a ridiculous 330 GBP. :(

I don´t live in the UK, but i could find stores that have the asus card in stock. Now i don´t know these stores are good or you should stay away from them.

This is more to show they are in stock in at least some stores.

www.awd-it.co.uk/asus-geforce-rtx-4060-lp-brk-oc-edition-8gb-gddr6-graphics-card-rtx4060-o8g-lp-brk.html
inside-tech.co.uk/product/asus-rtx4060-lp-brk-oc-pcie4-8gb-ddr6-2-hdmi-2-dp-2520mhz-clock-overclocked-low-profile-bracket-included/
acttron.com/asus-rtx4060-o8g-lp-brk-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-8-gb-gddr6-90yv0jl0-m0na00

TomgangI don´t live in the UK, but i could find stores that have the asus card in stock. Now i don´t know these stores are good or you should stay away from them.

This is more to show they are in stock in at least some stores.

www.awd-it.co.uk/asus-geforce-rtx-4060-lp-brk-oc-edition-8gb-gddr6-graphics-card-rtx4060-o8g-lp-brk.html
inside-tech.co.uk/product/asus-rtx4060-lp-brk-oc-pcie4-8gb-ddr6-2-hdmi-2-dp-2520mhz-clock-overclocked-low-profile-bracket-included/
acttron.com/asus-rtx4060-o8g-lp-brk-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-8-gb-gddr6-90yv0jl0-m0na00

They are not the biggest, or my first choice, but I've heard of Awd-it before. The cards are even more expensive here, though, so I guess even US shipping from Amazon is better.

Not that I have spare 300 cash right now anyway, so maybe one day. Fingers crossed for price drops. :oops:

Edit: I've just found it on the UK Asus store for 320. Hm... :rolleyes:

AusWolfThey are not the biggest, or my first choice, but I've heard of Awd-it before. The cards are even more expensive here, though, so I guess even US shipping from Amazon is better.

Not that I have spare 300 cash right now anyway, so maybe one day. Fingers crossed for price drops. :oops:

Edit: I've just found it on the UK Asus store for 320. Hm... :rolleyes:

Well if it is on Asus stores.

Heres some peptalk...

TomgangWell if it is on Asus stores.

Heres some peptalk...

I'm convinced, but my wallet has a few words to say first. :laugh: :(

AusWolfI'm convinced, but my wallet has a few words to say first. :laugh: :(

oh you are one of these guys...:p

so the big cahuna 3 fans 3 slot card is a SFF ready now....GTFO

poor color standards

NoyandSome of the duals are 1cm taller than those prime, that's a lot, there are a few cases that are using a reference layout that cannot accommodate them once you include the cable. A lot of modern SFF case are narrow, but long, so length is less of an issue than height

That's true, except they make up for it by having more recessed power connectors that sit on a pronounced cutout in the PCB. The lower Duals have 8 pins, so that's further clearance. The 4070 Ti Super Dual has a 12VHPWR, but none of the Primes have as much of a cutout as Dual. If the clearance is so tight that the extra 10mm or so is a make-or-break affair, then it also makes the 12VHPWR Primes less than a safe choice.

And that's just an example. As I said, FE should be the benchmark here in terms of width, if card maker wants to use 12VHPWR, and there's no contest there.

nguyenWhy is shorter better though? SFF cases can fit 270-300mm long GPUs just fine. IMO SFF build look better with longer GPU that fill the length of the case.
This guy has the same idea LOL


Furthermore you can fine tune the fan speed for a quieter gaming experience, especially when the SFF build sit right next to you.

We both know it's not that dramatic, we're not comparing to single fan cards. Length is not the only dimension in which TUF and Master are obscenely sized. And you can undervolt and tune fan speed on any card, so your point? Dual is 265-270mm. Small Ada FE is slightly shorter, but nowhere near the sub-200mm single fan cards.

And it comes back to the simple question - why are the larger cards relevant at all? The SFF spec doesn't mean they can't exist, plenty of people prefer larger cards. But you're suggesting that just because they exist, means we cannot have smaller cards, and cards under the SFF Ready spec must strive to imitate gargantuan 300mm+ cards...?

Tomgangoh you are one of these guys...:p

Due to some unplanned expenses recently, I am actually. :oops:

AusWolfDue to some unplanned expenses recently, I am actually. :oops:

I know that to well. Just a few monfh ago, my car desided it was time to trash the transmision. That was not cheap to fix:fear:

tabascosauzWe both know it's not that dramatic, we're not comparing to single fan cards. Length is not the only dimension in which TUF and Master are obscenely sized. And you can undervolt and tune fan speed on any card, so your point? Dual is 265-270mm. Small Ada FE is slightly shorter, but nowhere near the sub-200mm single fan cards.

And it comes back to the simple question - why are the larger cards relevant at all? The SFF spec doesn't mean they can't exist, plenty of people prefer larger cards. But you're suggesting that just because they exist, means we cannot have smaller cards, and cards under the SFF Ready spec must strive to imitate gargantuan 300mm+ cards...?

LOL you live in Canada where it's cold most of the time anyways, you fail to consider other regions where it's hot all the time :rolleyes: .

Hence our discussion of 2 vs 3 fans end here, you don't know what it's like to have 30C+ ambient all the time

Btw the Asus Dual achieve somewhat good thermal because it use bigger fans, making it wider at 134mm width, the new Prime series is 120mm wide. If the Prime uses only 2 fans thermal/noise would be worse than Dual model

2.5 slots and tripple fan gpu is "sff ready" now, what a time to be alive :ohwell:

SFF my arse! My 6900XT is 320mm and I thought it was huge! SFF is a gt1030 to me which I owned many a moon ago.

nguyenLOL you live in Canada where it's cold most of the time anyways, you fail to consider other regions where it's hot all the time :rolleyes: .

Hence our discussion of 2 vs 3 fans end here, you don't know what it's like to have 30C+ ambient all the time

You missed the point completely. The question was, why do we need big cards to bear the SFF designation? Why can't big cards be big cards and SFF be SFF?

No matter how loudly Nvidia is shouting that the sky is green, it is still blue.

My guess is they want to normalize big cards as something normal, they've been pushing power limits and sizes upwards the last couple years, 250W max was standard for a long time until they pushed it to 350W (3080) and even 450W (3090ti) with 3000 series and reports are that the 600W they didn't have the courage to put forth with 4000 series is coming with 5000 series.

So they want to make 3 slots cards something normal, it's a stupid marketing exercise that doesn't convince anyone, 2.5 slots is compatible with most SFF cases and builds but it's not small at all

Gotta present this as the new SFF because you all know 5000 series is going to be all cinderblocks from the x70 on up.

Duh

AusWolfYou missed the point completely. The question was, why do we need big cards to bear the SFF designation? Why can't big cards be big cards and SFF be SFF?

No matter how loudly Nvidia is shouting that the sky is green, it is still blue.

Not when Nvidia decides how the sky gets painted next gen. The above is NOT a joke. Its the underlying strategy of this marketing. Everyone knows this isn't SFF, but now you can queue the fanboys who are going to somehow interpret it as such and poof a new market is born for 'SFF cases', and Nvidia will sell its 3+ slot monstrosities as the new norm. Buzz guaranteed, too. What more could you ask out of a single marketing slide?

Asus? Hard pass. Their cards cost 150-350 extra Euro here. In comparison to Palit/MSI that is. GB is also overpriced this generation, it never used to be. Oh well, id rather save 200 bucks than to touch anything from Asus. I know their prices are better in other places, might just be a thing here but yeah. Thats the facts.

AusWolfI think the problem is that we've been throwing around the SFF moniker like it was a thing, when in fact, no one has created a definition for it. We just kind of accepted it with an arbitrary meaning. Now, Nvidia took the helm and bent the definition to make their gigantic beasts fit. My problem is that their definition is vastly different than mine. I will never accept anything longer than 20 cm and thicker than dual slot as SFF.

AusWolfYou missed the point completely. The question was, why do we need big cards to bear the SFF designation? Why can't big cards be big cards and SFF be SFF?

No matter how loudly Nvidia is shouting that the sky is green, it is still blue.

trsttteMy guess is they want to normalize big cards as something normal, they've been pushing power limits and sizes upwards the last couple years, 250W max was standard for a long time until they pushed it to 350W (3080) and even 450W (3090ti) with 3000 series and reports are that the 600W they didn't have the courage to put forth with 4000 series is coming with 5000 series.

So they want to make 3 slots cards something normal, it's a stupid marketing exercise that doesn't convince anyone, 2.5 slots is compatible with most SFF cases and builds but it's not small at all

mmhh I get what you mean, but reading the SFF-ready page again, I feel like there's something that went over the head of most of us here, and we are getting too heated about something because we think that it's something that it's not: those GPUs aren't called "SFF sized" but "SFF-ready". Did you notice how there's no fancy "Nvidia SFF-ready" sticker to be seen anywhere? the whole thing is a lower deal than we assume this to be.

"SFF-Ready" is nothing more than a whitelist of RTX 4070 class and above GPUs and select popular SFF cases that are also whitelisted to be compatible with each other (even if that list also got a few giants in there like the z11, lmao). I feel like it's not stressed enough how RTX 4000 made building in a 15-liter case (!!!!) something tricky because GPUs have gotten so big in all dimensions, even a case like an A4 H2O with 3 PCI slot is not guaranteed to fit a modern 3 slots GPU without pulling out the Dremel. "SFF-ready" isn't a standard, it's just a recommendation. Their plan was never to make 6-liter builds with an RTX 4070 a reality, but merely to clean up the mess that AiB made by abusing oversized coolers that require a bigger clearance space than one could assume. Take a look at the SFF-ready case list, and you'll see that a lot of mainstream SFF cases aren't mentioned. It doesn't mean that they aren't SFF, just that they have requirements that are too strict/are too much of a niche.

Mainstream SFF cases development is following the GPU trends, even boutique brands like Dan, Ncase, and FormD who are getting community feedback. When was the last time that a strictly 2 slots, strictly half-height case meant to be mainstream was released? I've followed the development of a few boutique cases, and they would rather make a case bigger than have so many compromises that the case would have trouble finding a public with the current reality of the hardware. The OG Ncase m1 and Dan A4 have been retired for this very reason: the hardware had outgrown the cases.

I kid you not, 11liters SFF cases that could host an AiB 3090 were all of a sudden limited to a few select 4070s at best... when the 4090 use less power :D At the very least we won't see the fractal tera suffering the same fate when the next-gen GPUs will be out.


A Strix 3090 in a 11 liters case. Something that you cannot do with a Strix 4090 because they got so oversized, even though the power req are virtually similar

AusWolfYeah - it's a joke, honestly. A pitiful attempt to redefine standards instead of making stuff that fits.

In my books, SFF means single slot, or low profile graphics cards, or double slot but then no longer than the PCI-e connector. No Nvidia marketing BS will change that.

Yup, the Radeon R9 Nano was a proper SFF enthusiast GPU from its time. We will never see its kind again.

nguyenWhy is shorter better though? SFF cases can fit 270-300mm long GPUs just fine. IMO SFF build look better with longer GPU that fill the length of the case.
This guy has the same idea LOL


Furthermore you can fine tune the fan speed for a quieter gaming experience, especially when the SFF build sit right next to you.

Because that case isnt SFF. not even friggin close. You took a micro ATX case and cut an expansion slot out. LMFAO.

SFF cases have become bloated, much liek the western world, where people have forgotten what healthy weights look like. There's no reason SFF PC cases should be the size of micro ATX towers int he early 2010s.

trsttteMy guess is they want to normalize big cards as something normal, they've been pushing power limits and sizes upwards the last couple years, 250W max was standard for a long time until they pushed it to 350W (3080) and even 450W (3090ti) with 3000 series and reports are that the 600W they didn't have the courage to put forth with 4000 series is coming with 5000 series.

So they want to make 3 slots cards something normal, it's a stupid marketing exercise that doesn't convince anyone, 2.5 slots is compatible with most SFF cases and builds but it's not small at all

350w isnt new. GTX 480/580 anyone? LOL.

The 3 slot card caught on because it allows you to push thermi power use and beyond while being QUIET. Also 3090ti pushed 600w under extreme load, 4090 cut back that power use.

btarunrYup, the Radeon R9 Nano was a proper SFF enthusiast GPU from its time. We will never see its kind again.

This is the size you need for truly SFF cases, like the asrock deskmeet, which is 8l in capacity. TRUE SFF. And it Still wastes space with a full ATX PSU. That being said, there are several 4060s built in this profile, from lenovo, palit, and zotac. Colorful has a 4060ti apparently.

TheinsanegamerNBecause that case isnt SFF. not even friggin close. You took a micro ATX case and cut an expansion slot out. LMFAO.

SFF cases have become bloated, much liek the western world, where people have forgotten what healthy weights look like. There's no reason SFF PC cases should be the size of micro ATX towers int he early 2010s.

There is no reason SFF PC should be compromising on performance/thermal/noise/price either.

The build I'm planning with the DeepCool CH160 for a pal to bring to another country use readily available components that make 0 compromises on performance/thermal/noise/prices.

I'm getting the impression that some people are measuring D size with how small SFF should be here