Friday, August 23rd 2024
AMD Ryzen 9000X3D Processors with 3D V-Cache Arrive in January at CES 2025
AMD's upcoming Ryzen 9000X3D series of processors with 3D V-Cache have been reportedly scheduled to arrive in January 2025 and should make a debut at the CES event, a few months later than initially expected. While disappointing for eager enthusiasts, the delay could signify that AMD is taking extra precautions to ensure a smooth launch and deliver a product that meets the high-performance standards set by its previous 3D V-Cache offerings. Delaying the new product launch could also be a strategic move by AMD to avoid potential supply chain issues or to align the launch with other product announcements.
We previously reported that the series will maintain the same cache size configurations as the last generation with 3D V-Cache, and it will just be an upgrade to up the performance of the new Zen 5 design. The launch of the 9000X3D series follows a smaller six-month gap from the regular Ryzen 9000 series, where the previous Ryzen 7000X3D and 5000X3D followed seven and seventeen months after the launch of their regular SKUs, respectively.
Sources:
HXL, via VideoCardz
We previously reported that the series will maintain the same cache size configurations as the last generation with 3D V-Cache, and it will just be an upgrade to up the performance of the new Zen 5 design. The launch of the 9000X3D series follows a smaller six-month gap from the regular Ryzen 9000 series, where the previous Ryzen 7000X3D and 5000X3D followed seven and seventeen months after the launch of their regular SKUs, respectively.
84 Comments on AMD Ryzen 9000X3D Processors with 3D V-Cache Arrive in January at CES 2025
It will be an incremental boost for most games. With AMD's purported cache optimizations, we might end up with a ~15% best case increase in a few cache-sensitive games but otherwise I would tamper expectations.
....broken record mode initiated...
The chiplet+IOD design is the best invention ever when you want with exactly the same core design to have CPUs with cores/threads from a few up to hundreds of them.
Unification and cost reduction = better margins, less R&D and headaches...
Keep the super high binned for EPYC (servers) where the market counts profits in many many millions if not billions, have the medium binned for Threadripper and the bottom of the barrel goes to mainstream consumers.
You like it or not... We get the scrap that doesnt fit for serious massive work. Some change in AMD's pockets and also they dont have to dump the chiplets in garbage or in recycle (if they had 2 different designs).
The design is more and more server driven. Doesn't fit well for gaming.
And even worse the IOD is obvious bottleneck now, but not upgrading it yet for cost.
Enter 3D... solution found!
Look around on both AM4/AM5 platforms and the 3DVcache parts will take place on every level of performance and cost from 6 up to 16cores
AMD is not saying it directly, but still loud and clear to me, that gaming is 3DVcache only from now (Zen5) on.
For the above thoughts I'm 99.9% confident.
For next not so much...
AMD can make 3DVcache implementation better.
Rumors (not very reliable lately) want that some improvements will come. design wise and thermally wise.
Maybe not.
My perception... since Zen5 showed that its more bandwidth and latency sensitive (look reviews with tweaked memory)... even the exactly the same cache as the 7000X3Ds have, it will probably be benefited more.
Performance extrapolation from 7000 >> 9000 to 7000X3D >> 9000X3D is too simplistic to my understanding.
Its 2 different designs that most likely behave differently with 3DVcache addition.
I do not play engineer like some here... I look the data and moves from AMD the last few years.
AMD needs this and that... wrong!
AMD is doing exactly what AMD needs
Marketing not so much!
I'm sure the 7800X3D will still perform well and enough for any gaming experience even if the 9000X3Ds are offering +15~20%.
Do you really need 10, 20 or 30% more performance?
I dont even need it and I'm on 5000nonX3D.
Maybe next year I will jump to 7000X3D which offers nice performance uplift from the 5900X and later on Zen6
Making way more sense if you skip it and go for Zen6 in 3+years.
Always take the best or second best of previous gen when is matured enough and on discount... ;)
If so, the x3D parts might be superior in all respects compared to vanilla Zen5.
Last two bios do not initialise the USB Keyboard for some reason. Same shit again on am5 as on am4. I tried also different USB-A connectors of my io Panel from the mainbaord. Reboot hangs also. Several times a reset, up to 5 times, suddenly starts the reboot process.
I'll dump the hole setup when there is a decent offer for another mainboard not from ASUS or a mainboard and CPU combo not from ASUS.
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I do expect that a mainboard works. Sees all USB devices. Is able to boot from any USB-A and any USB-C connector without issues. I do expect UEFI Updates early and not the latest for all available AM5 mainboards from the same brandSometimes it's better to sell the mainboard / cpu / graphic cards earlier financially. Or for the hidden issues and bugs. Or the low quality UEFI. Functionally. Bad wifi soldered module. ....
I dumped a 5800X for a Ryzen 7600X for example.
Known CPU faults / Security Faults are increasing. Performance is dropping. Less connectivity on the mainboard, e.g. not more than 2 NVME slots.
Hardware out of warranty. When it dies tommorow hole value lost.
Cpu looses value a lot. Mainboard was kinda valueable on the second hand market. 2x32GiB DDR4 RAM was also kinda valueable on the second hand market.
MSI barely provided any UEFI updates after a while. Old mainboards barely gets updates. See the recent Ryzen 3000 Processors without updates. I do not care that AMD changed their minds. 4 year old hardware did not got any updates for security issues.
Threadripper afaik also barely gets updates or new processors. Switching hardware has benefits.
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My software hardly gets any gain with the 3D-Cache. Just increases the part. 3D-Cache not worth for every workload and for every operating system and every userspace.
That might even be the reason for the later than expected release. Maybe AMD have decided to extend testing after they have witnessed Intel's disaster.
If you're a gamer, its not even worth it to not get one with v-cache, and if you're a creator/prosumer, you'll need the dual CCD versions like the 12 and 16 core CPUs.
Anyone else trying to dabble into making content or other workload things won't benefit from the slight frequency boost of not having V-cache.
AMD should just manufacture 6-core and 8-core 3D V-cache CPU en masse to bring down the price, and people would FLOCK to them.
Save the normal CCD's for Epyc and multi-CCD CPUs.
Those CPU are more for the people that just need a computer but do not game and budget offer. They are also good for many workload that do not benefits from a larger L3 or higher frequency.
CPU aren't just for gaming.
I think those Zen 5 X3D could end up being good. Higher frequency with the added benefits of cache could do nice things on this uArch. It seems that under some scenario those core aren't fed enough with just the cache they have and the DDR5 dual channel. Also remember that at that point, Windows 11 24H2 will be released too.
We will see but it would be best if they would release the whole lineup at the same time at some point. Now gamers know there would always be a more cache CPU and will wait for it.
AMD doesn't need to ditch chiplets and doesn't need to put things back into CCD. What it need it use a more modern interposer technology. It's the same tech as Zen 2 and iit's certainly cheap, but the bandwidth and latency haven't really improved. They should upgrade to something like what they have on RDNA3. (Fanout bridge if i recall), this way they can have much more bandwidth between the CCD and the I/O die and they could even add direct path to the second CCD when required.
But i wonder if that will happen on AM5 or if we will have to get to Zen 6 to get better interposer technology
update. Another prediction Zen4 x3d will cost more than Zen5 non xc3 parts due to supply and demand before Zen5 x3d drops. The price are moving in the opposing directions already. Zen4 x3d significantly higher than just 1 month ago and Zen5 already getting price reduction.