I had problems when it first dropped, but seems to be fine for me too.

ObscureAngelPTSorry, yes but NO.
The alternatives work very well, don't get me wrong.
The issue is most of the people using Microsoft Office proprietary formats like DocX and Xlsx.

They work fine the last time I checked.

ObscureAngelPTWell Libreoffice and other suites can't manage to get that compatibility very well in many occasions and my Wife for example works with excels that have embbedd macros on the Excels, it's impossible to use Libreoffice on those occasions.
Altough for very casual occasions it does work, but I think it's more easier to show them the limited Word Online or Google Docs than convince people to use Libreoffice and other Linux Suites.

Well, then LibreOffice is not for her. I don't think many people use macros, though.

They just want to bypass their built in check so that more people get dumped into auto download of W11 as an "update" on W10.

HankierosemanI have 5 desktops, all updated to Win 11 24H2, Home and Pro(Retail) versions, in my home and have not now or ever had the problems posted in this forum post.
Am I doing something wrong? :lovetpu:

Fresh install or in-place upgrade? Fresh install should be fairly bug-free.

For in-place upgrades, don't do anything unorthodox with your system settings, use officially supported CPUs and it should also be mostly bug free

Nope, TPM 2.0 is still a requirement.
TPM 2.0 – a necessity for a secure and future-proof Windows 11

So people aren't switching and they're getting more desperate...

Second the Motion on LLM PCs, the most overhyped tech ever, why would your general user want it?

windwhirlFresh install or in-place upgrade? Fresh install should be fairly bug-free.

For in-place upgrades, don't do anything unorthodox with your system settings, use officially supported CPUs and it should also be mostly bug free

Two FRESH installs and 3 NOT fresh. The Simulators also have limited software installed. NO CRAPWARE on RETAIL versions of Windows.

What about Secure Boot?

I have a GA-X99-UD4 but don't think it has Secure Boot:(

After how long they pushed for this it's sorta like an April fools joke reading it. Windows 11 has been installed on my PC about 2 years now and it's been great, no going back. TPS 2 enabled on my Ryzen build of course. Glad others that might want it without TPM can finally install, although I highly recommend a clean install.

They didn't change anything, it's pretty much the same as it was 3 years ago web.archive.org/web/20211026034401/https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windows-11-on-devices-that-don-t-meet-minimum-system-requirements-0b2dc4a2-5933-4ad4-9c09-ef0a331518f1

"MicrosoftThis PC doesn't meet the minimum system requirements for running Windows 11 - these requirements help ensure a more reliable and higher quality experience. Installing Windows 11 on this PC is not recommended and may result in compatibility issues. If you proceed with installing Windows 11, your PC will no longer be supported and won't be entitled to receive updates. Damages to your PC due to lack of compatibility aren't covered under the manufacturer warranty. By selecting Accept, you are acknowledging that you read and understand this statement."

so, its a trap from microsoft, then ??

DavenI made the mistake of upgrading to Win 11 2H24 on my Asus ROG laptop. Constant blue screens and sluggish performance. I’ve never seen so many bugs coming from MS software (Windows, Office, etc) compared to the past.

The intersection of increasingly bloated software and providing the software as a service rather than a product may doom MS. That Crowdstrike crash a few months back will be seen as the good times.

It's your hardware. Windows 11 works perfectly for me and my family. Had one green screen in 5 years on 3 pc's. And it takes about 15 minutes to "de-bloat" it. Never have AD's or anything like that.

DavenI made the mistake of upgrading to Win 11 2H24 on my Asus ROG laptop. Constant blue screens and sluggish performance. I’ve never seen so many bugs coming from MS software (Windows, Office, etc) compared to the past.

The intersection of increasingly bloated software and providing the software as a service rather than a product may doom MS. That Crowdstrike crash a few months back will be seen as the good times.

I'm still on W11 23H2 and it has become a slog on a 7700X and 4080. It randomly freezes then keeps going. No blue screens, but it's definitely worse than it was 6 months ago.

ObscureAngelPTWell, damage as been done, now people are not going back.

Let me explain, my parents had a very old system running Windows 10, the only thing they do is some basic browsing and taking care of their financial stuff (they have some houses which they rent so they need to deal with stuff in the financial websites of the country).

With the Windows 10 support coming to an end, I could had installed Windows 11 unnoficially through rufus, altough I've just decided a couple months ago moving them to Mint 21.2 (at the time was the lastest).
Guess what? they are super happy and no issues until now, fortunaly they don't do document processing so the only thing they really need is a browser and a file manager and with this they lost a user using Edge, bing, and other free services that microsoft uses, not a big deal for Microsoft I'm sure, but they don't consider Windows anymore and so it's another one not using their system.

As for my wife, I just upgraded her laptop, which was too beaten and had a lot of hardware issues, so she has Windows 11 and will continue to have, she uses Office 365 so she will never move on from Microsoft and that's OK because it really fits to her and it's great.

As for me, I do like to game and benchmark, but I've been mainly on Linux lately, but for video recording and benchmarks (since my users are on Windows) I'm still using Windows for that matter, and I like to do comparations between both.

I think there is OSs for everyone tastes and needs, and I really think that many people rely on Microsoft, not because it's OS itself, but mostly due to their services/products, mainly Microsoft Office.

Business makes sense for me to use Windows due to it's support.
Altough for many regular users, especially the ones that don't need to rely in Microsoft products/services, they can move on, but most of the people just don't know there are alternatives and unfortunaly Linux is kind of a mess with 1000 available distros and many not being very user friendly.

Onasi@AusWolf
It effectively is. Linux is completely irrelevant in the consumer desktop space still and in business (in a lot of orgs, at least) any attempts to try and convince your bosses to go over to Linux and away from Win/Office ecosystem will get you laughed ot of the room. I don't CARE if it's because "people just don't know". Fuck, I would say that MacOS is closer to being a relevant second player than Linux EVER was. And it's not changing rapidly enough. I have hopes, but it will take years and someone actually taking the FOSS community by the throat and being the adult in the room capable of saying "no, stop in-fighting like children, we are doing things one way to make shit actually happen". So far, Valve is TRYING, but I don't feel like it's enough.

Imouto@Onasi

Valve's managed to put Wayland's developers (in the fucking Gnome school of thought) in line by threatening to fork the shit out of the project by implementing plenty of patches for their own branch they just can't refuse and having a functional mini-compositor for gaming (Gamescope). Before Valve butted in you couldn't even turn off V-Sync because those numbskulls thought that was the "correct" way to do it.

ObscureAngelPTSorry, yes but NO.
The alternatives work very well, don't get me wrong.
The issue is most of the people using Microsoft Office proprietary formats like DocX and Xlsx.

Well Libreoffice and other suites can't manage to get that compatibility very well in many occasions and my Wife for example works with excels that have embbedd macros on the Excels, it's impossible to use Libreoffice on those occasions.
Altough for very casual occasions it does work, but I think it's more easier to show them the limited Word Online or Google Docs than convince people to use Libreoffice and other Linux Suites.




I didn't knew about this but it doesn't shock me.
I guess at one point Valve will get tired of this and will fork just everything to their needs and starts to get away from Linux as we know it, just like Google have done with Android, they forked everything they needed and start to develop their own stuff more in a more closed approach as time gone by.

I quoted a few posts, because I feel they are relevant to what I want to write.

Recent blue screens after updates in Win10 made me switch to Mint and I am not coming back. Sometimes I want to when there's no alternative to the application I liked (usable alternative I mean), but there really is no need to. I even helped a friend whos Win10 became unusable (most likely due to botched update as reverting it helped). This shows even Win10 is a pain now.

On the topic of Linux.
However it pains me, it's true Linux is a mess. I tried various distos over the years and there's little change. What I mean, too many versions and no singural repository with an oversight. Ubuntu and now Valve helped Linux to be relevant, but the people behind the free software movement are the worst what could happen to it. Some companies were willing to share their work, but as a binary locked blob, not open source and they were driven out. It's fine when someone wants to protect their work, I'm getting the system for free. It was difficult to understand why rejectit. I saw no issue there, but apparently some maintainers did.
I want to see Linux as an alternative to Windows. However, until people behind open source stop this religious s***, we can only relay on corporation like Google, Valve or Canonical to create another Windows and lock us for their profit in it.

HankierosemanI have 5 desktops, all updated to Win 11 24H2, Home and Pro(Retail) versions, in my home and have not now or ever had the problems posted in this forum post.
Am I doing something wrong? :lovetpu:

Same here. Zero major issues in 6 years on 3 PC's. I think most folks blame the OS for issues that have nothing to do with windows.

Tek-CheckWhat are pile of nonsense lingo from Microsoft! They will not take a responsibility even for the quality of toilet paper in a corporate restroom.

DF published latest insights into major issues with Windows 11, on compatible devices.

Works great for me on 3 PC's for 6 years.

Good, but currently 24h2 is a mess even for supported hardware and it's not worth upgrading now. Still 1 year of support for w10.

They still actually say that unsupported devices may not recieve important updates.

Soooo... may as well consider the news about dropping TPM as "nothing changed".

*If* this news item is correct, and I say 'if' because there seems to be some legitimate and justifiable doubt expressed within this thread that it isn't, then I must ask the following:

What would be the meaningful difference between an unsupported Windows 11 platform, versus simply pressing on with Windows 10 past October 2025? (Aside from the ability for Microsoft to peer down your blouse a bit further and more often with Windows 11...)

I honestly though things like Samsung Dex if it was widespread or available and marketed in the regular Android Phones could be the typical mainstream PC for many.

I mean, I can imagine a lot of people that makes 90% of their stuff on their phone, but wants to do a quick thing in a desktop environment connecting their phone to a DockStation which quickly transforms his android to a full blown desktop linux alike experience out of the box.

Clearly this didn't took off and Samsung is scratching Dex off their list now.
But I could clearly see a future in this type of feature for very casual users, while having a console for their gaming needs/Cloud service in their TVs, in this future I think Microsoft OS would be in trouble aside from their services.

Let me just be clear, I didn't had any issue with Windows lately, contrary to many people here, it's mostly just the policies (which can be disabled) that are enforced lately that kinda of pisses me off a bit.

The OS works great but it's a services/data collection gallore for Microsoft which would make sense if it was free,
but it's actually paid, whatever if you buy it from microsoft at a very expensive price or very cheap in a random indian store, it almost feels like a Fifa Game, which you pay full price for it and yet you still have a mountain of micro-transactions,
which comparing to Windows, you pay for it full price and you still feed them with tons of data through their services and processes in background, jeez.

I think Windows should have this verisons:
1. HOME: should have been free at this point with the typical enforced stuff, Edge, Bing default, OneDrive default, probably this ammount of data allows them to pay of your copy easily with the data they harvest
2. A PAID ALTERNATIVE: with no harvesting of data for their services aside from very basic stuff, basic telemetry (not what they call basic in their settings) and freedom for their browsers and search stuff
3. A PROFESSIONAL VERISON.

L'EliminateurMS is a friggin joke, they've been preaching and swearing that TPM will not be dropped as 11 requirement -even when there are workarounds to install without it that means it's really NOT needed by the OS- and not even a 2 weeks later they drop their pants and spread'em cheeks wide.

If TPM was really a core functionality, the system should BSOD without one, or refuse to start in anything but safemode, just like when you tried to install windows 10 on a cpu without CMPXCHG16B instruction, it would simply fail and refuse to install because the code would simply NOT run.

Absolutely zero trust on whatever they do, they're a laughingstock i will NEVER run win11 on ANY device i have personally or professionally control over or under my purview, even if win10 is out of support i will keep running it on entire networks

>>...If TPM was really a core functionality, the system should BSOD without one, or
>>...refuse to start in anything but safemode...

More than 3 years ago successfully installed Windows 11 Pro Beta on a Dell Precision M4700 Mobile Workstation with a 3rd Gen Intel CPU ( No any TPM hardware ). I've used Windows 11 for R&D for some time but decided to stay away.

Windows 11 Pro Beta installed from Windows 7 Professional on Dell Mobile Workstation ( VTR-154 )

W11 is a nightmare and has nothing good to offer IMO.

Then gaming on Linux is really good experience except for multiplayer and is just a mater of time for devs to add support for Linux in multiplayer. Valve is doing a great job there.

Then is apple with Mac mini for just $600~ and more than enough computer to do 99% of everything that people need to do on a cheap PC.

Then is laptop prices. Are too high to renew and to little to justify it. All because AI Microsoft spyware. Why would anyone subsidize Microsoft spyware by paying a lot more for something that has nearly zero value for users?

Then is apple again, about to launch macbook air with 16gb of RAM, for maybe $1200~$1500? When most laptops cost the same or more, and the experience is far better on MacOS, I wonder why would people consider w11.

So the only option for Microsoft is drop stupid requests for installing their OS, or fail even more.

People with old hardware may consider the upgrade now. Or may update without knowing anything.

Windows 11 since launched isn't requiring TPM 2.0 and CPUs from 8th gen intel CPU or AMD 2000 series in first place, even Microsoft themselves explaining how to bypass these requirements. at least the SSE 4.2 requiment on 24h2 is more reasonable because it won't boot
i have a pc from 2011 running Windows 11, it's slow but no compatibility issue or crashes and still managing to run old drivers.
Windows 10 have over 61% of market share and Microsoft trying to push Windows 11 forther but with these requirements makes impossible to achieve that, also at the end of support of Windows 10 will leave over half of the world of pc users without security updates (expect if it's extremely critical like wannacry) and these users not ready for paying for additional years for security updates.

Too little, too late. Win11's strategy up until now was to brute-force people out of Win10 by replacing it in the supply chain of new devices and pressuring people with the 'ooo we're going to drop support soon' BS. Were Win11 treated like the open test bed it was and is, its reception wouldn't have been as catastrophic... nevermind to the average user there is zero point in actually 'upgrading' their OS since Win11 has such insignificant extra functionality at a significant uptick to system requirements. It's Win10 with a fresh coat of Fortune 500 Conglomerate White(tm), who would ever ask for that?

eq-jSource??
I cannot locate this source for the news.
Are you under the mistaken impression that TPM 2.0 is no longer needed based on what is written on the following website?

support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windows-11-on-devices-that-don-t-meet-minimum-system-requirements-0b2dc4a2-5933-4ad4-9c09-ef0a331518f1

Source? Here. Try it yourself. This was already possible as long as 11 exists I think.

rufus.ie/en/



Also allow me to share the cleanliness of a Windows 11 IoT Enterprise desktop with an offline account and no Store. Yes, you can keep the taskbar sane, too. No third party BS required. No ads, widgets or other bloat in your start menu. Pin what you need, search what you didn't pin, or click all apps for an ordered list. Even Search now works properly and doesn't give you web based results. It gets even better on LTSC, because then you're safe from MS bullshit updates until 2034 on this build. Security updates you still get.

ChomiqThey just want to bypass their built in check so that more people get dumped into auto download of W11 as an "update" on W10.

This. Warn your family. The updates get pushed already prior to this event, and then report 'your specs are not ok for this update'. It won't be going forward.

SirBIt's your hardware. Windows 11 works perfectly for me and my family. Had one green screen in 5 years on 3 pc's. And it takes about 15 minutes to "de-bloat" it. Never have AD's or anything like that.

You can't blame theoretically compatible hardware for not ruining Windows 11 properly. It's the job of the OS to run on everything that is officially supported problem-free.