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Intel and Qualcomm Clash Over Arm-based PC Return Rates, Qualcomm Notes It's "Within Industry Norm"

In an interesting exchange about product stance between Intel's interim co-CEO Michelle Johnston Holthaus and Qualcomm, both have offered conflicting statements about the market performance of Arm-based PCs. The dispute centers on customer satisfaction and return rates for PCs powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon X processors. During the Barclays 22nd Annual Global Technology Conference, Holthaus claimed that retailers are experiencing high return rates for Arm PCs, mainly citing software compatibility issues. According to her, customers are finding that typical applications don't work as expected on these devices. "I mean, if you look at the return rate for Arm PCs, you go talk to any retailer, their number one concern is, wow, I get a large percentage of these back. Because you go to set them up, and the things that we just expect don't work," said Holthaus.

"Our devices continue to have greater than 4+ stars across consumer reviews and our products have received numerous accolades across the industry including awards from Fast Company, TechRadar, and many consumer publications. Our device return rates are within industry norm," said Qualcomm representative for CRN. Qualcomm projects that up to 50% of laptops will transition to non-x86 platforms within five years, signaling their confidence in Arm-based solutions. While software compatibility remains a challenge for Arm PCs, with not all Windows applications fully supported, Qualcomm and Microsoft have implemented an emulation layer to address these limitations. Holthaus acknowledged that Apple's successful transition to Arm-based processors has helped pave the way for broader Arm adoption in the PC market. "Apple did a lot of that heavy lift for Arm to make that ubiquitous with their iOS and their whole walled garden stack. So I'm not going to say Arm will get more, I'm sure, than it gets today. But there are certainly, I think, some real barriers to getting there," noted Holthaus.
Overall, the Snapdragon X PC sales have been a bit slow. Even with a launch in mid-2024, it has been a few months now, and adoption has been underwhelming. According to Canalys, Qualcomm sold around 720,000 Snapdragon X devices, which accounts for only 0.8% of all PCs sold in Q3 2024. Snapdragon X-powered devices represent less than 1.5% of the Windows-based PC market, which is a tiny share compared to the massive x86 ecosystem that AMD and Intel control. Next year, NVIDIA and MediaTek are preparing a joint entry into the Arm-based PC world, so competition will heat up. Even so, Qualcomm allegedly skipped Oryon 2 cores and went straight to Oryon 3 for their following Snapdragon X2 processor lineup.
Source: CRN
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30 Comments on Intel and Qualcomm Clash Over Arm-based PC Return Rates, Qualcomm Notes It's "Within Industry Norm"

#26
phanbuey
OSdevrThis isn't the first time an ostensibly superior architecture tried to replace x86. Remember Itanium? Granted it was targeted at servers and HPC instead of consumer machines, and performance of the initial models was disappointing, but architecturally it was in many ways better than x86 and even x86-64. And unlike these ARM machines the early models actually had hardware support for x86 without the need for emulation. In the end it didn't matter because x86 was so dominant, well studied, and cheap. Itanic (aka Itanium) by contrast was expensive, poorly supported and late to market to the point that x86 and others had already caught up to it. I expect ARM in PCs will go just as poorly, and this isn't even the first time they've tried it.
Every time they try it they get better though, closer. It's only a matter of time.
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#27
psydroid
cal5582this seems like one of those things where they project really hard trying to make it happen.
why would i want a machine without backwards compatibility. thats pretty much the entire selling point of windows.
I think they count on Intel fumbling it in the future, so non-x86 will be all that's left and consumers won't have much choice.

I don't see the point for Windows either and for Linux you can usually get by with much cheaper hardware, whether that's ARM or x86.
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#28
Patriot
psydroidI think they count on Intel fumbling it in the future, so non-x86 will be all that's left and consumers won't have much choice.

I don't see the point for Windows either and for Linux you can usually get by with much cheaper hardware, whether that's ARM or x86.
As soon as qualcomm finishes support for linux on these chips ill give one of them a spin.
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#29
Darmok N Jalad
PatriotAs soon as qualcomm finishes support for linux on these chips ill give one of them a spin.
Curious if that will ever actually happen. If the sales are indeed sluggish, there may not be enough incentive to push it out.
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#30
ScaLibBDP
phanbueyI think it's a problem that solves itself... Alot of the backwards-compatibility doesn't need to be performant, it just needs to work, and with increasing abstraction this will eventually happen. That being said, ARM is now also becoming freakishly bloated as happened to X86... Maybe RISC V will make an appearance or maybe some combination of tiles a la intel.

Definitely a chip ahead of it's time, however. They didn't spend enough time on the compatibility aspect before trying to roll out a "Premium" product.
>>...Maybe RISC V will make an appearance or maybe some combination...

RISC-V ISA follows a wrong-path of x86 ISA. That is, too many RISC-V extensions released, significant ISA fragmentation, and the most important, RISC-V fails to enter a hot consumer and HPC / Data Center markets.

Do Not pay attention to all these RISC-V Single Board Computers ( SBC ) since all them are Not an end user friendly.

A regular web-surfer will Not buy an RISC-V SBC to stay online for 4, 6, or 8 hours a day.
AcEDespite ARM going nowhere on PC right now Holthaus still seems desperate, why are Intel CEOs so doomed?
I think that article on HpcWire could answer your question:

www.hpcwire.com/2024/12/16/cpu-king-intel-faces-rocky-road-to-achieve-gpu-dreams
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