tfdsafThat is old data, since then 7900GRE memory was unlocked since then and all AIB's were selling higher speed memory versions that added 10% performance.

If you look at the latest data from techpowerup, which they just did a rebenching with their new 9800x3d test setup the GRE is 10% faster than the 7800XT. And again it also depends which model you are using, the card is 10% to 15% faster than the 7800XT.

So if the 9070XT is 5-10% faster in games than the GRE, that means it is anywhere from 15% to 20% faster over the 7800XT. So 20% faster for just $50 more I'd take that deal.

Great. A single RX 9070 XT sold.

In another news, AMD market share drops from 9.9% in Q4 2024 to 4.9% in Q2 2025 . :rolleyes:

3valatzyGreat. A single RX 9070 XT sold.

In another news, AMD market share drops from 9.9% in Q4 2024 to 4.9% in Q2 2025 . :rolleyes:

15% performance increase for the same price will not work for AMD and even now RX 7800 XT costs ~ 470€. So if they price it at 500€ it will be awful price/performance deal and market share will go dawn as always in last many years.

If this is the full Navi 48 then it's kinda disappointing.I really hope this is just a mildly cutdown die with lower clocks and there is a 9080 also in the works for the sake of competition.With that kind of performance max $499 otherwise it's doa.
Even $499 isn't that good, same price as Q3 2023 7800XT with only so little performance uplift?And don't start with the improved raytracing, 9070 will be slower than 4070 super in QHD, i don't expect more than +15% in raytracing vs raster performance, meaning if 9070 is +2% faster vs 7900GRE in raster then it will be max around +17% faster in real world raytracing.
And anyway for AMD to justify same price with Q3 2023 7800XT isn't the best strategy to say that the reason is the increased raytracing performance (or the AI based FSR4 upscaling if they exclude RDNA3 parts which is unlikely to happen since the math engine is there, RDNA2 should not support the AI component of FSR4 on the other hand) because it will immediately in part justify Nvidia's rethoric all these years (although Nvidia's software stack and support from the industry is greater than the sum of just better raytracing+DLSS)
How AMD's new strategy to go after the 80% TAM correlates with $499 for this kind of performance?

I want a GPU in the same format as a minipc with oculink/TB4 link, and powered by a DC brick.

tfdsafWell guys, they are going for low end and mainstream buyers, they literally sell 5% of the high end segment, meaning Nvidia sells 95% of $800+ segment with AMD only selling 5%. Why would they bother with it?

If the 9070XT is 5% faster than the 7900GRE in games and costs $500 that would be an amazing deal.

They would bother with it to gain market shares and make more money. That's the concept of running a business.

Now, how on earth would a 7900GRE with 5% more perf at $500 be "an amazing deal" when the 4070 SUPER has been available at this price and in this area of performance for 6 months now? What's next, a 9080XTX at $1100 with the perfs of a 4080 SUPER?!

TheinsanegamerNPolaris wasn't an evergreen moment. Evergreen was both faster and significantly smaller then nvidia's fermi. The RX 480 was 32mm2 larger then the 1060, and slower. That would require a radical departure from rDNA's design, and there's no way rDNA4 is going to be that.

If they had such benefits, there'd be no reason to not reach out and crush nvidia's higher end cards. Maybe we'll see that with uDNA, but rDNA4 is likely just to be a *slight* upgrade over rDNA3, at best, so long as you are not a high end customer.

If it's as fast, it will have asterisk after asterisk.

"It's just as fast as the 4070 super *as long as you dont use RT *with significantly worse frame gen tech", ece.

Try to sell a product with an inferior package for the same price, dont be surprised if it fails. Sorry, I know AMD is the underdog and we have to make excuses for the multi billion dollar corpo, but if they are only competitive in one avenue (gaming with just raster), that wont be enough to justify being a "premium" brand and an equivalent price will be seen as stupid.

I dont know why you were, there was zero indication that the 8800 would be a 7900 xtx. The only source for it being xtx level was internet comments, no leaks, no roadmaps, nothing official indicated that kind of performance.

And after two generations, I wouldnt put any stock in any RT claims AMD makes.

Because its a generation newer and supposedly the 8800 XT? The jump between 6800 XT and 7800XT wasn't very big, so the jump this time to RDNA4 for the same class of card should be bigger to stop the naming scheme being redundant. Also I would expect the top of the stack to at least match the top of the stack from previous gen. They said they weren't doing enthusiast class this gen, not that there would be no high end cards. The 7900 XTX being their expensive enthusiast card being replaced for the next gen by the high end 8800XT being able to match it's perf would have fit quite nicely. But it sounds like RDNA4 is a bit of a let down, perhaps why they're going with the stupid new 9070 naming scheme. I hope UDNA isn't a disappointment like this will probably be.

DahitaThey would bother with it to gain market shares and make more money. That's the concept of running a business.

Now, how on earth would a 7900GRE with 5% more perf at $500 be "an amazing deal" when the 4070 SUPER has been available at this price and in this area of performance for 6 months now? What's next, a 9080XTX at $1100 with the perfs of a 4080 SUPER?!

Because most 4070 super models go for $650 or more, so the geomean price has always been $650. The new 5070 is likely going to be 10% faster than the current 4070 super, but at $700 or higher price. The only Nvidia card you are getting at $500 will be the 5060TI.

So you'd essentially be getting 4070 super performance for $100 less with full 16GB of vram so it has longevity beyond its first year of purchase. If the PS5 pro RT performance is anything to go by, then RT performance will be up to 2.5x times of the current GRE model.

4070 super prices in Europe are way worse, cheapest ones are 700 euros, that is essentially $750 us dollars for a mid range GPU. So you have a $750 4070 super in Europe competing against a $550 RX9070, that is $200 price difference for a mid range card.

Bomby569Most people don't like all in one products. Their quality, price vs performance, up-gradability is shit, you only buy them once.
It's not a forum problem.

Most people, well actually 95% of all PC purchases are prebuilt, so consumers LOVE, absolutely LOVE and ADORE those types of deals! Only high end DIY users don't like those deals and they all buy Nvidia anyways!

So AMD should just ignore all of those consumers, because they won't spend a dime on AMD GPU's and focus on all of the rest, which is literally 95% of consumers.

Your average PC buyer in Malaysia, Morocco, Holland, Brazil, Cambodia, Romania, Uzbekistan, etc... doesn't buy DIY, the most they'll buy is maybe a new pair of ram sticks, but that's about it. They all buy prebuilt computers. So AMD should focus on that, prebuilt, combos, deals, etc...

In fact the biggest market for CPU's and GPU's is the $200-300 market by far, this is literally where 50% of all purchases are made!

KritTimespy leak shows that RX 9070 XT is only 14% faster than RX 7800 XT not 20%!!! That's more like cpu gen gain than gpu!

And in games the 7900XT is 30% faster than the 7800XT, in real life the 4070ti super is over 30% faster over the 7800XT and even the GRE in some games. So in actual games based on this bench the 9070XT should be 20% faster than the 7800XT.

tfdsafBecause most 4070 super models go for $650 or more, so the geomean price has always been $650. The new 5070 is likely going to be 10% faster than the current 4070 super, but at $700 or higher price. The only Nvidia card you are getting at $500 will be the 5060TI.

So you'd essentially be getting 4070 super performance for $100 less with full 16GB of vram so it has longevity beyond its first year of purchase. If the PS5 pro RT performance is anything to go by, then RT performance will be up to 2.5x times of the current GRE model.

4070 super prices in Europe are way worse, cheapest ones are 700 euros, that is essentially $750 us dollars for a mid range GPU. So you have a $750 4070 super in Europe competing against a $550 RX9070, that is $200 price difference for a mid range card.


Most people, well actually 95% of all PC purchases are prebuilt, so consumers LOVE, absolutely LOVE and ADORE those types of deals! Only high end DIY users don't like those deals and they all buy Nvidia anyways!

So AMD should just ignore all of those consumers, because they won't spend a dime on AMD GPU's and focus on all of the rest, which is literally 95% of consumers.

Your average PC buyer in Malaysia, Morocco, Holland, Brazil, Cambodia, Romania, Uzbekistan, etc... doesn't buy DIY, the most they'll buy is maybe a new pair of ram sticks, but that's about it. They all buy prebuilt computers. So AMD should focus on that, prebuilt, combos, deals, etc...

In fact the biggest market for CPU's and GPU's is the $200-300 market by far, this is literally where 50% of all purchases are made!


And in games the 7900XT is 30% faster than the 7800XT, in real life the 4070ti super is over 30% faster over the 7800XT and even the GRE in some games. So in actual games based on this bench the 9070XT should be 20% faster than the 7800XT.

They don't go for $650, you can buy a 4070 SUPER right now on newegg for $599.

So getting $100 less on a one year old card with +4Gb is nice, but that's not really the deal of the century to me.

ArkzBecause its a generation newer and supposedly the 8800 XT? The jump between 6800 XT and 7800XT wasn't very big, so the jump this time to RDNA4 for the same class of card should be bigger to stop the naming scheme being redundant. Also I would expect the top of the stack to at least match the top of the stack from previous gen. They said they weren't doing enthusiast class this gen, not that there would be no high end cards. The 7900 XTX being their expensive enthusiast card being replaced for the next gen by the high end 8800XT being able to match it's perf would have fit quite nicely. But it sounds like RDNA4 is a bit of a let down, perhaps why they're going with the stupid new 9070 naming scheme. I hope UDNA isn't a disappointment like this will probably be.

I'm really hoping the 9070XT is competitive in other ways. if its not, I'm gonna be extremely worried. If were correct then RDNA4 is just a bugfix per say with better RT over RDNA 3, they'll have to be compeitive in price or something atleast. If its not its DoA imo among regular consumers (and most definitely for me.) Also this new naming scheme sucks balls.

Wait a second. Doesn't the **7* indicate that it will be a direct RX 7700 XT successor?

If yes, then the right price would be $399 at launch, $349 after a month, and $299 after March 2025.

hope that card is 500 max

DahitaThey don't go for $650, you can buy a 4070 SUPER right now on newegg for $599.

So getting $100 less on a one year old card with +4Gb is nice, but that's not really the deal of the century to me.

The cheapest one at newegg with its new years and Christmas pricing is $630. Its always sold for $650, these very short holiday price reductions are just that, but even at $630 that would be $130 less for what is essentially 5% more performance! Plus you are getting more vram and Nvidia's 5070 will cost over $700! I mean would Nvidia's 5070 at 12gb Vram at $700 or more be a better option?

The other problem I see is I believe we're slowly shifting to a 1440p standard. If this card is the equivalent of a 4070 SUPER, then it falls short in that category,

tfdsafThe cheapest one at newegg with its new years and Christmas pricing is $630. Its always sold for $650, these very short holiday price reductions are just that, but even at $630 that would be $130 less for what is essentially 5% more performance! Plus you are getting more vram and Nvidia's 5070 will cost over $700! I mean would Nvidia's 5070 at 12gb Vram at $700 or more be a better option?

Dude... There's always been a SUPER available at $599, it has nothing to do with Xmas and NY.We go back to what I just said. $100 less (supposedly) for +5% perf is not the deal of the century. It would MERELY be a normal generational upgrade after these card has been on the market for a year. That's assuming FSR4 looks good and works well too.

Anything less would not be worth releasing.

Dawora...

By looking spects its mid range Gpu
Nothing else
Just like Amd also told, no high ends coming.

it is what it is

Still doesn't change the fact its an unreleased product & there is no real world data to back up its performance yet.

AcEIf true, not surprised. It's still a midrange card then, could be it lost a lot of additional raster performance due to having proper RT cores, those cores take space. In the end it could be a ~7800 XT with way better RT performance, this is like what I expect worst case. Wouldn't be a bad card, there are only bad prices, so the pricing decides if it's good or not.

In the end, this would be like a much more balanced 7800 XT, the raster and RT performance shouldn't be too much apart.

lMAO. The 7900xtx is a midrange card compared to Nvidia. This will be lucky to compete with 5060

What a bummer!

So AMDs next Gen mid-tier upgrade falls short of NVIDIAs current Gen 4070 SUPER/TiS - ouch! :banghead:

Thats way too much leverage for NVIDIA's 50-series mid-range cards. This isn’t going to be pretty. I can hear the evil laughter of the green suits in their boardroom all the way here in the UK (and its bloody 3am)

What is surprising here. It's well know fact, AMD will not be fighting at the high end. The author didn't do the research and is writing nonsense.

Hecate91It seems like people are ok with stupid prices from Nvidia, but not from any other company. The only pricing competition I would expect is between AMD and Intel.

Why do you care about Nvidia’s prices and who pays them? You obviously aren’t a customer, so why do you care?

Do you spend a lot of time complaining about the prices of things other people buy?

3valatzyWait a second. Doesn't the **7* indicate that it will be a direct RX 7700 XT successor?

If yes, then the right price would be $399 at launch, $349 after a month, and $299 after March 2025.

JFC! Would you guys look at the leak you’re spending pages posting fantasy prices about? The leak says Navi 48 is $649.