valentyn0Nah, that's just pure copium.

HisDivineOrderSo the 5080 really is just a 4080 Super Duper with Updated Framegen with no price increase.

Nvidia swears they can't add more raster because it's too hard, but not adding any raster improvement per watt is pretty silly because it lays bare the whole con. They're updating the AI hardware, not the graphics engine, and they're desperate to convince everyone that they had to do it. They couldn't be expected to improve raster meaningfully. It was just impossible.

They could. They just didn't and they didn't because they're an AI company now and not a graphics company.

JustBenchingColor me surprised

valentyn0Nah, that's just pure copium.

oxrufiioxoThis is the first time I can remember an 80 class Nvidia card not matching or beating the previous flagship even the weak RTX 2080 at least came out slightly ahead of the 1080ti.

#progress



It's sad even though they could only do so much with the 5090 without making it 800mm2 they could have done more with every card below it a 1200 usd 4090 like card would have been fine maybe they don't want it all that close to their precious 90 class anymore.

Hopefully reviews are better than expected but I'm not holding my breath.

remekraThey have no incentive to do so. They are turning into Intel when AMD forgot how to make good CPUs, too bad for now AMD forgot about GPUs this time. That and AI craze.

Let's hope that next gen we will see competition from top to bottom.

oxrufiioxoI totally get that but if AMD wanted to they could for sure kill the 5080 by just making a monolithic RDNA4 card the size of the 7900XTX and they aren't even that competent in my book...

I guarantee you AMD is kicking themselves right now.

AnarchoPrimitivI said it a week ago and I'll say it again: This generation is a software update

TheEndIsNearI've been saying this for a while. They've hit a wall of physics. Generational jumps in performance are done until they find something else or some material or something. Making it the same way I don't see much improvement.

NanochipThe lack of competent Radeon competition is strong in these Blackwell prices/performance improvements.

until/unless AMD competes in the high end, this is what to expect. Higher prices, lesser performance uplifts (vs the predecessor).

ZoneDymoI mean yeah? obviously it was going to be

Sound_CardNo, I'm sorry, but just no. Consumers and consumers alone are responsible for the prices of graphics cards. They would not charge these prices if people were not willing to pay for them, and clearly, they are willing to pay for them. Unfortunately, 700, 800, 900 1k and up graphics cards are absolutely essential in their lives, and they don't hesitate to buy them, and from what I have seen ... with money they don't have. This is why I got a laptop a few years ago instead of buying a desktop, because they are actually somewhat immune to the insane price gauging in the discrete.

FamousFighterI hope it can at least match the 4090 at the time of release.

remekraThey are turning into Intel when AMD forgot how to make good CPUs, too bad for now AMD forgot about GPUs this time.

KritFinally someone tells 100% truth it's a shame that there are so few people with this mindset. Most people can't see beyond their noses...

Sound_CardMy last graphics chip was a HD 6950 for $300 brand new. Great bang for buck and was near top of the line for both AMD and Nvidia. Lasted me 11 years and still works. I don't expect people to go that long on a graphics card, but when I see people go from a 3080 to a 4080, or a 3090 to a 4090 to a 5090, I can't help but laugh. What a waste.

Sound_CardNext generation will be 4 fake frames.

Sometimes I wonder if Crossfire/SLI will come back because of the wall. Wasn't multi GPU support being put in the next direct X?

Macro DeviceNot even remotely the case. 5090 @ 170 SMs doesn't beat 4090 by 50% in a single game. 5080 @ 84 SMs would need astronomical core clock to even become close to 4090. It's going to be 20% faster than a plain 4080 in the most 5080-favouring scenarios with an average advantage hovering around 10%. Full stop.