TumbleGeorgeThere is no way we can understand each other in this case. I give a fact about something that happened, you give me an assumption about what would happen if, according to the legend of how things are in China created by propaganda from the Western world. This is the main reason why many are surprised why in China there is such a huge technological progress and increase in the standard of living despite all the sanctions. Some explain it by stealing knowledge, do you know why, because the Western man, the capitalist, is a thief by nature and cannot explain it in any other way. And the explanation is very simple. Mass education and in general all education in China is significantly better and much more accessible than the expensive universities in the Western world, which are unattainable financially and which keep quality education for those who can pay, instead of giving it to everyone. This creates a much larger number of highly educated and capable people than education in the West.

phanbueyYour fact about something that happened and the fact that they block and censor information about tianamen square are both true. There would have been no Deepseek if there was no ChatGPT, so not sure where your soap box of nonesense comes from. The majority of China is still extremely poor and underdeveloped - if they had a better government and system they would be much farther ahead. As an ex recipient of this 'excellent and free' education in the USSR - I totally disagree with your assessment.

One thing is for sure. Deeply ideological people will take one small win and parade it around like it's proof they have been superior the whole time, ignoring all other facts.