Saturday, February 1st 2025

Edward Snowden Lashes Out at NVIDIA Over GeForce RTX 50 Pricing And Value

It's not every day that we witness a famous NSA whistleblower voice their disappointment over modern gaming hardware. Edward Snowden, who likely needs no introduction, did not bother to hold back his disapproval of NVIDIA's recently launched RTX 5090, RTX 5080, and RTX 5070 gaming GPUs. The reviews for the RTX 5090 have been mostly positive, although the same cannot be said for its affordable sibling, the RTX 5080. Snowden, voicing his thoughts on Twitter, claimed that NVIDIA is selling "F-tier value for S-tier prices".

Needless to say, there is no doubt that the RTX 5090's pricing is quite exorbitant, regardless of how anyone puts it. Snowden was particularly displeased with the amount of VRAM on offer, which is also hard to argue against. The RTX 5080 ships with "only" 16 GB of VRAM, whereas Snowden believes that it should have shipped with at least 24, or even 32 GB. He further adds that the RTX 5090, which ships with a whopping 32 GB of VRAM, should have been available with a 48 GB variant. As for the RTX 5070, the security consultant expressed desire for at least 16 GB of VRAM (instead of 12 GB).
But that is not all that Snowden had to say. He equated selling $1000+ GPUs with 16 GB VRAM to a "monopolistic crime against consumers," further accusing NVIDIA of "endless next-quarter" thinking. This is debatable, considering that NVIDIA is a publicly traded company, and whether they stay afloat does boil down to their quarterly results, whether we like it or not. There is no denying that NVIDIA is in desperate need of some true competition in the high-end segment, which appears to be the only way to get the Green Camp to price their hardware appropriately. AMD's UDNA GPUs are likely set to do just that in a year or two. The rest, of course, remains to be seen.
Source: @Snowden
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148 Comments on Edward Snowden Lashes Out at NVIDIA Over GeForce RTX 50 Pricing And Value

#1
Metroid
Only idiots are buying these new nvidia gpus for use, most are buying to resell to idiots that have more money than sense and I believe AMD will be the same, another failure overpriced GPUS.
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#2
freeagent
At least someone is being vocal about it. Not just crying about prices on forums.
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#4
Scircura
I was confused for a minute, wondering if Snowden was simply pissed because he couldn't enable path tracing on the new Indiana Jones game. But I think his angle is that people should be empowered to run high quality AI models locally to protect their privacy from OpenAI and the cloud hyperscalers.
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#5
AusWolf
freeagentAt least someone is being vocal about it. Not just crying about prices on forums.
The only difference between being vocal and crying on a forum is the number of people who know you.
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#6
Zazigalka
Yeah, both the performance and the vram buffer make it a questionable choice at +1000eur, to say the least.
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#7
thesmokingman
How bad is it that even Snowden is chiming in? :laugh:
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#8
Jack1n
He should ask russia or china to make better GPU's for him.
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#9
Vayra86
This.

Put your money where your mouth is, people. If you don't like the deal, don't deal with it.
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#10
N/A
in retrospection
2014 GTX 980 398 mm² 549 USD 4 GB
RTX 5080 378 mm² 999 USD 16 GB

What are you complaining about 5080 is 7x faster and provides 4x more memory for 2x the price. 24 Gbit 3GB chips can't be released soon enough.

You have to factor in inflation. the cost of living has increased.

Nvidia provides interesting times to live in and gets all of this whining in return.
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#11
Icon Charlie
I'll put this here as I agree with the commenter.

This is not a launch. This is paperware.
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#12
ThomasK
N/ANvidia provides interesting times to live in and gets all of this whining in return.
Says who? A beloved fanboy, that's who.
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#13
Vayra86
N/ANvidia provides interesting times to live in
LOL WUT? Oh man you're in deep aren't you :D

Real interesting yeah, all these non gaming features we never asked for, that cause GPU pricing to increase YoY
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#14
freeagent
The cool part about all of this is that no one has to buy anything. There are other hobbies that are a lot more fun..

On the internet a nice computer gets you bragging rights, irl it means nothing to anyone but you.
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#15
agent_x007
N/Ain retrospection
2014 GTX 980 398 mm² 549 USD 4 GB
RTX 5080 378 mm² 999 USD 16 GB

What are you complaining about 5080 is 7x faster and provides 4x more memory for 2x the price. 24 Gbit 3GB chips can't be released soon enough.

You have to factor in inflation. the cost of living has increased.

Nvidia provides interesting times to live in and gets all of this whining in return.
Make max. 250W TDP GPUs, and cost of cooler and VRM/PCB components should be reduced substantially lowering end price.
Sure performance overall will be lower, but at this point, we are forced to buy GPUs that kill themselves due to cracking/deforming PCBs (from excessive weight and bad mechanical tie-ins/reinforcement) or overheated memory solder joints in 3-5 years time.
I prefer longer lasting GPUs with slower performance, over what apparently everyone else wants.

NV can make current GPUs cheaper, they don't because people buy them regardless of price.
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#16
Patriot
Then you have the 5070 class gpu with 12 arm cores and 128gb of shared memory for 3k... under jetson digits.
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#17
Jtuck9
N/ANvidia provides interesting times to live in and gets all of this whining in return.
Show me an uninteresting time to live in
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#18
Hecate91
He's not wrong, and the 5080 we got should have been a 5070ti at best. Even just looking at a 5080 board it looks like it should be a $700 GPU with a midrange size die.
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#19
Dristun
Definitely logged on Avito (Russian craiglist) and saw 5090s for $4000+, haha. State pension from our government probably not that great!
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#20
Jtuck9
Hecate91He's not wrong, and the 5080 we got should have been a 5070ti at best. Even just looking at a 5080 board it looks like it should be a $700 GPU with a midrange size die.
I've read that people are disappointed that a 5080 doesn't outperform a 4090. I'm not sure how reasonable or feasible an expectation that was? Hence the shift of emphasis toward DLSS4 perhaps?
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#21
AusWolf
freeagentThe cool part about all of this is that no one has to buy anything. There are other hobbies that are a lot more fun..
Or great games that don't need a ton of horsepower. I just finished The Talos Principle on a 6500 XT (I also have a 6750 XT, but I thought why the heck not).
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#22
Jtuck9
AusWolfOr great games that don't need a ton of horsepower. I just finished The Talos Principle on a 6500 XT (I also have a 6750 XT, but I thought why the heck not).
Haha, I think the game I'm looking forward to most is that new Underrail game
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#23
Patriot
Jtuck9I've read that people are disappointed that a 5080 doesn't outperform a 4090. I'm not sure how reasonable or feasible an expectation that was? Hence the shift of emphasis toward DLSS4 perhaps?
It comes down to the keynote, last few gens Leather jacket getse up and says... because of our new features the new xx70 beats the xx90 of last gen.
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#24
AusWolf
Jtuck9I've read that people are disappointed that a 5080 doesn't outperform a 4090. I'm not sure how reasonable or feasible an expectation that was?
Considering that midrange GPUs have historically been at, or above previous gen high-end in performance, I'd say very reasonable.

Personally, I would have expected it to be either a lot faster, or a bit cheaper than the 4080 Super, which it is neither.
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#25
Patriot
For the same reason the rdna4 rumors are silly... going to be flagship gpus for $500... its laughable, if it performs like the competitors 1k card its going to be priced like it.
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