Bomby569at this point i just don't care anymore, i think i will give up on this madness and drain my 306ti for a couple more years

b1k3rdudeWelp, im just waiting for the inevitable sh!tshow when users try to use MFG on a 60 series card. The base FPS will so low that will make anything more than regular FG unplayable even in SP games.

Its already been shown that 8gb isnt enough for just basic raster in most games. So when users enable RT, it will use more VRAM than the card has, which will cripple FPS. Then these nvidia-gaslit users will enable MFG to try and claw some of FPS back, but then the base FPS will be so low (eg 30 or less) that the lag will be so bad as you have 100-200ms lag on your mouse movements. If the current nGreedia-upsell-trend continues, the 5060 will actually be a 5050 like the 4060 was a 4050.

But as otters in this thier thread have reminded me, thats why we have the B570/580 and the soom to be released 9070. There is zero reason to buy anything lower than the 5070 from nvidia. I sincerly hope the 5000 generation bites nGreedia in the only thing they understand, their bottom line.

RuruThis kinda started already on the 30 series; 3060 had 12GB, 3060 Ti and 3070 had 8GB and the initial 3080 had 10GB.

Knight47I know nvidia was kinda late release it, but there was a RTX2060 12GB, while even the 2080 Super only had 8GB and TI had 11GB.

_roman_Come on.

I still use the same screen WHQD + freesync ASUS PA278QV.

I bought in the first days Radeon 6600XT. The gpu mining days were expensive. This was with 5800X + 2x32 GiB DDR4 RAM.

I switched the processor to something which is basically a sidegrade Ryzen 7600X. (I mention that because the sold am4 platform and my current am5 platform are very close - so it is not really a apple to banana comparision. of course the am5 platform used windows 23h2 - now 24h2. the am4 platform used windows 10. the operating system changes)

The more VRAM I could see in variuos free games with the radeon 6800 non xt. That card was one of the last cards of the product cycle. VRAM matters - even for the free epic games giveaway games - I most of the time play and enjoy.

I'm kinda happy with the Powercolor 7800XT hellhound. (the point why I wrote this hole text wall - 7800XT)
Raytracing is a nonsense feature. Hardly any of my games support it. Except those free trash games amd gave away. Avatar pandora / the last of us / star wars jedi survivor. (I never bought a steam game - ubisoft - ea game. My last game purchase was in the old days with a worm media.)

Why do you want raytracing with an entry level graphic card? The nivida 3070 was too weak / radeon 6800 non xt / 7800xt are too weak.

If you want raytracing you should buy at least 7900XT or go higher.

RT = raytracing is just the killer argument. I do not see a difference or any improvement with raytracing. I always see the same technical demonstration software to show the work in progress.(tech demo in short) For entry level gaming a 7800XT is far decent card. It's expensive card, but mine is at least quiet.

The cards above are for those who are willing to buy twice as much for a graphic card.

It was already hard to justify to buy a graphic card which cost as much as my mainboard + cpu bundle and the expensive dram 2x32GiB DDR5 .

I also believe these higher end graphic cards take more than the 220Watts I see. Of course you have "up to" double the frames with "up to" 450 Watts or 670 Watts for a graphic card.
the idle consumption of ~47 Watts (please check the video yourself - not sure if it was 40 or 47 -- much too high as my ~7-16 Watts in idle) according to the gamers nexus video for the Nividia 5090 is another flaw. I trust them more because they measure with checked equipment any power going in a graphic card.

-- That VRAM topic is also over. Keep staying in your 8GiB of 12GiB VRAM bubble if you want to. I saw clear difference in certain games from the 6600XT 8GB going to the 6800 non XT 16GB card with certain games. I play the older games from epic games and such. With recent games I most likely would not use a 7800XT, but something much better. I want to see how your 8GB card does in WHQD in AVATAR Pandora. That game is demanding and was a free "trash" amd giveaway game. Buggy quests and such. My statement is only valid for AMD graphic cards. I tested a 4GB nvidia card for the driver quality in 2023. Intel is not really worth considering in my point of view.

The reason I bought the 7800xt hellhound was the low noise in various tests. MSI radeon 6800 z trio / asrock challenger 6600XT 8GB D were far too loud in my point of view. One of many reason why these cards had to go to the second hand market.

edit: the buyer should be aware of - he limits himself to certain games - certain frame rates - certain display resolution - certain game settings when buying a 8GB VRAM card. I would not call a 16GB card future proof but acceptable for games made up to the year ~2021 (feel free to determine the year limit yourself).

Onyx TurbineWell priced blue alternative

PaddieMayneHere's how I see it...

Right product placement:
5050 - 8GB
5060 - 12GB
5060 Ti - 16GB
5070 - 16GB
5070 Ti - 20GB
5080 - 24GB
5090 - 32GB

• Radeon RX 7600 - 8GB (Should have been 12, and it should have been full PCIe@16x)
• Radeon RX 7600 XT - 16GB (Dont get why this was 16, but it should have been full PCIe@16x)
• Radeon RX 7700 XT - 12GB - (should have been 16)
• Radeon RX 7800 XT - 16GB
• Radeon RX 7900 GRE - 16GB (should have been 20)
• Radeon RX 7900 XT - 20GB
• Radeon RX 7900 XTX - 24GB