WhiteLotusand how many users know that?

WhiteLotusso does your mum know how to access the internet without a browser? or your grandfather? you know the kind of people that aren't nerds and like things to just work.

mdm-adphLast time I checked, Safari didn't depend upon half as many proprietary technologies as IE does. ;)

And maybe it's just personal experiences, but every single mac user I know (including myself) uses Firefox for 99% of browsing -- Safari's rendering engine can be quite funny when it wants to be.



I still fail to see what's so necessary about IE that even Windows Messenger would need to use it to show web content whenever someone clicks on a link.

And the "big deal?" The "big deal" is that it's anti-competitive. And that's a pretty big deal, if you ask me.

mdm-adphNone of those people you mention use the internet in my family. :roll:

And please, if you're going to call me a nerd, just come out and say it. Don't be subliminal about it. :p

btarunrYeah right...it's like people throwing stones at Ford Motors for using a music-system made by Sony in their cars...hey we need the right to use a Blaupunkt stereo. Point is...the manufacturer has the right to use whichever component he wants when building a product. If the consumer has a problem with that, nobody is stopping him from using an available alternative.

btarunrIf people are ignorant about Opera and Firefox's existance, IE is not to blame, the consumer's ignorance is. Why doesn't Mozilla piss and moan about the whole issue the way Opera does? because Mozilla is proactive it felt that a large scale effort like the Spread Firefox campaign would bear fruit and it did. Opera's failure has nobody to blame BUT OPERA. Opera browser sucks.

WhiteLotusi was just referring to a the general conception that people think when they come across a tech forum.

and so if none of those family member use the internet, then it is because they don't know how to/don't want to. therefore they most likely wont know how to access the internet without a browser, yet as you said in above post, can still apply emergency brake if they are in a pickle and yet they can still go on a computer.

mdm-adphBah -- forgive me for my silliness. Though I seriously doubt if my mother has been doing any drift racing recently, if you catch my drift.

WhiteLotusno worries dude i was just in the mood to be right

:):laugh::)

mdm-adphwell, we'll call it 50/50 since my mother can't drive.

xfireThere needs to be something like IE uninstaller. Not all linux distro's come with Firefox Puppy linux comes with Sea Monkey, KDE comes with Konqurer and so on.
Now in my dad's office there are pretty old comp's which don't access the net. Now I wanted to remove IE but it doesn't get uninstalled.
Then there is windows messenger, It isn't used by anyone in my house but it can't be uninstalled.
I would have shifted to linux a long time back but no one listens.

btarunrI hate Opera. MS has a right to bundle any browser it wants with its OS just as Apple bundles Safari and the thousands of Linux distributors choose between Firefox, Konqeror and Opera. Even if Opera wins this case nobody's going to use the crap of a browser that Opera is anyway. It's not a crime selling people what you want to. My computer doesn't blow up when I use IE, just that it sucks when I use Opera.

xfireNice an other browser war.
@btarunr The softwares you mentioned have to use that why? because I.E is there by default and any other way they would have to bundle that respective software breaking the lisencing and all.

btarunr^ MS can't sue Ubuntu, there's no Ubuntu version of the MSIE. The valid example would be: Why doesn't Opera sue Apple for including the Safari browser? Opera makes a browser for Mac OSX too.

@xfire

No you can't bundle an uninstaller for MSIE because countless applications for Windows (including those not made by MS) explicitly depend on IEframe eg: Real Player, Winamp, Steam, Y! Messenger, etc. Such applications use MSIE to render web-pages within the app window and the use of ieframe.dll is included into their code by their respective developers. Such apps will not function if IE is removed.