i don't think that's right. How do you get just 16fps in a game that was made 4 years ago. I got better than that with x1950 and 4200+ x2.

Wow that might actually give a nice boost in performance in Hybrid CrossfireX, on something like a HD3650.

CrackerJacki don't think that's right. How do you get just 16fps in a game that was made 4 years ago. I got better than that with x1950 and 4200+ x2.

Na thats no lies. On my G33, I can't play CSS on LOW settings with pixels @ 640x480..

Also, an x1950 pro is loads better than any IGP. (Any dedicated card is normally better than IGP)

This 780G is the best chipset if you build a fully integrated PC :)

With cards way below $100 that can crush any IGP, I don't really think gaming performance is really important on an IGP.

A ability to add a descrete GPU in crossfire with the IGP is nice, but with it only supporting the 3400 and 2400 series, it is useless to enthususts like the users of this site. A common user might find it more useful. Perhaps if ATi allows it to be used with higher end descrete GPUs it would be nice, but how much of a performance boost is it really going to give when paired with a 3870?

It would be nice to be able to use the IGP for something like AA. Where the IGP does nothing but applying 2x or 4x AA, so when used with a descrete GPU you get essentially a free 4x AA.

Edit: I'd also like to see the performance on the same system with the just 3450. How much does the IGP really help it? And how does it compete with nVidia's offerings? Intel's offering have always been behind ATi and nVidia, Intel always gives performance that is just good enough.

PinchyWow that might actually give a nice boost in performance in Hybrid CrossfireX, on something like a HD3650.




Na thats no lies. On my G33, I can't play CSS on LOW settings with pixels @ 640x480..

Also, an x1950 pro is loads better than any IGP. (Any dedicated card is normally better than IGP)

oh that was just igp, well that changes things lol

newtekie1With cards way below $100 that can crush any IGP, I don't really think gaming performance is really important on an IGP.

A ability to add a descrete GPU in crossfire with the IGP is nice, but with it only supporting the 3400 and 2400 series, it is useless to enthususts like the users of this site. A common user might find it more useful. Perhaps if ATi allows it to be used with higher end descrete GPUs it would be nice, but how much of a performance boost is it really going to give when paired with a 3870?

It would be nice to be able to use the IGP for something like AA. Where the IGP does nothing but applying 2x or 4x AA, so when used with a descrete GPU you get essentially a free 4x AA.

Edit: I'd also like to see the performance on the same system with the just 3450. How much does the IGP really help it? And how does it compete with nVidia's offerings? Intel's offering have always been behind ATi and nVidia, Intel always gives performance that is just good enough.

there are several threads on XS that show comparos between them

Well I cant check it at work, but are they saying they are winning? No surprise there given Intel doesnt exacly "own" a discrete graphics company.

its probably where the mass market money is but somehow i cant get excited about integrated grafix of any kind.. :)

i am using integrated sounds thow..

trog

All intel really needs to do is make the same comparison with the Cpus and pretty much silence Amd because it's the CPU that sells not on board graphics, AMD needs to cut prices or bring out more competitive cpus.

WarEagleAUWell I cant check it at work, but are they saying they are winning? No surprise there given Intel doesnt exacly "own" a discrete graphics company.

whether or not intel owns a discrete graphics company...they have been in the graphics depo for a while...if you buy a laptop even desktop if the graphics does not say nvidia or ati..it is usually intel...i believe the last igp was the x3100...

WarEagleAUWell I cant check it at work, but are they saying they are winning? No surprise there given Intel doesnt exacly "own" a discrete graphics company.

whether or not intel owns a discrete graphics company...they have been in the graphics depo for a while...if you buy a laptop even desktop if the graphics does not say nvidia or ati..it is usually intel...i believe the last igp was the x3100...

I think this video was on TPU's front page months ago.

or maybe it was engadget.

intel is planing to put gpu and cpu on 1 die
Nehalem, havendale/auburndale wil be the first cpu's that uses this

AMD Has been planning that too. And if Im not mistaken, hasnt Nehalem come out already or is that another code name that is out? The q9650 and such.

And I know theyve been knee deep in it, but its not a super specialty of theirs, like AMD has ATI to do graphics.

no nehalem wil be released end this year as bloomfield and its server version

newtekie1With cards way below $100 that can crush any IGP, I don't really think gaming performance is really important on an IGP.

It would help on a cheap laptop :)

Glad I went with AMD for my HTPC build! Im lovin my 780G+HD3200 :D Just watched I Am Legend on it :)

PinchyIt would help on a cheap laptop :)

I didn't know they were putting the 780G in laptops.

Moar awesomear for ATI. Intel integrated sucks, I have a few machines I built with and now put in cards to allow moar bettar and faster Adobe lockups :p. But seriously that is good for a integrated core, specially for lappies where graphics have always been sub par for doing anything.

Well this is my honest opinion. Remember the E2160 + G35 is slower than the 4850X2 LE + 780G, and costs more as well! Not everyone wants a discrete GPU. $50 Can mean a lot for OEM systems moreover.

HOWEVER. This is old news.

newtekie1I didn't know they were putting the 780G in laptops.

Me neither...but thats not the point. The point is the technology is there, so it is possible now ;). Currently its at least like $100-150 over here for an 8400M over onboard graphics in a laptop.

Well AMD Does make cool running chips so it wouldnt be hard for a 780G + 4850LE in a lappy.

springs113whether or not intel owns a discrete graphics company...they have been in the graphics depo for a while...if you buy a laptop even desktop if the graphics does not say nvidia or ati..it is usually intel...i believe the last igp was the x3100...

i have that on my mini 2.0 rig :) it actually does everything not gaming just fine... its even advertised as handling 1080p bluray media with low-end CPU's (such as the E21x0 line)

is the e2140 considered low end when its at like 3ghz?

mrhugglesis the e2140 considered low end when its at like 3ghz?

Midrange - due to the lower cache, that would roughly match a Conroe chip (4MB cache) at 2.4-2.6GHz.